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T6 Mvae

rearllrearll Member Posts: 87 Arc User
edited October 2014 in Federation Discussion
Hi,

At some point can you (Cryptic) add a T6 MVAE to the line-up of new ships, I love my existing MVAE but some more teeth on a T6 variant would be a nice move.

And have the non-commanded assault vectors actually commanded - by us, so we can select targets like fighters on any carrier rather than it wandering off automatically.

Thanks! :)
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  • stomperx99stomperx99 Member Posts: 863 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I'll chip in for this...
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  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    It would at least make me start using mine again. Granted, my Temporal Destroyer far outclasses anything I was able to do with my MVAE, but I would at least test-run a T6 MVAE.
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  • mandarsmashmandarsmash Member Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Yeah, that's not happening. You'll get a T5-U MVAE (if you want to upgrade). I can't see Cryptic releasing T6 versions of existing ships. Every T6 ship announced so far has been a new design. All evidence points to that being the plan going forward.

    All-in-all, though, the difference between T5-U and T6 isn't deal breaking, in my opinion. Scaling hull, extra console, 4 tiers of extra passive buffs is cool (assuming cost to upgrade to T5-U is reasonable). Really just missing out on an extra gimmick (5th mastery) and an extra BOff slot, which is the only real kicker.
  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Yeah, that's not happening. You'll get a T5-U MVAE (if you want to upgrade). I can't see Cryptic releasing T6 versions of existing ships. Every T6 ship announced so far has been a new design. All evidence points to that being the plan going forward.

    All-in-all, though, the difference between T5-U and T6 isn't deal breaking, in my opinion. Scaling hull, extra console, 4 tiers of extra passive buffs is cool (assuming cost to upgrade to T5-U is reasonable). Really just missing out on an extra gimmick (5th mastery) and an extra BOff slot, which is the only real kicker.

    I don't think so. It's what happened when they launched fleet ships...which were better versions of existing ships. I am willing to bet that the next batch of T6 ships will be classic ships or previously existing ships.
    In the live stream yesterday someone asked about a T6 Intrepid and they answered it in a way that made me think we'll see one and more.
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  • rearllrearll Member Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Yeah, that's not happening. You'll get a T5-U MVAE (if you want to upgrade). I can't see Cryptic releasing T6 versions of existing ships. Every T6 ship announced so far has been a new design. All evidence points to that being the plan going forward.

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    I'm not asking for a T6 version of an existing ship, I'm asking for an all new T6 ship with MVA capabilities.
  • bones1970bones1970 Member Posts: 953 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Yeah, that's not happening. You'll get a T5-U MVAE (if you want to upgrade). I can't see Cryptic releasing T6 versions of existing ships. Every T6 ship announced so far has been a new design. All evidence points to that being the plan going forward.

    All-in-all, though, the difference between T5-U and T6 isn't deal breaking, in my opinion. Scaling hull, extra console, 4 tiers of extra passive buffs is cool (assuming cost to upgrade to T5-U is reasonable). Really just missing out on an extra gimmick (5th mastery) and an extra BOff slot, which is the only real kicker.

    You not seeing that happen, what about a refit or retrofit ?? we got multi tier's defiands, excelsiors so why not multi tier's tier 5 and tier 6 refits ?

    The make more money and its a copy / past and then add +1 LC boff/int..
  • mandarsmashmandarsmash Member Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    khan5000 wrote: »
    I don't think so. It's what happened when they launched fleet ships...which were better versions of existing ships. I am willing to bet that the next batch of T6 ships will be classic ships or previously existing ships.
    In the live stream yesterday someone asked about a T6 Intrepid and they answered it in a way that made me think we'll see one and more.

    I don't think comparing a new tier to Fleet ships is a valid comparison. After all, the new T6 Intelligence ships are going to have Fleet versions.

    Maybe if there's enough backlash at not having the primary series ships (Enterprise-D/Defiant/Voyager) at highest tier, they might consider those. But how would that work? Would it be an (second) upgrade from T5-U? A brand new C-Store purchase? All this for an extra BOff seat and a gimmick ability. It's almost assured that the main canon ships are only going to be T5-U and not T6, so it would have to be something added in the future.

    Now, if they wanted to revisit the concept of a multi-variable ship, well, maybe. But probably not a multi-variable advanced escort, as that is a particular type of ship engendered in the Prometheus and its type. They did so with the Haakona in pretty much a cruiser class, though I feel that only 2 of its modes felt at all useful (its combined mode was slower than slow), though the split parts were at least both maneuverable and could take some damage.

    It's not like I wouldn't mind being proven wrong. I just wouldn't hold my breath. I'm personally fine with flying some of my favourite ships at T5-U, though, instead of T6.
  • pwecangetlostpwecangetlost Member Posts: 538 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I assumed the OP was talking about a totally new ship with a mva mode, which would be pretty cool. I could dig that.
  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I don't think comparing a new tier to Fleet ships is a valid comparison. After all, the new T6 Intelligence ships are going to have Fleet versions.

    Maybe if there's enough backlash at not having the primary series ships (Enterprise-D/Defiant/Voyager) at highest tier, they might consider those. But how would that work? Would it be an (second) upgrade from T5-U? A brand new C-Store purchase? All this for an extra BOff seat and a gimmick ability. It's almost assured that the main canon ships are only going to be T5-U and not T6, so it would have to be something added in the future.

    Now, if they wanted to revisit the concept of a multi-variable ship, well, maybe. But probably not a multi-variable advanced escort, as that is a particular type of ship engendered in the Prometheus and its type. They did so with the Haakona in pretty much a cruiser class, though I feel that only 2 of its modes felt at all useful (its combined mode was slower than slow), though the split parts were at least both maneuverable and could take some damage.

    It's not like I wouldn't mind being proven wrong. I just wouldn't hold my breath. I'm personally fine with flying some of my favourite ships at T5-U, though, instead of T6.

    Like I said they hinted at it in the live stream
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  • rearllrearll Member Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I assumed the OP was talking about a totally new ship with a mva mode, which would be pretty cool. I could dig that.

    You assumed correctly, sir.
  • mandarsmashmandarsmash Member Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Like I said they hinted at it in the live stream

    Then great. But at that point, I do have a lot of questions as to how they'll charge for it, and if they would make it in time for the DR pack. As someone who supports this game and has already purchased the DR pack, if the main hero ships aren't included and the 3 upgrade tokens can't be used to make them T6 (or T6 versions aren't announced before DR goes live, and everyone uses the included tokens on other ships), I'd feel let down.

    It also brings into question what the worth of T5-U is at all, if some ships can upgrade all the way to T6 and yet others can only get T5-U for no reason other than "these are the ships from the show." I think it would be a bad decision, as currently, all the end game ships, hero or not, are at the same tier. If I can get a T6 Galaxy, Defiant, or Intrepid, why can't I get a Vesta or Sovereign or MVAE? If I can get a Vesta or Sovy, why can't I get a Patrol Escort? And so on. Investment is investment, whether the ship ever appeared in an episode or not.

    So unless the plan is to free upgrade every ship that gets T5-U to T6 down the line, making T6 versions of just some T5 ships sounds like a terrible idea. If the plan is to make every ship eventually T6, then why not just let us know, and then work on them in batches? It's problematic.

    As for the OP, I was confused by your usage of the term MVAE, where AE stands for Advanced Escort, which is a specific subset of ship. I did, however, use the wrong term previously, as MV stands for Multi-Vector, not Variable. In any case, the MV concept is fun, and I'd love to see it make its way to another (new) ship design. In the MVAE, though, it's a bit underpowered, due to splitting in 3. The Haakona is better off with splitting into 2 tougher ships, though the penalty is that the combined mode is a cow on rollerblades. I've never understood how the Scimitar is so much more agile than the Haakona.

    Having hanger-pet-like control of the ships would require a redesign of how they do this (and saucer/chevron) ship splitting in the game engine and may actually take considerable work. It would be fantastic, though.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    All the faction ships should have had a T6 equivalent, not T5u.

    I do think that will happen.

    After people have spent time, money, resources upgrading their T5u ships and leveled them :D
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  • dpsloss88dpsloss88 Member Posts: 765 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Seems like a no brainer for them to release t6 versions of all the ships at a rate of about 1 a month. They would sell like hot cakes.
  • sqwishedsqwished Member Posts: 1,475 Bug Hunter
    edited October 2014
    Whilst I'm not overly keen on the new designs. It would be interesting to see what the guys with the crayons at cryptic could come up with. The only thing would be the AI. It really does need an overhaul.
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  • lowy1lowy1 Member Posts: 964 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    A T-6 Refit of a ship would be a money maker for them. First the development costs would be almost nil and with the T5U all they are doing is adding a BoFF slot. The ship trait while nice isn't necessary since there will be other avenues to get them.
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  • rearllrearll Member Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    OK,

    Re-visiting this!

    Could I get a reply from someone in the know as to if this is even on the cards?

    Bear with me, I'm thinking:

    Trident class (Trident as in 3, i.e. split into 3 vectors) - The trident is the weapon of Poseidon, or Neptune.

    All new design (I like the look of the Intel ships, so would love a similar themed T6 MVAE ship.)

    Following stats:
    • Built in Vector mode, like the built in cloak on the Eclipse and Phantom, so it doesnt use a console slot.
    • 4 fore weapons
    • 4 Aft weapons
    • [Can equip dual cannons]
    • 3 device slots
    • Base Hull: 42500 at lvl 50, 51000 at lvl 60
    • Shield modifer: 1
    • Turn rate: 16
    • Crew: 250
    • Impulse: 0.22
    • Bridge officer layout the same as Phantom Intel Escort

    Consoles layout:
    • 3x Engineering
    • 3x Science
    • 4x Tactical

    Bonus power:
    • +15 Weapons power (When in MVAM)
    • +10 turn rate (When in MVAM)

    When in MVAM mode, the other vectors can be told how to behave - i.e.
    • Escort the vector you are commmanding
    • Attack selected target

    Second deflector slot too if possible!
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