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Is a Scimitar Beam Boat with a Scientist Captain Viable?
hydraface
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I've tried a couple of Scimittar builds. At first, I almost ignored the science aspects of my Captain and just went with a Dual-Beam build Scimitar and it was fun, but felt like I wasn't making the most of my character, and I wanted to try those science skills.
Next up, torpedo boat with an abundance of science powers. It's...ok, but craning the ship around to get targets in the limited arc of those torpedoes is laborious (similar to the DB scim)
I'd like to give it a go using beam arrrays with that nice wide firing arc. I think the hardest thing to do will be to juggle the power levels effectively. But IS it possible, can it be effective?
Does anyone have any experince tryng to do a beam-ey scimitar for a science-career Rommy? And more importantly...did it work? I'm mostly looking for something effective in PvE, but PvP's a challenge I'd like to tackle furtehr down the line if it'd be practicable in this set-up. I have the three-set Scimitar bundle with all consoles and could likely spring for any rep-sets if needs be. I'm unsure on what weapon type to go for or which set would be most effective with this build.
Any advice and help is very much welcome!
Next up, torpedo boat with an abundance of science powers. It's...ok, but craning the ship around to get targets in the limited arc of those torpedoes is laborious (similar to the DB scim)
I'd like to give it a go using beam arrrays with that nice wide firing arc. I think the hardest thing to do will be to juggle the power levels effectively. But IS it possible, can it be effective?
Does anyone have any experince tryng to do a beam-ey scimitar for a science-career Rommy? And more importantly...did it work? I'm mostly looking for something effective in PvE, but PvP's a challenge I'd like to tackle furtehr down the line if it'd be practicable in this set-up. I have the three-set Scimitar bundle with all consoles and could likely spring for any rep-sets if needs be. I'm unsure on what weapon type to go for or which set would be most effective with this build.
Any advice and help is very much welcome!
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For PvP, as I understand it, since I suck at PvP, you only need 2 special consoles to be tough. So, I'll stick to PvE builds which I have good experience with.
For PvE, you do not need any of the special scimitar consoles at all with a beam boat, though I will say that the one from the valdore can be very helpful.
Both PvE builds/ setups, one using double A2B and the other without, are very different, but I have attained essentially the same DPS with both.
A2B
CDR Tac TT1, APB1, BFAW3, APB3
LT Eng EPTS1, A2B1
LT Sci HE1, ST2
LCDR Uni ET1, A2B1, EPTW3
ENS Uni PH1
Non-A2B
CDR Tac TT1, APB1, BFAW3, APB3
LT Eng EPTS1, EPTW2
LT Sci HE1, TSS2
LCDR Uni TT1, APB1, BFAW3
ENS Uni ET1
There are many variations on each that suit certain player preferences that work, so use the above as a guide.
Doffs.....
For A2B: 3 purple technicians (A2B) and 2 development lab scientists (ST)
For Non-A2B: 3 purple DCEs (EPTx) and 2 maintenance lab techs (ET)
Fill in the 6th slot with your choice.
Although some players have a overcapping beam boat setup that dishes out incredible DPS without using the console from the valdore, I find it's too flimsy without it, so you decide whether you want to roll the dice for more DPS or surviving more.
In a beam boat build, if you aren't used to grabbing aggro from everything around you, you are in for a rude awakening to tanking. Expect that you'll have 5 plasma torpedoes shot at you in quick succession in ISE when you start shooting spheres. Be ready to activate hull heals and polarize hull. Also, consider using quantum absorption to give you more time to heal up or warp shadows to temporarily drop aggro.
Now, I HAVE seen a well-specced sci Captain in a Tulwar use the thalaron gun to 1-shot Oddys. No joke. The trick is to unload all of your debuffs and CC, hit secondary shields, and then power up the green doom. You need some guards to keep away escorts but it's hilariously fun in the right situation. VERY situational and not very good overall, though.
Try a cannon Scimi specced for tanking, that can put out around 10k DPS with a decent build and still survive the dreaded invisatorps on Elite.
On the second, it is a flawless and damn near invincible predator capable of soloing with optionals most ESTFs in PvE, and a vaper to rival Minimax in PvP.
No other ship defines P2W in STO as much as the Scim. None. With good reason - it can pull 19k DPS on standard gear in ISE. Fully spec it and they do 80k and beyond...
Just don't do a remake of Shinzon's Scim, he used single cannons, and lost to Picard, a Sovvy pilot who couldn't even manage a basic Cube on his own, when properly built his ship can take upwards of 5 basic Cubes at once.
I think I will NOT go with A2B, I want to make the most of those science abilities as well as making an effort to pack a punch.
I'm going to try some o fthis out, but I think I want to go with The advanced Reman set, I want to keep true to my Romulan Roots (Unless that'd be a REALLY bad idea for any reason?
Let's see how it goes...
Worst set in game?
Some options:
1)
- Elite Fleet Deflector (with 10% CD on all sci powers)
- Nukara Engine + Shields
2)
- Elite Fleet Deflector
- Romulan Advanced Prototype Engines
- Fleet Elite Shields (with ResB)
3)
- Borg Deflector + Engine
- Fleet Elite Shields
1-3)
-> Warpcore: Elite Fleet Thoron-Infused Singularity Core Mk XII [AMP] [Res] [SCap] [SingC] [SST]
4) low budget
Solanae Set -> way better then the Reman set for a beam scimi + sci captain combo
Good plan.
Bad plan.
If you want to make the LCDR uni station for science, it's going to gimp the DPS potential of the Scimitar. If you are comfortable with that, then it should be viable with the Ensign Uni station for tactical to give it CDR and ENS tactical.
Something like.....
CDR Tac TT1, APB1, BFAW3, APB3
LT Eng EPTW1, EPTS2
LT Sci HE1, ES1
LCDR Sci HE1, TR1, GW1
ENS Uni TT1
It's got double tac team for shield re-orientation, and double attack patterns, so you still need to consider energy weapon officers to help get BFAW up more often if you can fit that in. It's also only using one copy of energy siphon to go with deflector DOFFs to proc to lower the CD on grav well or tykens rift. It's not much, but it might be the direction you'd find suitable.
It will need 2 or 3 energy weapon officers to reduce beam special attack cooldowns to fire off BFAW more often.
It should feel a bit like a less maneuverable, but science heavy, avenger/ mogh, so beam arrays will be an obvious fit. Going science, you might even consider a drain heavy setup with polaron based weapons, maybe dominion polarons.
I use two myself, one with a tac, one with a sci both in PvP. They do great with cannons, beams are wasted potential.
Beams with FAW spam artificially inflates DPS. My DHCmitard with crappy protonic polaron guns parses 10k, but kills things faster than a 30k DPS FAWmitard.
That's 2 totally different play styles, targeting philosophies, positioning, etc. It's apples to oranges.
Both have their advantages and disadvantages.
So The Adv Romulan set ain't worth a damn? Ok. That seems to be a strong concensus, and while I appreciate the ''play how you want' philosophy, I kind of want to balance that with not grinding my butt off (Having typed that it seems like an odd thing to say, sorry for the mental image folks) to get something that won't be a whole lotta use.
I'll follow the suggestion of having a ship that's all about the power drain and going full polaron as suggested by Worffan and Rayakadrys (I'm gonna take a close look at that suggested BOFF layout too and give it a try after I've figured out what all the acronyms mean).
That all makes at least a 2-piece Jem'Hadar set seem suddenly tempting, especially since you can get it as a mission reward (I prefer getting stuff like that than doing the laborious, day-after-day grinds). Is there anything else that's not tediously grind-intensive that'd offer a decent boost to a polaron-armed sci-mitar?
I've got a good feeling about this, I'm once again getting excited about taking my Scimitar out for a spin and enjoying the game again, so all this advice is very much appreciated!
I've gone for a half-measure and loaded up on Polaron Dual-Beam arrays with the Jem'Hadar set. Having a top rated RCS and the takyokinetic converter consoles, the ship is agile enough to sport these and be able to consistently draw a bead on watever I want to target, AND spt out a decent amount of hurt.
It's a lot of fun to fly (and the JH set looks funky), and I'm going to dedicate myself to doing the fine-tuning needed to make it at least half-way viable in PvP.
Thanks for the advcie to anyone who offered it, it's made flying my scimmi fun again!
The tired old "artificial dps" thing has been completely refuted, so you guys should really stop saying it. Yes, there is some wasted dps from BFAW, but it amounts to such a small amount that even if you took it out of the parse, we would STILL have Beam Scimitars leagues above anything else.
Not to mention, the 30k channel has plenty of folks, myself included, who have DHC setups that are capable of 20-30k in ISE. So that statement about a 10k DHC scimitar doing more "effective" DPS than a 30k beam scimitar is laughable.
You guys love to talk about "wasted potential", the only truly wasted potential is sticking 5 DHC's on a Scimitar and trying to pilot it like an escort.
To the OP: Yes, any captain in a BFAW Scimitar can do amazing damage and be viable. If you would like, feel free to contact me in game Nalah@lbz69 and we can discuss builds.
Scimitar Barbie! Everything else is just a toy!
(Think small soldiers meets sto)