The Tailor As Of Delta Rising Release :mad:

rachelj88 · October 2014

Dear Cryptic,

As of Delta Rising, I'm completely disgraced by the thought and actions that have gone into the updating of the tailor.

*removed due to the fact this won't get changed*

*below is my priority as this is truely vile*
First on my list is the gross and vile update to the swimsuits... two words... Camel Toe. its vile cryptic... absolutely vile. filth degrading filth, sexist filth.

I am doing my very best to keep playing, but as a tailor addict (someone who uses the tailor A lot) I find it difficult to grasp what the hell you just did to one of my favourite aspects of Star Trek Online.

I feel violated Cryptic, my biggest wish right now is for you to revert the tailor back to pre-delta rising, it maybe now impossible... but now is the case for me to even fathom playing the game with such disregard for any Women playing this game.

I am utterly disgraced.

Not so Much Kind Regards At All

:mad:

RachelJ88

*p.s. I am not un-aware that many like these new changes but, I do stand by my view that the body model has changed significantly and no matter what I do with the sliders I cannot get my desired *look*.

Most significantly is the leg model where no matter how much I decrease the Hip width I still end up with a gap so wide between my legs from high thighs to my knee, that Luke Skywalker could make an attack run in his X-Wing.

jodarkrider · October 2014

Excuse me? The tailor finally allows to make females, who don't smuggle balloons under their uniforms and have oversized butt, and you think it's bad? It's what went through my head, when you mentioned 'sexist filth'.

Before all the additional sliders, it was impossible to not make a sexualized female in some fashion, now we finally have more variety, and I'll be damned if Cryptic reverts to the old TRIBBLE (no offence) we had before. How about, instead of nitpicking on the sliders names, you go and try to play with the sliders, to get a desired character...?

:rolleyes:

westx211 · October 2014

I'm sorry what? This has got to new one of the most different rants about leaving the game I've ever seen.

gurluas · October 2014

The female Miner pants have been changed a lot, and now have a brown/green smudge at the crotch.

I don't like these changes either tbh.

artan42 · October 2014

I like 'em. The ability to widen the waist of my Andorian Female is nice.

adamkafei · October 2014

I have to agree with the other posters here, I think the new sliders and the slider arrangement is a heaven send (not that I believe in deities other than maybe Q) sure I had to make some emergency fixes to my character when it launched... the resulting shoulder to hip ratio was hideous but having fixed that and fine tuned other areas of my character she now looks the best I've ever managed, obviously there are some things I'd like to reduce the visibility of (like the bulges under the eyes) but nothing on the scale of what it was before.

I haven't yet done the anatomical fine tuning that comes with the swim suit so I haven't seen the camel toe you mention in your post but equally I'm not making her for that 'feature' so I likely wont care about it either way but that's just me.

EDIT: Having now looked into any constructive anatomical fine tuning and found none to be done, I have still not come across this camel toe 'feature' so I can only assume it is the result of your use of sliders, that said as I try to get as close to a natural form as possible, it could be me.

generalmoco · October 2014

Haters always gonna hate...

So many haters in game...

*goes back to catering*

nemesischiken · October 2014

gurluas wrote: »

I don't like these changes either tbh.

Me either

Unknown · October 2014

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cerritourug · October 2014

I like the new slider, gives players more options and bearly changed our characters.

But I agree with the OP on the fact that the camel toe in the swimsuits are not a good adition.. to me its seems like an accident, but the camel toe is there.

This is from my trill character:
cameltoe.jpg~original

I try to change the sliders to min and maxs, the camel toe is still there with all the most swimsuits (not only bikinis).

adamkafei wrote: »

EDIT: Having now looked into any constructive anatomical fine tuning and found none to be done, I have still not come across this camel toe 'feature' so I can only assume it is the result of your use of sliders, that said as I try to get as close to a natural form as possible, it could be me.

Camel toe is there with all type of sliders.. no matter what you do. Like I said, its seems to be a "bug", but is there.

rachelj88 · October 2014

There is also major clipping of most outfit pieces as of delta rising, this has to be because of the body model changing, from the risian shorts to nearly all calf high boots clipping with ALL loose long pants.

And also the T'pol outfit no longer matches between the top and bottoms... obvious line between and a slight gap betweem them. And yet there are forum users who like these changes?

jodarkrider · October 2014

rachelj88 wrote: »

There is also major clipping of most outfit pieces as of delta rising, this has to be because of the body model changing, from the risian shorts to nearly all calf high boots clipping with ALL loose long pants.

And also the T'pol outfit no longer matches between the top and bottoms... obvious line between and a slight gap betweem them. And yet there are forum users who like these changes?

Headdesk.

Glitches will be fixed. Will take time, but I'm willing to wait for it, than to go to the horrible TRIBBLE we had before.

pulserazor · October 2014

Thanks for pointing this out, I had no idea.

Isn't it ironic how sexism works?

jexsamx · October 2014

rachelj88 wrote: »

truely vile

rachelj88 wrote: »

gross and vile

rachelj88 wrote: »

its vile cryptic... absolutely vile. filth degrading filth, sexist filth.

rachelj88 wrote: »

I feel violated

rachelj88 wrote: »

such disregard for any Women playing this game.

I wasn't aware I was on Tumblr.

rachelj88 wrote: »

I'm completely disgraced

rachelj88 wrote: »

I am utterly disgraced.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

azniadeet · October 2014

The swimsuits in general seem to be kinda wonky. All of the edges on them seem jagged and oddly cut... Hopefully they just fix it by the time Risa rolls around again.

adamkafei · October 2014

cerritourug wrote: »

Camel toe is there with all type of sliders.. no matter what you do. Like I said, its seems to be a "bug", but is there.

I see, I still don't have that issue though, that might have something to do with the cute pose my character uses, but my Betazoid doesn't have a thigh gap that wide.

See sliders:
(Section 1)

(Section 2)

See results:
(Cute)

(Standard)

All pictures were taken on max settings, although the last two were scaled up for ease of viewing.

tiro100 · October 2014

jexsamx wrote: »

I wasn't aware I was on Tumblr.

I am now at my desk at work, laughing inappropriately.

siriusmusictown · October 2014

I agree with OP. That goes against me libertine history, but I guess I have my preferences.

I have also worked with the sliders to minimize these body effects, but I basically want a toggle bar set up to turn them off. The overall effect makes my altos and BOFs look too Barbie doll like, or occasionally like hentai in some outfits. :mad:

I would also like sliders to add love handles / muffin tops to make my team look more like actual Fleet. Also the arm muscles and calf muscles for FED / ROM don't slide enough to make commandos that look like actual people I knew. Just a thought for consideration.:rolleyes:

jodarkrider · October 2014

siriusmusictown wrote: »

I agree with OP. That goes against me libertine history, but I guess I have my preferences.

I have also worked with the sliders to minimize these body effects, but I basically want a toggle bar set up to turn them off. The overall effect makes my altos and BOFs look too Barbie doll like, or occasionally like hentai in some outfits. :mad:

I would also like sliders to add love handles / muffin tops to make my team look more like actual Fleet. Also the arm muscles and calf muscles for FED / ROM don't slide enough to make commandos that look like actual people I knew. Just a thought for consideration.:rolleyes:

The females were much more sexualized/barbie dolls without the additional sliders. People like you clearly haven't tried the new sliders just yet & scream 'barbie dolls' because we have sliders which you don't like because how they are named.

The STO female model is modelled in certain way; which means, for us to be able to adjust certain parts, they had to add separate sliders, which aren't necessary on males. There's imo nothing intentionally 'sexualized' on the sliders' names, and they in fact, offer much more variety than before.

Ideally? I too wish the TRIBBLE were toggable thing on females, yes. As proper uniform can hide curves just nicely. But, for now, I like the direction the model is taking, it feels less rushed, and that we finally get the art team to make improvements on the females, as joejing himself said, before, all assets were made for males, and they then had barely any time to do them for females, which means we got crappier, less quality products on female characters. Does that TRIBBLE me off? Yes.

But, in my life, I learn to appreciate small things. This is a clear improvement, offering more varierty & I hope to see those improvements coming in the future, so the female model is more up to par with the quality of male one one day.

PS: To these "gamergurls", feeling violated - My physical sex female as well. Won't go into the whole, how I don't give a TRIBBLE about 'gender', as a societal construct here, anyhow.. So don't you even try to push some as if wannabe femainist TRIBBLE, especially when you don't even bother actually trying the new options we've got with the model improvements.

PPS: I was/am also one of the most vocal forumites screaming 'sexualization of females' and it's been my 'fight' in the last year. Before you shoot me down with some equally relevant argument.

rachelj88 · October 2014

jodarkrider wrote: »

The females were much more sexualized/barbie dolls without the additional sliders. People like you clearly haven't tried the new sliders just yet & scream 'barbie dolls' because we have sliders which you don't like because how they are named.

The STO female model is modelled in certain way; which means, for us to be able to adjust certain parts, they had to add separate sliders, which aren't necessary on males. There's imo nothing intentionally 'sexualized' on the sliders' names, and they in fact, offer much more variety than before.

Ideally? I too wish the TRIBBLE were toggable thing on females, yes. As proper uniform can hide curves just nicely. But, for now, I like the direction the model is taking, it feels less rushed, and that we finally get the art team to make improvements on the females, as joejing himself said, before, all assets were made for males, and they then had barely any time to do them for females, which means we got crappier, less quality products on female characters. Does that TRIBBLE me off? Yes.

But, in my life, I learn to appreciate small things. This is a clear improvement, offering more varierty & I hope to see those improvements coming in the future, so the female model is more up to par with the quality of male one one day.

PS: To these "gamergurls", feeling violated - My physical sex female as well. Won't go into the whole, how I don't give a TRIBBLE about 'gender', as a societal construct here, anyhow.. So don't you even try to push some as if wannabe femainist TRIBBLE, especially when you don't even bother actually trying the new options we've got with the model improvements.

PPS: I was/am also one of the most vocal forumites screaming 'sexualization of females' and it's been my 'fight' in the last year. Before you shoot me down with some equally relevant argument.

I have actually tried to get my desired body shape... several times now. Hence why i decided to post my discontent on the forum.

I have nearly 200 outfits I am not going through each outfit to move a slider just so I can fix something that did not need fixing before Delta Rising.

RachelJ88

jodarkrider · October 2014

rachelj88 wrote: »

I have actually tried to get my desired body shape... several times now. Hence why i decided to post my discontent on the forum.

I have nearly 200 outfits I am not going through each outfit to move a slider just so I can fix something that did not need fixing before Delta Rising.

RachelJ88

rachelj88 wrote: »

I am doing my very best to keep playing, but as a tailor addict (someone who uses the tailor A lot) ...

Which goes counter to your original statement in your OP, as supposedly you are the person, spending a lot of time in tailor. So, since you are not even willing to explore the new sliders, what exactly do you do in tailor?

So what is it? Just to complain on forum? I don't understand your agenda anymore. And don't even want to.

Dear devs, please keep improving things.

PS: I agree the legs have an 'X' syndrome now, and I pointed that to joejing, so hopefully the fix is coming. Some of us actually provide feedback and glitches issues to the devs, so they can improve things. Some others complain about not enough 'female words in the dictionary'... oops... about sliders names.

rachelj88 · October 2014

Ok I understand that this forum post is more on the boundary of utter rage, but I am and still rather annoyed with the changes.

I spend alot of my time in the tailor, generally revamping or making new outfits.

I have several characters each with their own style set, I just found the changes overwhelming. I can equally understand the replies to my post but the trolling doesn't exactly help.

I know that I raged and deserve the equally rage/trolling replies.

Just genuinely disapointed that many parts of the tailor where *fixed* that didnt need fixing at all, ruining over half of all of my characters outfits.

RachelJ88

kharlis · October 2014

rachelj88 wrote: »

Dear Cryptic,
Most significantly is the leg model where no matter how much I decrease the Hip width I still end up with a gap so wide between my legs from high thighs to my knee, that Luke Skywalker could make an attack run in his X-Wing.

Priceless!!!

I have not used the new costume settings much but I was pleasantly surprised with the extra details that are possible.

Hopefully the situation will be resolved in a way that will not offfend the gamers.

While I do like a good Camel Toe, they have never been a factor in my enjoyment of this game. In fact, I can think of a number of better places to find them.

The Tailor As Of Delta Rising Release :mad:

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