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Is there any chance that the same changes that were made to space stf difficulty will be applied to ground missions as well?
Most advanced STF's are still much more difficult to complete (or impossible to complete due to non-acknowledged bugs like in IGA) than the old Elite's.
Even with Ultra rare Mk 14 gear and various extra specialisation points, I'm actually having more trouble completing missions like Khitomer ground than before.
So what's the point of having upgraded all my gear from Mk 12 very rare to Mk 14 ultra rare and keep doing missions to earn more specialsation points if I'm actually weaker than before? I might as well ask what's the point of playing a game where you, despite having much more work to do with all the upgrades and extra points to collect, there is no real improvement?
At the moment the ground missions aren't fun and way too hard to complete for most people that used to do fine in ground STF's (I can tell since I've encountered many people before DR and after DR). Enemies have way too much health and with all those Elite tac drones that keep knocking you over every 2-3 seconds they're dealing way too much damage. Even on my tanking Medic I have noted that I'm having much more trouble surviving than before.
Soo... I understand that Space STF's are the most popular missions and therefore get more attention.. but it may be needed to reconsider ground difficulty as well.
Edit: Normal ground missions are also much more difficult than their space counterparts imo.
Most advanced STF's are still much more difficult to complete (or impossible to complete due to non-acknowledged bugs like in IGA) than the old Elite's.
Even with Ultra rare Mk 14 gear and various extra specialisation points, I'm actually having more trouble completing missions like Khitomer ground than before.
So what's the point of having upgraded all my gear from Mk 12 very rare to Mk 14 ultra rare and keep doing missions to earn more specialsation points if I'm actually weaker than before? I might as well ask what's the point of playing a game where you, despite having much more work to do with all the upgrades and extra points to collect, there is no real improvement?
At the moment the ground missions aren't fun and way too hard to complete for most people that used to do fine in ground STF's (I can tell since I've encountered many people before DR and after DR). Enemies have way too much health and with all those Elite tac drones that keep knocking you over every 2-3 seconds they're dealing way too much damage. Even on my tanking Medic I have noted that I'm having much more trouble surviving than before.
Soo... I understand that Space STF's are the most popular missions and therefore get more attention.. but it may be needed to reconsider ground difficulty as well.
Edit: Normal ground missions are also much more difficult than their space counterparts imo.
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Advanced ground stfs have serious issues.
You can literally walk out of the ground advanced stfs without any rewards.
Timers are also having issues.
If these are not bug issues, the folks over at Cryptic need to be fired.
These two need bug fixes.
CG also needs sped up or people won't play it.
IG needs to be split in two, separating Ogen and Manus.
Otherwise, non-STF elite queued ground content like Bug Hunt is fine. Khitomer Accord may need a more realistic optional timer. 2 minutes more? But the difficulty is fine.
Khitomer Ground seems to work perfectly fine, but I did have a strange anomaly when I did the room (where someone has to lower the generator forcefields for the team to destroy them), I thought it was a user error on my part 'till some of my teammates said it happened to them as well, sometimes when you push a sequence like B3, for some reason the game sees it for let's say A2... it doesn't lock thankfully so it can easily be finished but it's bugs like this that simply beg the question if the Q&A team working at Cryptic even got the slightest clue in what they're doing.
Maybe it's something that gets overlooked by Cryptic because not a lot of people run these missions but in all honesty that is no excuse to the buggy mess they're in now. I hope there's a fix for these issues soon.
I ran Khit last night. Aside from an unrealistic timer, what's the issue?
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bug advanced, not difficult, just boring
Agreed. Maybe I should've been a bit more specific in the opening post, but what I meant with 'difficulty' is that with all the huge HP and shield increases there's a big chance you'll run out of time.
Funny. I never said they're 'too hard'. I said they're much harder than before, which isn't hard to see since everything on the ground has been given huge shield and hp boosts.
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"Most advanced STF's are still much more difficult to complete (or impossible to complete due to non-acknowledged bugs like in IGA) than the old Elite's.
Even with Ultra rare Mk 14 gear and various extra specialisation points, I'm actually having more trouble completing missions like Khitomer ground than before. "
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So what I'm saying is that the mission should be easier than the old elites or at least as difficult as the old elites since you've upgraded your gear and earned more passive skills. They should not be harder, not after having improved basically everything from gear to skills.
Ground STFs in Normal are WAAAAAAY too easy which is why I'd like to play Advanced but not with the unreasonable timers.
The Infected shield bug does need addressing. But again people have blitzed through the old elite with Mk 12 gear and had I think 9:27 left on the optional timer. So factor in gear upgrades and additional new traits then I don't see the advanced as being problematic at all.
CG has always been time gated because of the power up time on the transformers. And overall despite the additional elite drones being added, they've made dealing with the workers on the transformers easier. Then we come Armek, the orbital strikes no longer one shot players. And every time I've run it. With both a pug and premade teams, Armeks dead before he can finish Hus second speech.
Yeah just did KA with above average team. I would say 17 minutes or 20 min is a fair timer. And 5 min for part 2 Rhiho Station.
I don't believe these changes will be forthcoming, however. And the last remnants of people trying to play them will soon dwindle to zero.
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In CGE even with all those added elites and the fact you can only activate the gates so fast there is plenty of time left on the clock. When you can one hit turrets, kill elite drones in 5s, it really doesn't matter. Ground power creep is here and its now as lame as space.
In CGE we get people to solo Armek now, because its just funny
Before DR we were ignoring the IGE trigger lines and running around like idiots and still getting the optionals.
KAGE is easy if you have people able to split up and handle elites as well.
Weak teams shouldn't be on elite, go back to normal, elite is pretty cake walkish right now, the only thing that ever gets you is nanites or slightly funnier moments of TRIBBLE your team over by falling into the plasma in IGE.
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QA, no &. I'm usually pretty sympathetic to them, but I do wonder in this case if these missions really weren't tested. Undine Infiltration was completely broken at launch, for instance, there was no way you could play that and not see it. The Borg ones are pretty bad now -- I had a Khitomer completely break when we failed last night, the failure condition that was added in yesterday's patch.
The difficulty is fine, if anything they're too easy on Elite. The only one I've failed so far is Hive. Advanced fails more often than Elite, probably because of the level 60 requirement locking a lot of players out.
I'm glad you can do that which I doubt some of it. We all know normal is easy and advance is big step up from normal (which shouldn't be that much of a step) and elite for level 60 players and mk14 gear.
The advance is not elite but a lot players think it is lol. Normal is a little harder because they raised the level to 50 it used to be 45 before DR. But advance you get scaled to level 60 which you should not ( elite is level 60). To me STO needs to figure out what they want to do lol.
When you are on a team that has done stuff together before don't brag now if it was a pug then brag everyone has the right to try elite if they want (hopefully they have the gear before trying).
The idea of players being expected to learn unmarked trigger lines remains one of the absolute worst design ideas I think I have ever encountered or even heard of in any MMO ever.
If Gozer and I won a lottery to be included on a survival spaceship bound for Mars because a meteor was going to destroy the earth, I would still be like, "Dude! What was up with the idea of those trigger lines in Infected?"
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The major problem just like before DR, is people not knowing what they are doing outside of, shooting the very first thing they see and, nothing else.
People couldn't even handle old elites in pug groups a lot of the time, what makes you think they are going to be any better at the slightly more difficult advanced?
Bugs are one thing but, people are the biggest contribution to failures more often than not!
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So basically it is 2 frustrated people with entirely opposing "facts" to make their point.
- Strict timers bring in strict DPS requirements and dont address teamwork to cope with the task at hand.
- Conditions able to be messed up by a single individual and leaving no room for the team to correct dont address teamwork either.
Sadly cryptic has failed to provide challenging team contend but instead only integrated mechanisms to hinder veterans/strong players to play with newbes/weak players.
What an awesome approach for an mmorpg which outside the pve queued maps only offers a boring grind.
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I mean really, do you guys want ground elite to be just as obnoxious as space elite is??
Becouse that will lead to that, and then it will be soo much "fun" to pound at Armek for half an hour or so becouse it has like more then 100k HP on elite. Since you know that will happen for sure
I feel you. An STF is never easy. It only gets if a team sums up a discrete amount of strength and experience.
I really hate the revamp of the difficulty because instead of providing a challenge for anybody (veterans or new players alike) we just encounter totally unchallenging, not motivating and annoying fail criteria.
Nobody ever asked for them and nobody ever thought about the consequences the cause, for the most part empty queue lists. I suspect if they revert them back to optionals things would sort out in the long run.
That a vast majority of the community rejects pve endgame is obvious by now. The question is just if cryptic does care or not.
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I wonder if anyone has tried canon captain loadouts. No armor, no shield, and phaser/disruptor pistol (or rifle) as a weapon.
STO pre DR was good all round because anyone could be anything more or less in any mission and come out of it fine. The only limit was how incompetent you are. Now ignoring space for now as that is frankly in dire need of help in the balancing department, I have to tell you ground is still fine and anyone who can't do it is either new, in need of training or is just outright incompetent.
Truth is there is a right and wrong way of setting up a ground character in terms of basic rules to follow and most people don't do it. Once you do that I can think of at least 4-5 ways each profession can be built, and all of them would be effective. Now I can spend less than five minutes telling someone what they need for their preferred play-style then maybe an hour teaching them how to play it and once that is done they'll be better than most the player-base, simply because they asked for help and actually paid attention.
So in short, if you're not good at ground then it is your own fault, and for the record our fleet team has not had any problems doing any of the STF's and it doesn't require any of the new gear grades or quality levels to do it. Like has been the case for a long time, teamwork and knowing your style is much more important and always has been.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhaqdIHtIEo Khitomer Advanced