Intrepid Class Starship

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  • toiva
    toiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    kamipoi wrote: »
    im just offended about the whole darned thing. im an intrepid lover always have been.

    traits ok.

    console layout will be fixed during fleet t6.

    bridge layout well this is where you lost me why isn't it the lt commander science that's the intel?
    makes no since to me that a science ships toting a engineer intelligence officer instead of a science.

    It's quite simple. All Tier 6 non-intel ships have only a Lieutenant intel Boff station. That has the lovely consequence that there's only 1 ship on KDF and ROM side that can use all intel abilities, versus 3 on FED side.
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  • ddesjardins
    ddesjardins Member Posts: 3,055 Media Corps
    edited November 2014
    toiva wrote: »
    It's quite simple. All Tier 6 non-intel ships have only a Lieutenant intel Boff station. That has the lovely consequence that there's only 1 ship on KDF and ROM side that can use all intel abilities, versus 3 on FED side.

    Or more aptly:

    Feds get 4 ship mastery traits. romulans and kdf get 2.

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  • reyan01
    reyan01 Member Posts: 15,511 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    odyssey47 wrote: »
    The blog now says there's a $5 discount from Thursday til Monday on any of the Pathfinder purchases. This will help compensate for anyone that spent money to upgrade their tier 5 Intrepid.

    Also, for anyone who didn't know, there is a unique skin for this new release. There doesn't appear to be an image of it in the blog.

    http://thomasthecat.tumblr.com/post/102919753440/this-is-the-pathfinder-class-starship-i-designed

    Not terribly useful news when we don't know the overall price.

    Though they'll probably do the same as before (I.e with the T6 and T5u ships) and leave us to find out for ourselves when we log in post-patch.
  • kamipoi
    kamipoi Member Posts: 365 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    during discount well it will be 25 bucks for the ship itself and then pack is probably price of all ships combines -5-10bucks?


    30 normally so meh too much money for me to spend at this time even if i wanted it not that i do want it right now might wait till the fleet versions out to see if its worth it.
  • odyssey47
    odyssey47 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Not terribly useful news when we don't know the overall price.

    Though they'll probably do the same as before (I.e with the T6 and T5u ships) and leave us to find out for ourselves when we log in post-patch.

    Regardless of the price, if you buy it before Monday, you get a $5 discount, which is the price of an individual upgrade, if you buy the 4 pack anyway.
  • renarcene
    renarcene Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I want this. I rolled a Intrepid for years until the Vesta came out. If this rig could only equip cannons then I would finally have my warship Voyager...
    I like my Sci guy & I like my Sci ship & that's that.
  • rickpaaa
    rickpaaa Member Posts: 630 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I am currently flailing away to level the trait on the 2 tac console Scryer. A 3rd tactical console is huge, and will no doubt missed on this, like the other Intrepid varieties.

    In around a week I will have access to a fleet Intrepid. Could this version upgrade to a fleet version? I would snap this up then. Until them... meh.
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  • swatop
    swatop Member Posts: 566 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    another federation ship? really?
    when will the other factions get something?
  • adverbero
    adverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    odyssey47 wrote: »
    It was never stated to be anything on screen. Not any kind of cruiser or science ship.

    Which is hardly surprising since the only places I've seen it referred too as either a Science Ship or Light Cruiser are Star Trek Games, usually games that are stuffing the ship into a pigeon hole to suit trinity mechanics or classify it vs other larger cruisers

    Far as I could tell from actually watching Voyager it was presented as an intermediate sized Multi role starship, which is the standard concept of starfleet vessels.
    Considering it doesn't present any major departures from other starfleet vessels( compared to say the Defiant ) , And I can't recall it ever being stated to be a special purpose vessel I've always assumed it to be a What you see is what you get, an Intermediately sized Starship suited to carrying out whatever tasks starfleet fleet ops decides it need to do
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  • fourxgamer
    fourxgamer Member Posts: 245 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    If you're still here, playing and paying, you're what is called a "doormat".

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  • angrytarg
    angrytarg Member Posts: 10,811 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    adverbero wrote: »
    Which is hardly surprising since the only places I've seen it referred too as either a Science Ship or Light Cruiser are Star Trek Games, usually games that are stuffing the ship into a pigeon hole to suit trinity mechanics or classify it vs other larger cruisers

    Far as I could tell from actually watching Voyager it was presented as an intermediate sized Multi role starship, which is the standard concept of starfleet vessels.
    Considering it doesn't present any major departures from other starfleet vessels( compared to say the Defiant ) , And I can't recall it ever being stated to be a special purpose vessel I've always assumed it to be a What you see is what you get, an Intermediately sized Starship suited to carrying out whatever tasks starfleet fleet ops decides it need to do

    That's about right. From the unreleased TM:


    Page 7: The USS Voyager is the newes Federation starship. It is an Intrepid class vessel, one of the fastest and most powerful in the Starfleet. It continues the tradition of exploration and discovery established by Captain James Kirk on the USS Enterprise nearly a century ago. (...) The original mission of Voyager was primarily exploration and research, and it was superbly equipped for both. For those occasions when a show of military force is unavoidable, the ship is equipped with an impressive array of defensive and offensive weapons. (sic)

    Page 20: The mission of Voyager is exploration, science and diplomacy. It is not a warship, nor is Starfleet a military organization in the 20th century sense. Nevertheless, the galaxy is a big place, full of unknown - and occasionally hostile - life forms. For those times when Voyager must protect itself during the jounrey back to the Federation, the ship is fully equipped with both defensive and offensive weaponry. When provoked, Voyager is a formidable adversary. Additionally, Janeway's staff is fully trained in cultural sociology, strategy and crisis analysis, and they have at their disposal a powerful array of information-gathering sensors and computers. They know that their skills in these areas are often more important in the succesful resolution of a crisis than are advanced weaponry. (sic)

    EDIT: And on the matter of the ship itself, I'll just copypasta my response from another thread:

    I'm not mad that there is a T6 Intrepid, I mean we kinda knew that. I'm mad, though, that the devs said nothing, only gave us the usual PR redacted nonesense and let people spent for those now actually worthless T5U upgrade bovine TRIBBLE. Additionally, we got the notion that there will be no more canon designs in STO ever. This is a huge understatement at best and a flat out lie at worst and it's not the only one. Cryptic has absolutely no interest in improving customer relations here but I'm sure the next time the topic comes up a developer states again that they just want to be loved when they visit the forums and that's why they don't write anything. I'm sorry, but if you don't see why the practice you, Cryptic, show right now upsets people I don't know what else to say. I'm sure we all would like to have a good time on the forums and we are interested to read what goes on behind the scenes and we'd like to have a chat with you guys, but not like this.

    The T6 Intrepid thing is a major kick. And I don't even own an Intrepid, it's not that, believe me.
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  • lyanaar
    lyanaar Member Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I think this is more like a huge marketing fail...

    - the blog says Intrepid Class...while its a supposed to be the Pathfinder Class

    - not including any screenshots of the actual class...instead posting them on twitter

    - not explaining the actual differences to a normal/fleet Intrepid...like why it has more science consoles or the secondary deflector.


    For me it looks like the blog and the twitter post are from 2 people who only work for the same company...but otherwise do not communicate at all.
  • andorianblue
    andorianblue Member Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Does this mean other existing ships will be getting T6 versions? I'd love to see T6 versions of the Galaxy and Excelsior. Also, KDF and Romulans need more T6 ships.

    One more thing; would this be a bad time to ask about a T6 Constitution class? I know it'll probably never happen, but it won't stop me from asking about one.
  • angrytarg
    angrytarg Member Posts: 10,811 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    (...)

    TL/DR

    You got what you paid for, you should anticipate that a T6 Intrepid was coming out, just about all of us in the fleet were waiting for it, was pretty obvious seeing as how we knew already the bridge pack was going to be available.

    Those stupid car analogies don't work and need to stop. Seriously.

    And the disappointment of players I'd suspect don't originate in getting the upgrade for free, but in this case Cryptic did state two things: T5U will be almost as good and there will be no more canon designs released within STO. Both of it has been a lie and the topic on T6 canon ships has been a hot one in the forums since the first announcement (maybe even before) but they didn't react to it. At all. Instead, DR hits and they wait for everyone to buy the (int he Intrepid's case now completely useless) upgrade and then reveal there's a real T6 version shortly after upgrade sales spiked.

    That's just a kick. Not that I bought the ship four years ago and now I'm mad that I have to buy the T6 version again, it's not a good practice to not offer discounts for those players since we are not buying cars but non existant, virtual items that can be changed with a change in code - or removed frome xistance in an instant. But it's understandable. But the T5U upgrade debacle is not. That was just rude.
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • decronia
    decronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Well that was no suprise. Still not enough to get me out of my Vesta. Now I hope the next batch are hangar based ships for all sides.
  • e30ernest
    e30ernest Member Posts: 1,794 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Nice! I just upgraded my Intrepid Retrofit last week since I wanted to play DR in an Intrepid. :D

    Oh well...
  • angrytarg
    angrytarg Member Posts: 10,811 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    e30ernest wrote: »
    Nice! I just upgraded my Intrepid Retrofit last week since I wanted to play DR in an Intrepid. :D

    Oh well...

    Why only charge 30 bucks for a ship upgrade when you can charge 37, right? :D
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • mustrumridcully0
    mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,958 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Those stupid car analogies don't work and need to stop. Seriously.

    And the disappointment of players I'd suspect don't originate in getting the upgrade for free, but in this case Cryptic did state two things: T5U will be almost as good and there will be no more canon designs released within STO. Both of it has been a lie and the topic on T6 canon ships has been a hot one in the forums since the first announcement (maybe even before) but they didn't react to it. At all. Instead, DR hits and they wait for everyone to buy the (int he Intrepid's case now completely useless) upgrade and then reveal there's a real T6 version shortly after upgrade sales spiked.

    That's just a kick. Not that I bought the ship four years ago and now I'm mad that I have to buy the T6 version again, it's not a good practice to not offer discounts for those players since we are not buying cars but non existant, virtual items that can be changed with a change in code - or removed frome xistance in an instant. But it's understandable. But the T5U upgrade debacle is not. That was just rude.

    The whole Tier 5 Upgrade thing to me always looked completely superflous. Why add this in-between tier. But it has kinda some sort of use for Cryptic, aside the money-making:

    They knew they will eventually have to give us Tier 6 versions of hero ships at minimum. People already fought hard to get these ships into the game in the first place!
    But, they set on the following design parameters:
    - C-Store ships need a special console
    - C-Store ships need a skin not otherwise available. (Only exceptions may be the old retrofits, which are pre-F2P legacy)
    - Tier 6 ships need a Starship Mastery Trait.

    Since they can't create these things fast enough, they needed an interims solution, that still got players some of the perks of Tier 6 - scaling hit points and stuff lke that. And of course, they didn't want to complete invalidate those Tier 5 ships people bought in the belief that there'd never be another ship tier increase. But they still know they eventually need people to buy Tier 6 ships, or their F2P system breaks down, and they knew that non-canon ships probably always had lower sales than canon/hero ship sales, so just adding new non-canon designs wil just not fly.
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  • reyan01
    reyan01 Member Posts: 15,511 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I fully sympathise with you, I had exactly the same problem in real life:

    I grabbed the an X300 Jag as soon as I could afford it, beautiful car, although I never liked the square headlights. As soon as the X300 (XJ) with the round headlights came out I new I had to have it, cost me a fortune but man those headlights! Not long after that they go and introduce the X350, all aluminium bodyshell, lighter, more powerful, omg I had to have it.

    After driving the X350 around for a while I noticed the newer ones had got a much better Sat Nav inside than mine so of course I had to upgrade it to have mine with the same gear, cost me more money than I want to remember just for an upgrade!

    Eventually as my work life improved and I got more money I bought what was unbeknown to be the last X350 made, man oh man it was amazing, ah we had some great times together until...Jaguar introduced the XF without warning so now I am left with this useless piece of junk which isn't the latest spec.

    Well you can imagine my fury, I wrote to Jaguar demanding to have all my money back for all the different versions of the same car they had been releasing over my car driving lifetime. I was amazed to get a reply stating they would be happy to do that providing I took into account the amount of driving I had actually done in each vehicle based on a total cost of £1 per mile, which was for running costs and the Jag experience, seemed awesome to me, it's only a pound.

    So I started working it out, let's see, first X300 was 70,000 miles approx, second one was 45,000 miles, the X350 was 112,000 miles and the last X350 was 25,000 miles, totalled it up and it comes to 252,000, I had spent a total of £165,000, hmm seems I owe them £87,000, oh dear, wish I'd kept my mouth shut, I never thought to take into account all the actual driving I'd done in them, all the pleasure and convenience they had brought me.

    Still they were wrong for continually improving their vehicles, they should have stuck with the same car from day one, then I wouldn't have had to spend anything extra except a shed load of garage bills trying to keep the old gal on the road, oh and I guess Jaguar would have gone bankrupt as well.

    TL/DR

    You got what you paid for, you should anticipate that a T6 Intrepid was coming out, just about all of us in the fleet were waiting for it, was pretty obvious seeing as how we knew already the bridge pack was going to be available.

    Great anaology - and whilst I do agree in principle, I do think that one of, if not THE, primary reasons that some are so offended is:
    A: Short timeframe - T5-U hasn't been around for long. And I'm fairly certain that many of us who upgraded our T5/Fleet Intrepid's to T5-U wouldn't have bothered if we'd had CONFIRMATION of a T6 version.
    B: Although everyone assumed that this would happen, there was never an offical word on it and assumption does not equal conformation.

    And that's where the difference lays. Because in your car scenario, you would have at least KNOWN that a new model, or improvements to an existing model, were forthcoming.

    Because frankly, it's difficult not to picture, in the past few weeks, The Powers That Be snickerng to themselves and rubbing their hands greedily as Intrepid fans purchased tokens/token packs to upgrade their T5/Fleet Intrepid to T5-U, knowing (but not CONFIRMING) that a T6 version was very much in the pipeline.

    But let's face it, Cryptic's communication with regard to such things has been SEVERELY lacking lately. Pre-expansion, the information pertaining to the T6 ships and what the T5-U system would entail was sparse, and we didn't find out how much either would cost until we logged in after the expansion patch was finished.
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  • hawks3052
    hawks3052 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    And since I bought all the previous science ships will get those for free or will I ge ta refund for my T5 Science vesserl?
  • coupaholic
    coupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    You see, this is why I never, ever believe the hype.

    If I were you I wouldn't bother spending anything else until Fleet T6 comes along. Skip the fleet T5, the T5U and all that other junk and save your Zen. You'll only suffer more disappointment down the road otherwise.

    If this is any indication, I wouldn't be surprised if Fleet T6 comes along sooner than everyone thought. And if the content demands nothing less that T5U? Pick a ship that doesn't have a fleet version and likely won't get the T6 treatment.
  • n00b1001
    n00b1001 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    You know what would be cool. A Romulan D'Deridex at T6 (the vessel is huge, so retrofit would be no problem) with a working interior. So awesome, if Romulans could finally use the TNG and DS9 ship interior of a D'Deridex.
  • meimeitoo
    meimeitoo Member Posts: 12,395 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Only 2 Tact Consoles?! Really!? Even my Science Vesta has 3. :(
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  • tarastheslayer
    tarastheslayer Member Posts: 1,541 Bug Hunter
    edited November 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    1 word : money. A lot of it.

    Expect to see your favorite T5u revamped as T6 soon, the same, just better ! For the small price of 30$ !

    Anyway, I'll pass, thank you.

    Yeah this is getting ridiculous, I mean it might be a one off being the intrepid but that being said, I have completely gone off the idea of upgrading any ships now. I only upgraded my Orb Weaver and that is missing its sensor analysis still, so glad that was a free upgrade or I'd be really mad.

    This could well be a sign of things to come with the ships, so it just simply isn't worth the hassle any more in case they try to do this with other ships. I feel for anyone who had the T5-U of the intrepid though...
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  • reyan01
    reyan01 Member Posts: 15,511 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    1 word : money. A lot of it.

    Expect to see your favorite T5u revamped as T6 soon, the same, just better ! For the small price of 30$ !

    Anyway, I'll pass, thank you.

    Doubt it - my favorite ship is the Nova class; I don't see THAT ever getting a T6 version.

    And I think it's pretty safe to assume that there'll be PLENTY of ships that will be deemed unworthy of such treatment.
  • zuigje010
    zuigje010 Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Does my science ship on my alt gets updated to this T6 version or am I screwed?
    Otherwise I want a refund. I am not happy with this.
  • mo8ius142
    mo8ius142 Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I honestly don't mind them making money, as long as they keep adding content (which they do) rather than just raking money off a stagnant game I'm fine with them continually adding new things to buy, after all, it's optional for us to buy them.

    I really like the look & intention of the Pathfinder.

    I'd be 100% entirely happy with this new ship if I could just spend an upgrade token on my current T5-U intrepid and it would turn into a T6 Pathfinder. What I don't want to have to do is pay full T6 prices for a ship I already own 95% of - especially when I'd end up with a T5U intrepid sitting in my hangar unused because really, why use a T5u version of a ship when you have the T6 version of that ship? Makes so much more sense to offer upgrades to T5U owners.

    Especially since, being new to the game, I've only recently purchased my T5U intrepid. I would probably feel differently if I'd had it for months.

    I'm not asking for 'free' anything, I know they need to make money and I'm totally happy to support that (hence why I buy Zen things, to support a game I really enjoy playing), but an upgrade option seems like a very fair and expected thing to do here.