Wrong weapon type for Compression Phaser Rifle - Delta reputation.

angrytarg · November 2014

Why did you make it a rapid-fire assault rifle, Cryptic? (Alternative link, in case you can't see the pictures (scroll down))

These five screencaps from the show alone suggest that it would be a much better beam weapon, presumably high-density variant. A better wide beam rifle would be the Type-3 phaser as seen in TNG and DS9. (Alternative link)

It's little things like this that really make me grind my teeth.

EDIT: Since it seems that some people can't see the pictures, which work perfectly fine for me so it can't be a hotlinking-issue, here is a summary:

The Delta rep weapon is a "rapid fire rifle" type of weapon, a bolt firing assault rifle. In the show, however, it was a beam weapon that might have a different mode for a bolt setting, but 9 out of 10 times it was a beam weapon. There is also no indication that it had a wide-beam setting like the game weapon, this is a feature that was however shown on the TNG Type-3 phaser (which is not in the game).

alridgerunner · November 2014

#1: Your links don't work. The host doesn't allow remote linking.

#2: Because of this, I have no idea what you're actually saying.

#3: ...

#4: Profit!

aelfwin1 · November 2014

alridgerunner wrote: »

#1: Your links don't work. The host doesn't allow remote linking.

#2: Because of this, I have no idea what you're actually saying.

The Phased Compression Rifles on Voyager were shown to be beam centric , not energy pulse centric :

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/25/63/1f/25631fe25a17ce06fb226e7917b8054c.jpg

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070702200401/memoryalpha/en/images/3/30/Compression_phaser_rifle_voy.png

... that's what he's saying ... , and he's right ...

angrytarg · November 2014

alridgerunner wrote: »

#1: Your links don't work. The host doesn't allow remote linking.

#2: Because of this, I have no idea what you're actually saying.

#3: ...

#4: Profit!

I'm sorry, but all of the links work perfectly fine when I click on them

In any case, see aelfwin1's response

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angrytarg · November 2014

mattjohnsonva wrote: »

You're right but perhaps also wrong. From what I can see there is no evidence to show that this weapon cannot be configured many different ways. As it stands I think it's a tremendously powerful weapon, one of the best in the game, the exploit orbital strik is awesome for static or slow moving targets and finally gives us tacs an OS that we've always wanted.

Finally well done Cryptic for modelling this weapons so well, it looks exactly like the one in the show and was always my favourite.

https://www.facebook.com/S.S.R.Page/photos/a.715924945152583.1073741847.169506809794402/722884491123295/?type=3&theater

PS: I can't see your links OP either.

True, but for a game that's based on a visual medium's IP which showed a thing do X it is, in my opinion, not a good thing to just do Y in-game because "it could be that way", at least that's my thinking. I mean it is a fact that it could fire both, but the majority of times it fired a beam. This would if any make it a perfect "beam" primary and "bolt" secondary weapon, don't you think?

I really don't know what the issue with the pictures is. They work for me o.O

capnmanx · November 2014

The best showing off of this weapon that I can recall was the opening of 'Equinox'; where it was shown as a rapid fire bolt weapon (and a pretty powerful sounding one at that; like it was firing off mini photon torps).

dragonsbrethren · November 2014

angrytarg wrote: »

I really don't know what the issue with the pictures is. They work for me o.O

It's hotlinking protection. They show fine for you because you went to the site normally and the pictures were cached.

angrytarg · November 2014

capnmanx wrote: »

The best showing off of this weapon that I can recall was the opening of 'Equinox'; where it was shown as a rapid fire bolt weapon (and a pretty powerful sounding one at that; like it was firing off mini photon torps).

Which is however as far as I know the only time it was shown firing pulses. ALL the other times it was a beam. I know STO has a tendency of disregarding anything prior when something was ONCE shown to be different, but it's still meh...

wildweasal · November 2014

Are we seriously arguing about this ? stop it nerds your wasting fourm space ...ones beam centric ones pulse centric FFs smh

jer5488 · November 2014

wildweasal wrote: »

Are we seriously arguing about this ? stop it nerds your wasting fourm space ...ones beam centric ones pulse centric FFs smh

You do realize... You're posting on a Star Trek video game forum in a topic about a phaser rifle. That qualifies you as a nerd everywhere on the planet.

angrytarg · November 2014

wildweasal wrote: »

Are we seriously arguing about this ? stop it nerds your wasting fourm space ...ones beam centric ones pulse centric FFs smh

If they claim to make a Star Trek game and put stuff from the well-documented show on which the game is based on inside of said game they better keep to what was shown on-screen.

odstparker · November 2014

Honestly, I don't like that rifle in general. I would much prefer the rifle used in First Contact. But, seeing as that will probably not happen anytime soon, if ever, I'll have to make due with what we got.

This rifle should have been a beam weapon, with a high density secondary setting. I don't know what possessed to make it a rapid fire bolt rifle with a wide beam secondary (the early TNG rifles would make a much better wide beam rifle, since they mentioned that it had that capability many times), while also giving it a tactical strike designator. It seems like they needed a rifle to fill those conditions and they just chose the well-known Voyager rifle.

Now, I just want a First Contact style sniper rifle.

enkemen · November 2014

enoemg wrote: »

Honestly, I don't like that rifle in general. I would much prefer the rifle used in First Contact. But, seeing as that will probably not happen anytime soon, if ever, I'll have to make due with what we got.

This rifle should have been a beam weapon, with a high density secondary setting. I don't know what possessed to make it a rapid fire bolt rifle with a wide beam secondary (the early TNG rifles would make a much better wide beam rifle, since they mentioned that it had that capability many times), while also giving it a tactical strike designator. It seems like they needed a rifle to fill those conditions and they just chose the well-known Voyager rifle.

Now, I just want a First Contact style sniper rifle.

You have one: Mk II Phaser Sniper Rifle.

dragonsbrethren · November 2014

They probably did the bolt thing on this because, without it, it'd just be a clone of the proton rifle doing phaser/disruptor damage on non-exploit attacks. (I won't go into the rant about those exploits being more annoying than helpful again...). I'd be fine with that, but I think most people want each rep weapon to be special/unique.

Loving this rifle for my Feds, by the way. Don't care that it doesn't fire a beam. The damage/DPS value claims it's weaker than my fleet full auto, but the wide beam is a lot more useful than full auto sweep, IMO.

Anyone got a screenshot of the disruptor?

k20vtec · December 2014

Balancing perhaps? They have their reasons, probably....You have to compromise sometimes, otherwise you would have a Sovereign/assault cruiser with 16 energy weapon slot. Besides none of the weapons in-game follow Canon anyway, a simple Type-III Phaser can do everything from stun to blow up/disintergrate a big chunk of stuff.

angrytarg · December 2014

k20vtec wrote: »

Balancing perhaps? They have their reasons, probably....You have to compromise sometimes, otherwise you would have a Sovereign/assault cruiser with 16 energy weapon slot. Besides none of the weapons in-game follow Canon anyway, a simple Type-III Phaser can do everything from stun to blow up/disintergrate a big chunk of stuff.

They have their reasons I'm sure, but they screwed up so badly. You have TNG canon designs they could use that would cover all weapon types they need instead of changing them to fit their balancing.

The compression rifle should be immune to dampening fields, fire a beam primarily and a bolt as secondary firing mode. A Type-III (TNG) should fire beams primarily and wide-beam secondary. The FC and beyond rifle fits the sniper rifle, worf's FC heavy weapon would be a blast weapon and so on.

That's true, weapons should be way more customizable. They never established what the advantages of "rifles" is in the first place, since a Type-I can probably desintegrate just as well. I'd sepculate that the Type-III and ups have more gizmos, more energy, better aim, something like that.

dontdrunkimshoot · December 2014

the worst part is this weapon doesn't even benefit from the massive stealth buff all the other auto rifles got, cause though similar it fires 1 more pulse then normal auto rifles.

angrytarg · December 2014

So it's not even a "real" auto rifle. Lol.

What I would have settled for would a a rapid fire beam rifle. Just have four short beam bursts, that would have been new and truer to what the weapon was shown to be.

k20vtec · December 2014

angrytarg wrote: »

They have their reasons I'm sure, but they screwed up so badly. You have TNG canon designs they could use that would cover all weapon types they need instead of changing them to fit their balancing.

The compression rifle should be immune to dampening fields, fire a beam primarily and a bolt as secondary firing mode. A Type-III (TNG) should fire beams primarily and wide-beam secondary. The FC and beyond rifle fits the sniper rifle, worf's FC heavy weapon would be a blast weapon and so on.

That's true, weapons should be way more customizable. They never established what the advantages of "rifles" is in the first place, since a Type-I can probably desintegrate just as well. I'd sepculate that the Type-III and ups have more gizmos, more energy, better aim, something like that.

Rifles have aim-assist and gyro stabilizer according to Kira in DS9, not sure about the exact episode,but I remeber Kira was comparing a fed rifle and a cardassian rifle wheb she said it.
and a bigger battery(not sure on this one, but probably true). Type-I only have 8 settings by the way, a rifle have 16

angrytarg · December 2014

k20vtec wrote: »

Rifles have aim-assist and gyro stabilizer according to Kira in DS9, not sure about the exact episode,but I remeber Kira was comparing a fed rifle and a cardassian rifle wheb she said it.
and a bigger battery(not sure on this one, but probably true). Type-I only have 8 settings by the way, a rifle have 16

Good catch, thanks

I just checked the TNG manual, but it doesn't say much about the Type-III and focuses on I and II, although it gives 16 setting for both (just speedread it though, I might have missed the distinction).

Wrong weapon type for Compression Phaser Rifle - Delta reputation.

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