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Which ship for an engineer to pvp?

dam999dam999 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited November 2014 in PvP Gameplay
Which ship would you recommend for an engineer to pvp?
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  • dam999dam999 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    People are complaining that no one wants to join a pvp queue, well here I am.

    Just tell me which ship would you recommend.

    My current ship:

    http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=khyzonengineer_8527

    2 purple AP doffs
    3 blue WCE ones
  • illcadiaillcadia Member Posts: 1,412 Bug Hunter
    edited November 2014
    Fed intel cruiser, override subsystems for DPS boosting.
  • dam999dam999 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    illcadia wrote: »
    Fed intel cruiser, override subsystems for DPS boosting.


    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Eclipse_Intel_Cruiser

    This one?

    But it has only 3 tac consoles and only lt.cmd. tac BOFF seat..

    I wouldn't know how to utilise that one..
  • illcadiaillcadia Member Posts: 1,412 Bug Hunter
    edited November 2014
    dam999 wrote: »
    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Eclipse_Intel_Cruiser

    This one?

    But it has only 3 tac consoles and only lt.cmd. tac BOFF seat..

    I wouldn't know how to utilise that one..

    When you're running around with 150 power in all subsystems uncapped you don't need that extra tac console. Additionally, intel powers are fricking amazing and easily give you a large degree of versatility and ability to maximize your damage output.
  • riccardo171riccardo171 Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Science Odyssey with four fleet emitter arrays and a good staple of Neutroniums. Engineers do great at healing. Leave DPS to tacs, and one thing, Intel isn't the solution to everything. Ended up in a T6 vs T6 match, opposing team lost because the couldn't get through the heals casted to my teammates. Period.
    And we were losing big time before my team realized that they should have stayed nearby.
    Other options would be the Recluse or Adapted Battlecruiser.
  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Science Odyssey with four fleet emitter arrays and a good staple of Neutroniums. Engineers do great at healing. Leave DPS to tacs, and one thing, Intel isn't the solution to everything. Ended up in a T6 vs T6 match, opposing team lost because the couldn't get through the heals casted to my teammates. Period.
    And we were losing big time before my team realized that they should have stayed nearby.
    Other options would be the Recluse or Adapted Battlecruiser.

    This, and also don't forget the Advanced Obelisk. SRUs or whatever you want could help you and your team as well.
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  • sjokruhlicasjokruhlica Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    My favorite cruiser is still the Cardassian Galor, if you can get one. Tough, maneuverable, and the only ship with Spiral Wave disruptors. I've managed , through spec and gear selection, to get up over 60k hull and 16k shields, with good DR. My last PvP with it , I had a fleet Defiant-R with all elite gear pummel me for 15m and it never got through my shields. DPS may not be as good as the new intel cruisers, but I haven't been able to make any other ship perform like her.
    The old reliable Advanced Heavy Cruiser is very similar to the Galor, with a bit more dps and a little less tanky,and an almost identical boff layout
  • riccardo171riccardo171 Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    My favorite cruiser is still the Cardassian Galor, if you can get one. Tough, maneuverable, and the only ship with Spiral Wave disruptors. I've managed , through spec and gear selection, to get up over 60k hull and 16k shields, with good DR. My last PvP with it , I had a fleet Defiant-R with all elite gear pummel me for 15m and it never got through my shields. DPS may not be as good as the new intel cruisers, but I haven't been able to make any other ship perform like her.
    The old reliable Advanced Heavy Cruiser is very similar to the Galor, with a bit more dps and a little less tanky,and an almost identical boff layout

    Fleet Defiant aren't a threat you know...
  • dam999dam999 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Which ship for an engineer for pvp 1 vs 1 so it can beat a tac captain, in 1 vs 1 ship on ship. Not draw, but win.
  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    dam999 wrote: »
    Which ship for an engineer for pvp 1 vs 1 so it can beat a tac captain, in 1 vs 1 ship on ship. Not draw, but win.

    i think somehow, at least from my perspective, u got the wrong approach on the matter... 1vs1 means nothing, as beating one tac-captain absolutely not necessarily means u'll pwn the next as well.
    i'll suggest to join one of the pvp fleets left and ask for advice, or just visit one of the related ts servers. it's much easier to give advice in a spoken dialogue ;).

    btw: charal on an engie could have been a threat to anything dps-wise some time ago (if done right). one thing i know about is to get any accolade that is connected to minor boosts (+2% tetryon damage f.e.), that is out there ;).

    some thoughts on the build:
    -get rid off the omega torp (dhc instead)
    -dbb in first weap slot (no powerdrain on bo in first slot=most possible damage from ur dbb on a bo)
    -get any 2(-or more) set u may like (borg f.e. or any other rep-set regarding what fits ur style; engines and deflector)
    -get resilient fleet shields res-b or any other shield that may complement with other set-items u may use (dyson is also very good)
    -get a 2nd crf instead of 2 bo's... dbb is for finishing spikes, but ur core-dps comes from the dhc's (alternatively i'd would go without ap-delta, bo in there and a 3rd ap-doff. 2 crf's and 2 bo's with apo on 32sec cd)

    that's it on the first sight (not really checked consoles, nor skilltree). keep in mind that i play almost only tacs, so u may better get some engies to help u. as already been said in here, dps is not on the engies. theirs is to suck it up and survive while keeping everything around alive ;).
  • havamhavam Member Posts: 1,735 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    The problem with eng in pvp is simply that healer classes are counterproductive for 99% of the PvE grind required to stay competitive in pvp.

    I think the OPs focus on DPS shows that quite clearly. I would recommend the talshiar destroyer as switching between a solid healer setup for pvp and a more dps focused loadout (if the loadout works) is easy on it.

    otherwise as waste33 said: Don't try to tac on an eng. Find a group of players that makes pve less painful for you.
  • giotarizgiotariz Member Posts: 652 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Get an Odyssey Science and start healing.

    That's what engs are for.
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  • spaceeagle20spaceeagle20 Member Posts: 971 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Science Odyssey with four fleet emitter arrays and a good staple of Neutroniums. Engineers do great at healing. Leave DPS to tacs, and one thing, Intel isn't the solution to everything. Ended up in a T6 vs T6 match, opposing team lost because the couldn't get through the heals casted to my teammates. Period.
    And we were losing big time before my team realized that they should have stayed nearby.
    Other options would be the Recluse or Adapted Battlecruiser.

    I think I remember that match ;-)
    Before the T6 hit holodeck, I asked evial85 about which is the best ship for a healer and, if I remeber well, he mentioned the Recluse and the Adapted battle cruiser , saying though that the second one slightly better than the Recluse because of his borg regenerative power thing.
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  • spaceeagle20spaceeagle20 Member Posts: 971 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    giotariz wrote: »
    Get an Odyssey Science and start healing.

    That's what engs are for.

    yes, engies are for that and/or for constant "keep at bay" damage
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  • dam999dam999 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    So there is no chance that en eng captain can win against a tac captain 1vs1 solar winds while both are of equal skills and the tier of equipment?
  • dam999dam999 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    havam wrote: »
    The problem with eng in pvp is simply that healer classes are counterproductive for 99% of the PvE grind required to stay competitive in pvp.


    So basically a healer class is counterproductive both for the PvE and PvP, if I understood correctly?
  • giotarizgiotariz Member Posts: 652 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    dam999 wrote: »
    So basically a healer class is counterproductive both for the PvE and PvP, if I understood correctly?

    No.
    Healer is awesome in PvP and can be helpful in a high DPS team in pve.
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  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    dam999 wrote: »
    So there is no chance that en eng captain can win against a tac captain 1vs1 solar winds while both are of equal skills and the tier of equipment?

    in a hypothetical surrounding, in where both fly appropiate ships with appropiate and matching gear, with appropiate skilltrees, fitting (rep-)traits and comparable skill no tac should be able to kill any eng. same the other way round, or at least it will take quite some time lol (--> pressure damage, while the tacs' thing is spike damage) :D;).
  • dam999dam999 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    havam wrote: »
    The problem with eng in pvp is simply that healer classes are counterproductive for 99% of the PvE grind required to stay competitive in pvp.

    I think the OPs focus on DPS shows that quite clearly. I would recommend the talshiar destroyer as switching between a solid healer setup for pvp and a more dps focused loadout (if the loadout works) is easy on it.

    otherwise as waste33 said: Don't try to tac on an eng. Find a group of players that makes pve less painful for you.

    So PvE is a painful experience for an eng and PvP pointless.

    Why don't they make an engineer class more competitive in space? What's the deal with ignoring an engineer completely?
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