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Suggestion: Reduce Eclipse Model Size By 25-50%
covoc
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In the realm of important game issues, this is not one. Simply a suggestion.
Reduce the Eclipse cruiser model size by approximately 25%. Perhaps even 50%. Only has a crew of 400, yet it dwarfs the Galaxy and is on par with the premiere Federation ship-of-the-line, the Odyssey. The later of which has a crew compliment 6.25x greater @2500.
A number of other cruisers with similar crew compliments fall into that '50% less volume' category. Would still be easily identifiable as a cruiser.
My 0.02EC only.
Reduce the Eclipse cruiser model size by approximately 25%. Perhaps even 50%. Only has a crew of 400, yet it dwarfs the Galaxy and is on par with the premiere Federation ship-of-the-line, the Odyssey. The later of which has a crew compliment 6.25x greater @2500.
A number of other cruisers with similar crew compliments fall into that '50% less volume' category. Would still be easily identifiable as a cruiser.
My 0.02EC only.
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I agree. It's hard to prove why, but I also feel as if the Eclipse shouldn't be the same size as the Federation's current flagship.
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I would have thought it should be more similar to the Avenger in size personally
Also it's an Intelligence ship, unlike the Odyssey which is an Exploration ship that has Scientist, and Engineers, and tactical crew, the Intelligence ships, should have less crew, like Engineers to maintain it, and some Security officers, does not really need scientist.
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That is why there is a Escort Intel ship, for short range, but if I'm 70,000 LY from home, Spying on Alien races, all by myself, I want a big ship
I'd agree with this, the Avenger can turn about the same and has the same feel. Moved my fed tac from an Avenger into the Eclipse and the size vs turn is just ludicrous.
You completely miss the point. It's a lot easier to hide a smaller ship than a bigger ship. Intelligence ships are small, hard to find. Not the size of space stations.
This merely shows you know ZIP about intelligence work.
Personally I'd resize all intel ships to about these sizes:
Scryer: Nova or Research science vessel(Lt cmdr freebie ship)
Phantom: Again around the defiant or nova size.
Eclipse: About the size of an Akira or Federation heavy cruiser(Cheyenne class)
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Enlarge the Benthan cruiser model size by approximately 25%. Perhaps even 50%.
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An increased size means additional resource investment, which needs to be justified by some requirement for the size.
As an Intelligence Vessel valuing stealth, size is not what I'd consider to be an advantage, larger ship, larger power supply, stronger radiation emissions , likewise with larger Engines, increased energy output. All leading to increased chances of detection.
An increased Size would also give it a larger "shadow" for want of a better word , if its not using a cloak, or a more sophisticated and more powerful cloaking device than a smaller vessel for the same level of stealth.
We've seen from the show that its harder to cloak a Negh'Var than it is to cloak a B'rel, Difference there is the Negh'Var has a purpose for its massive size since its a Front line combat vessel, the Eclipse isn't
If you have a ship that can cloak, it doesn't matter about the size of the ship. The bigger the ship, the more abilities it has. So it is either have a small stealth ship that can only do a couple of things or have a huge cloaked ship that can do a ton of things.
Intel ships are not only used for spying, they are used for large scale fleet movement, tracking enemy ships.
Avenger should be a little bigger than it is. It shouldnt be smaller than the HEC and have a lesser turn rate at least.
Cryptic do seem to have trouble with size and mass for some reason.
Huge cloaked ship is harder to hide even when cloaked. More energy and emissions output. More manpower to build.
You can build a smaller deep space intelligence ship that isn't bigger than most of the ships currently employed by Starfleet.
You could have a ship the size of the Stargazer A(heavy cruiser variant) and still do the job while being half the size.
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Which one would think would be done better with a ship that is smaller and harder to detect.
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This sounds just about perfect to me in terms of scale.
Look... I don't want to make things more difficult than they have to be. As a compromise; if altering the Eclipse model is too problematic... just increase the size of everything else by 25-50%.
Not all intel ships are hiding, they are just there gathering information, processing data, relaying it to command ships, out in the open.
Yep. You take something small, nimble, enough firepower to knife any opponent in the dark, with enhanced battle cloak.
Ooo, I know, Klingon Bird of Prey. But no, Feds do as Feds do and send stuff completely unsuited to the task and act surprised when it fails.
That is NOT a solution. We have enough problems with planets being too small to begin with!
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Best analogy and yes bringing another sci-fi series into this. If you've ever read any of the Halo books, then you should know something about the Prowler Corps.
They basically use stealthy intel gathering ships to do what I just said. However how big are they? Oh yeah that's right bout the size of corvetts. Meaning if anybody remembers the ship Forward Unto Dawn, or In Amber Clad, the Prowler Corps Corvetts are SMALLER than that.
Same theory applies to intel gathering. Smaller the ship, easier it is to conceal, even with cloaking devices.
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The basic principle comes from 20th century radar. Larger ships have a higher chance to reflect radio waves back at the source because of the large surface area. Smaller ship, smaller area, smaller chance of being detected.
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Huge cloaked ship means there are more cloaking systems to keep it cloaked. You don't use the same cloaking device on a Defiant that you would use on something the size of a Galaxy. There are more systems to deal with energy and emission output and more crew members to maintain the cloaking device. Therefore, at the sizes that we deal with for ships, size is meaningless for cloaked ships. Now if we were cloaking something the size of DS9 or a Borg Cube, then there might be some issues with cloaking
Those ships were very well thought out
I particularly liked the Nuclear Missile that launched from its own launch system away from the ship so as to strike without giving away the position of the vessel