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There's a few things that I find issue with in the crafting and upgrading system. The biggest is the random mods. Regardless of how knowledgeable the person is in that field they can get a random item. In particular the weapons.
If I, for example, make 300 weapons. I'm aiming for one particular weapon type (usually ACCx3 or CrtDx3). I may get 1 out every 100 IF I'm lucky. Typically it's more like 1 out 150. I can end up with all sorts of other junk items that I then throw aside. I keep some of the semi decent ones hoping to get the end result, or a result that is close enough, but they are on the back burner so to say.
But let's get down to reality, in a realm of a craftsman, say a sculptor, I grab my piece of clay, or metal, or stone and I look at it and vision what I see it being. I know that I want my clay pot to be 12 inches high and 6 inches at the widest point with a narrow base and small opening. I know I plan on making it be a yellow Aztec type look on it. I know the end result.
In game crafting is nothing like crafting. Didn't engineers, tactical and Science officers know what they were making when they crafted their own things for their specific missions?
Now the fact that is random is easy to understand. We'd have 5000+ crtdx3 weapons floating about, and 5000+ ACCx3 weapons as well. Can't flood the market with something that costs next to nothing to craft. So there would have to be some trade off.
Leave the crafting of lower "regular" weapons as it is. Add another option for crafting. For example it could be a "Crafted Antipproton Dual beam Bank" MK II-XIV. The mods the user can select and craft accordingly. So for example if I was crafting for an ultra rare Crtdx4 I could, but I'd have limits. For example I couldn't make it below MK X and it would take substantially more parts than just two items to make. Say another used in the rare materials? Or more use of the Salvaged tech parts. Once you get done with crafting your upgrades you need there's no further use technically.
Now if I was aiming to make MK II weapons, it would take more than just the two parts it does now, or maybe it has to be a successfully upgraded quality part than just the two, so you make them and then do a refining process to make it of higher quality for the crafting system.
Now as a trade off for making these more focused weapons and to help keep them from flooding things, limit it to a max of 8 per account per weapon type. That way I don't have to destroy my Epic weapons after I upgraded them to try a new or different energy type.
These "Crafted" weapons could get their own procs in addition to their energy type. Maybe because they were focused on more than just the regular ones. I know that if I was in the game making weapons I'd be working on focusing on certain weapons so that I can make them the best and if I knew they could only be for me because I specialized in making them for myself I'd put extra time into crafting them. They could have a similar time as the Crafted Omni beams, 20 hours, or more.
I'd even take a hit at only being able to have one officer who can craft them if I knew in 8 days worth of crafting I could highly focus my time instead of spending days crafting junk to sell.
Now others may not like the tradeoffs, but if you can make your weapons with the mods you want without having to buy them from others think of the EC you can save yourself if you could do it yourself. This in addition to the other benefits of crafting makes it a more welcomed addition in my opinion. Bound on pickup special crafted weapons would make the crafting system more realistic in truth.
The same thing could be applied in some way to the Upgrading system. If I was upgrading a weapon I'd hope that I knew what I was aiming for. And success of that particular upgrade to me would make more sense than a random Mod at quality upgrades. Could use a system of a particular crafted item used in making the weapon for example. Extra lens for that ACC bonus for example. Extra powersource for DMG, extra amplifier for that CrtD , just for starters.
If I, for example, make 300 weapons. I'm aiming for one particular weapon type (usually ACCx3 or CrtDx3). I may get 1 out every 100 IF I'm lucky. Typically it's more like 1 out 150. I can end up with all sorts of other junk items that I then throw aside. I keep some of the semi decent ones hoping to get the end result, or a result that is close enough, but they are on the back burner so to say.
But let's get down to reality, in a realm of a craftsman, say a sculptor, I grab my piece of clay, or metal, or stone and I look at it and vision what I see it being. I know that I want my clay pot to be 12 inches high and 6 inches at the widest point with a narrow base and small opening. I know I plan on making it be a yellow Aztec type look on it. I know the end result.
In game crafting is nothing like crafting. Didn't engineers, tactical and Science officers know what they were making when they crafted their own things for their specific missions?
Now the fact that is random is easy to understand. We'd have 5000+ crtdx3 weapons floating about, and 5000+ ACCx3 weapons as well. Can't flood the market with something that costs next to nothing to craft. So there would have to be some trade off.
Leave the crafting of lower "regular" weapons as it is. Add another option for crafting. For example it could be a "Crafted Antipproton Dual beam Bank" MK II-XIV. The mods the user can select and craft accordingly. So for example if I was crafting for an ultra rare Crtdx4 I could, but I'd have limits. For example I couldn't make it below MK X and it would take substantially more parts than just two items to make. Say another used in the rare materials? Or more use of the Salvaged tech parts. Once you get done with crafting your upgrades you need there's no further use technically.
Now if I was aiming to make MK II weapons, it would take more than just the two parts it does now, or maybe it has to be a successfully upgraded quality part than just the two, so you make them and then do a refining process to make it of higher quality for the crafting system.
Now as a trade off for making these more focused weapons and to help keep them from flooding things, limit it to a max of 8 per account per weapon type. That way I don't have to destroy my Epic weapons after I upgraded them to try a new or different energy type.
These "Crafted" weapons could get their own procs in addition to their energy type. Maybe because they were focused on more than just the regular ones. I know that if I was in the game making weapons I'd be working on focusing on certain weapons so that I can make them the best and if I knew they could only be for me because I specialized in making them for myself I'd put extra time into crafting them. They could have a similar time as the Crafted Omni beams, 20 hours, or more.
I'd even take a hit at only being able to have one officer who can craft them if I knew in 8 days worth of crafting I could highly focus my time instead of spending days crafting junk to sell.
Now others may not like the tradeoffs, but if you can make your weapons with the mods you want without having to buy them from others think of the EC you can save yourself if you could do it yourself. This in addition to the other benefits of crafting makes it a more welcomed addition in my opinion. Bound on pickup special crafted weapons would make the crafting system more realistic in truth.
The same thing could be applied in some way to the Upgrading system. If I was upgrading a weapon I'd hope that I knew what I was aiming for. And success of that particular upgrade to me would make more sense than a random Mod at quality upgrades. Could use a system of a particular crafted item used in making the weapon for example. Extra lens for that ACC bonus for example. Extra powersource for DMG, extra amplifier for that CrtD , just for starters.
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2nd thing is the chance for the upgrade to fail. It is disheartening to see an upgrade failing.
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In ways I can see the cost means. It might be a little too high, but they really want you to use the better upgrade kits. As for upgrades failing, They don't technically fail. You either get the MK upgrade an a quality upgrade or just the MK Upgrade. If you get to XIV, you get a Quality upgrade chance that sticks until it upgrades. They used to make you wait for no change to occur, now they don't. Would you rather have that?
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Making lower mark items to upgrade is better cost to benefit. A rank 2 item might cost you a few K extra dil to upgrade, but you can make a massive sackful without spending any real resources, and they will be almost 100% purple quality, etc.
Rank 2 is probably too low. VIII is a good compromise between getting "mostly all purple quality" for "not too many resources" with a "not too harsh of an upgrade cost". The dil you spend upgrading a few of them is far, far, far less than the dil you would spend maknig XI or XII items and throwing away a bunch of them.
I agree. I spent 30k at most of Dil to upgrade a MK II to Epic. It became Epic early on on too. But the point is if I am crafting something I know what I want. Why would I aim for a crth, dmg, pen mods when I wanted a Crtdx3 to start with. I have the skills to craft great items, So why not the skills to know what I wanted in the end?
Look at any Star trek show where an engineer had to make something to suit a particular purpose. They knew their end result, they knew what they they had to do and how to get it. Is this game really that much different where a captain isn't sure of what he wants or how to get said item?
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Actually what they should have done is this. Not charged but one time for an upgrade to begin.
This is a very Chinese way of upgrading in that it charges per upgrade you use which is insane. And the thing that makes it insane is this, it's not using other resources it's using dilithium Since when does any race use dilithium to upgrade a deflector for example.
Another good point. Not everything needed Dilithium to upgrade. If anything it takes Energy to upgrade things. For Cores it makes sense since Dilithium is often the core of their power.
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