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sennahcherib
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well,
this is over, the last patch and DR have killed the pleasure to pug in stfs.
10 attempts to do khitomer in stasis advanced : 10 failures
10 attempts to do infected the conduit advanced: 6 failures
and i don't even speak about rh'hihho station, and infected manus or the cure ground
this game was interesting because it was easy to enter in a stf and earn rewards, even with the failure of an optional. (half rewards)
and; no i don't want to play use elite channels, no i can't play each time with my fleet teamates.
this is over, the last patch and DR have killed the pleasure to pug in stfs.
10 attempts to do khitomer in stasis advanced : 10 failures
10 attempts to do infected the conduit advanced: 6 failures
and i don't even speak about rh'hihho station, and infected manus or the cure ground
this game was interesting because it was easy to enter in a stf and earn rewards, even with the failure of an optional. (half rewards)
and; no i don't want to play use elite channels, no i can't play each time with my fleet teamates.
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Try /channel_join PublicEliteSTF. It's one of the lower-end channels, no DPS gates, and there's still some of the randomness of pugging, but you've got some guarantee the team actually knows the STF's tactics.
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Speaking for myself I just wish crptic would make up their mind. When this game was sub only the stf's were alot like now you needed to run them with your fleet or members that had the gear and skill. Then f2p came and they changed the stf's broke them up space , ground then you no longer needed your fleet to complete them you could pug them.
Now were right back to where we were you either need to run them with your fleet or join a group channel. I say to cryptic can you just pick a direction and stick with it? Just my two zens
I have yet to get the opt in bug hunt and those overwhelming waves of attacking bugs make it difficul to prevail without a top end weapon lke a TR-115 and all the flanking spec skills in place. I would like to craft a TR but have yet to find the doff needed to craft it so while my equipment is good, it's not yet optimal. This makes it difficult, whether ground or space. The old Manus and the Armis ground were difficult even before DR.
I think many are still in the "learning curve" and stf pugging success rates will improve as the player base overall gets more experienced and better equipped. I would give a key, and a module if I could find the doff needed to craft the TR but until I do, I have to keep firing and hope for crits and enduring respawns in stf's like bug hunt
There are many creative players in STO and I am optimistic that stf success rates will improve once tactics to win with less than max equipment are discovered or invented.
Potentially Useless Group! :eek::D:P
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Pathetically Useless Group.
Please Use Groupfinder.
Pakelds Use Grenades.
Do the Bug Hunt Advanced after completing Dragons Deciet. Get 1 per run and it is pretty easy to complete.
Try bug hunt advanced
Yes its a ground instance, but look at how many pieces of gear you need for that. Shields, Armor, 1 weapon...maaaaybe 2 weapons if you like to switch back and forth. I did it a few times just recently cause i needed some power cells. I was wearing MK X Maco gear, and i still did a tiny bit better then the other 4 people in the group.
Pretty Ugly Group
Pathetically Uncoordinated Group
Positively Unaware Group
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
After the changes 1-2 bad players can have a massive impact on the outcome. Failure is always guaranteed then. The rest of the team has hardly any chance to do anything about it.
I have played all maps with all different kinds of teams the past 2 years. This is not a teamwork issue but rather a one that shows a deep lack of understanding of the devs toward the capabilities of the average player in STO.
Cryptic diminished the success chance of an average team you likely get in pugs massively causing the queue lists to be empty for the most part leaving huge aspects of the game unused.
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I avoid it like the plague. The only one i do pugging is maybe Crystalline entity. The rest is hard to do. i tried pugging the romulan azure nebula advanced. Everyone split in different directions and no one did the optional.
Any newbies reading this . READ THE OPTIONALS ..then for the heck of it. DO THE OPTIONALS.
The publicelitestf channel is great and you get to make friends that are not high dpsers but make you feel like you want to stf.
I do admit that some of the things i am new at , but admit that to the public elite estf groups that you form so everyone knows you are a newb.
Pugging is for those days when the channel is devoid of folks and i dont get anyone to do the work.
Yep i think the devs and game controllers need to pull those sheets that they like to pull the figures to show that there is almost no one pugging adv and elite anymore.
But hey we only let someoen catch a wakupcall when they are ready.
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:eek:
*even if your pre-made is random strangers from a grouping channel, that's still a pre-made, not the queue interface.
This is exacerbated by the simultaneous running of the Mirror event; people, including my fleet, would rather focus on that grind than on the regular queues, and that grind then burns them out so they don't feel like running the other queues after they finish their daily Mirror on N characters. I expect the same will continue in the near future when the Winter Event daily grind kicks in as well. I finally joined PublicEliteSTF this week because nobody in my small fleet is interested in running the regular queues while Mirror is active, and the majority of the groupings in PESTF are for Mirror anyway.. It also doesn't help that several of the queues have been offline or broken in one form or another since DR launched (IGA still can't be finished, for example, because the virus in the boss room doesn't work).
I'll gladly craft a TR for you at no charge if you provide all of the requisite materials.
Joined January 2009
Pathetic Useless Garbage
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Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Bug Hunt even elite is the probably the easiest new STF, the alarm bugs spawn in the same 3 spots every time. I PUG this all the time on elite and i rarely if ever fail it cause its easy, the lag sometimes can cause a fail cause you miss the alarm bug, its rare. Also you don't need the best gear, you just need to get your toxic resist up like nukara armor or counter command armor. Also as far as weapon i have been using the delta rep gun cause of the orbital strike it comes with on expose attack, and everyone got the shotgun from the mirror event so you can even use that.
In the old system you could get a really bad group or 3 people AFKing or a troll causing you to fail the optional. But you could still complete the STF and get your marks/processors.
In the current system it is far too easy for trolls to cause a fail, especially because usually people don't notice that someone is intentionally sabotaging the group until it is too late.
If it weren't for the trolls advanced would be OK. You would still fail occasionally because people do stupid things or simply f*** up (I am guilty of that), but the general experience would be a positive one.
i quote myself:
i'm not interested in elitism or competition or all forms of superiority; i'm not like that in RL, i'm not different in this game. I just want to share a moment in a stf with players, noobs or not.
i don't care if my ship is not uber powerful, i don't care if i can't do TRIBBLE dps, i play at this game not for that.
unfortunately, since DR, the dps race is huge, not only in space but now also on ground.
before DR, pugging was great and even friendly; now in a lot of stfs, a lot of players (and even me) are more nervous and use some words that i can write here; this is sad.
I stopped to do a lot of stfs. when I have less than 75% chance of success, I do not even try
- khitomer in stasis advanced
- the cure (ground and space) advanced
- infected manus advanced
- into the hive
- viscous cycle advanced (bugged)
- rh'hoo station advanced
- all the stfs with the tholians (except cca)
+ a lot of queues are empty
I think WoW had a fairly eloquent solution to this which was to provide a set number of weekly awards for pugging (weekly rather than daily to support binge play versus daily logins) and a pet for doing it 50 times total.
The reality is always that there is a cost associated with pugging. It can even be calculated in a "large numbers"/"risk premium" sense if Cryptic chose to run the numbers and they could offer an incentive equal to the cost.
You queue not just for a random group but a random encounter (which might even be weighted towards the unpopular ones). So you do not choose the encounter as part of the tradeoff.
And you get the "7 times a week" reward/countdown to the cosmetic reward only upon successful completion. I THINK you might get some rewards every time but the 7 times a week deal is for a reward on par with something like BNP or artifacts (which would be awarded even on normal difficulty) and then after the 7 times you'd continue to get bonus dilithium/marks type rewards for pugging.
Yeah, I've given up on getting the ancient thingamajigs too. I have 2 and would need 30-50 of them for all the gear. Cryptic needs to make some other way to get them or let me buy them with Delta marks. I got plenty of those.