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When will we be able to Explore again please ?

allfather777allfather777 Member Posts: 285 Arc User
edited October 2014 in The Academy
Hi Sir, :D

Besides "Delta Rising", which is an Expansion, when will we be able to Explore Nebula's again please ?

I Was Levelling 25 Toons by Exploring in the Nebula's... so I'm kinda lost now ! :(

Thanks in advance for your answers ! :)


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  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    probably not for a long time, if ever.
  • fatman592fatman592 Member Posts: 1,207 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    They delete exploration content because players were getting lost, and now a player is lost without the exploration content.

    The cycle is complete.

    Anyway, the short answer is never.

    There are other ways to explore though, so I guess my advice would be to do as the Borg do, adapt. Story content, doffing, R&D material hunting, accolade hunting, PvP [shudders], and RP [convulses in agony at the thought] are all out there for you.

    Find something you like and hope they don't get rid of that, or just move on to a different game I guess.
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  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Actually they pulled them because the constant bug reports piled up too high for even Cryptic to ignore.... So they deleted the content rather than deal with the bugs.
  • bubblebaflebubblebafle Member Posts: 273 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    rodentmaster wrote: »
    Actually they pulled them because the constant bug reports piled up too high for even Cryptic to ignore.... So they deleted the content rather than deal with the bugs.

    They deleted exploration clusters because they needed "space" to keep the game engine active without exploding, so they deleted the exploration clusters. It is the fast way. And the devs argued that the reason was that new players found exploration clusters confusing. I mean, of course that is not the real reason.. but that is what they said more or less. I dont think we will ever see something like exploration clusters ever..
  • atlmyklatlmykl Member Posts: 305 Arc User1
    edited October 2014
    allfather777 wrote: »
    Hi Sir, :D

    Besides "Delta Rising", which is an Expansion, when will we be able to Explore Nebula's again please ?

    I Was Levelling 25 Toons by Exploring in the Nebula's... so I'm kinda lost now ! :(

    Thanks in advance for your answers ! :)


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    The nebula's/ star clusters were not exploration. It was a random kill 5 of these or collect 5 of these. Calling that exploration is a lack of understanding of the word. The foundry is the best source for exploration mission. Many are very good and unique. Unique being key in exploration.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    atlmykl wrote: »
    The nebula's/ star clusters were not exploration. It was a random kill 5 of these or collect 5 of these. Calling that exploration is a lack of understanding of the word. The foundry is the best source for exploration mission. Many are very good and unique. Unique being key in exploration.
    The nebulas had a few things that we don't see often elsewhere, such as coral themed maps.

    But, yeah, for the most part, even an average foundry mission has a better story.

    Anyways, players often underestimate the amount of data that the exploration missions actually represented. the game engine is not, and never has been capable of building a complete mission on the fly. The "random" missions were actually drawn from a pool of thousands of possibilities. that's a lot of game data for a minor feature.
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  • capnmanxcapnmanx Member Posts: 1,452 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    atlmykl wrote: »
    The nebula's/ star clusters were not exploration. It was a random kill 5 of these or collect 5 of these. Calling that exploration is a lack of understanding of the word. The foundry is the best source for exploration mission. Many are very good and unique. Unique being key in exploration.

    No. Setting off into the unknown and not knowing what you are going to find is key in exploration. That means, among other things, not sitting in space and picking the mission you want off a list (especially lists that offer little descriptions telling you what each mission about).

    Having better stories does not make a thing exploration. Having more unique content does not make a thing exploration. Having to actually go explore yourself (instead of just being told that you are by mission text) makes a thing exploration.

    ---EDIT---

    But to answer the OP's question: probably not any time soon, if ever.
    My old (and now mostly obsolete) exploration suggestions thread. Give it a read. :)
  • lystentlystent Member Posts: 1,019
    edited October 2014
    I miss the clusters...
  • lystentlystent Member Posts: 1,019
    edited October 2014
    capnmanx wrote: »
    Having better stories does not make a thing exploration. Having more unique content does not make a thing exploration. Having to actually go explore yourself (instead of just being told that you are by mission text) makes a thing exploration.

    Agreed. These starships were not built for the sole purpose of war; they are exploration vessels!
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Exploration was removed because people got lost exploring.

    Additionally, apparently they do not know how to look at maps and figure out where they are. They were probably pissed off that Cryptic did not offer Garmin or TomTom GPS devices so that they can locate where they are on the map. Or offer a Google Map app option.
  • lystentlystent Member Posts: 1,019
    edited October 2014
    jaguarskx wrote: »
    Exploration was removed because people got lost exploring.

    Additionally, apparently they do not know how to look at maps and figure out where they are. They were probably pissed off that Cryptic did not offer Garmin or TomTom GPS devices so that they can locate where they are on the map. Or offer a Google Map app option.

    If I actually gotten lost, I would've liked it. How else are you suppose to get people to stop and smell some roses?
  • wildweasalwildweasal Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    atlmykl wrote: »
    The nebula's/ star clusters were not exploration. It was a random kill 5 of these or collect 5 of these. Calling that exploration is a lack of understanding of the word. The foundry is the best source for exploration mission. Many are very good and unique. Unique being key in exploration.

    i agree they should just bring them back ....and tie them into the clusters so that when you pick a cluster in the zone it is tied to a foundry mission Lord knows there are enough of them
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  • cepinaricepinari Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    There's always the System Patrol missions.
  • kozar2kozar2 Member Posts: 602 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Ya, you would think that opening an entirely new part of space of which the Federation has almost no knowledge of would suggest a lot of exploring was about to occur. You would think that. You'd be wrong but you'd think that.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    cepinari wrote: »
    There's always the System Patrol missions.

    Which are being expanded considerably with DR and given a proper reward scheme too. When you get to the delta quadrant just close your eyes, fly around for a bit, play whatever system patrol is nearest and you'll have a good time (especially if you thought the old system of "exploration" wasn't awful in every way)
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    wildweasal wrote: »
    i agree they should just bring them back ....and tie them into the clusters so that when you pick a cluster in the zone it is tied to a foundry mission Lord knows there are enough of them

    So I take it you're just grinding through the standard alpha quadrant system patrols because those 5-point scanning/kill missions were just such a fun and integral part of the STO experience.

    What, you're NOT?! Then why the hell do you want that sad level of content back?
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    fatman592 wrote: »
    They delete exploration content because players were getting lost, and now a player is lost without the exploration content.

    The cycle is complete.

    Anyway, the short answer is never.

    There are other ways to explore though, so I guess my advice would be to do as the Borg do, adapt. Story content, doffing, R&D material hunting, accolade hunting, PvP [shudders], and RP [convulses in agony at the thought] are all out there for you.

    Find something you like and hope they don't get rid of that, or just move on to a different game I guess.

    That statement is a terrible statement about the STO playerbase, really. How people got lost in Exploration Clusters amazed me.
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  • ashstorm1ashstorm1 Member Posts: 679 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    atlmykl wrote: »
    The nebula's/ star clusters were not exploration. It was a random kill 5 of these or collect 5 of these. Calling that exploration is a lack of understanding of the word. The foundry is the best source for exploration mission. Many are very good and unique. Unique being key in exploration.

    Foundry sure has potential... Although you must first filter the farming missions, the accolade missions, the random/silly content, the unvolontarily bad content, the bugged/unfinished content, and the troll content... Am i missing something?
  • atlmyklatlmykl Member Posts: 305 Arc User1
    edited October 2014
    ashstorm1 wrote: »
    Foundry sure has potential... Although you must first filter the farming missions, the accolade missions, the random/silly content, the unvolontarily bad content, the bugged/unfinished content, and the troll content... Am i missing something?

    Yes. The foundry has a search function with filters.
  • rynohawkrynohawk Member Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    That statement is a terrible statement about the STO playerbase, really. How people got lost in Exploration Clusters amazed me.

    I know right? You were in a boxed instance with four sides that will allow you to warp back to the adjoining sector map. If you "get lost" or "confused" just keep flying straight ahead until you hit the edge of the map. You could even hit the "Warp to Sector Space" button if you were really lost.

    Anyone who was that lost and confused probably should not be captain of a starship. Anyone who was that lost and confused probably should not be allowed to drive a car. ;)
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    fatman592 wrote: »
    They delete exploration content because players were getting lost, and now a player is lost without the exploration content.

    The cycle is complete.

    Anyway, the short answer is never.

    There are other ways to explore though, so I guess my advice would be to do as the Borg do, adapt. Story content, doffing, R&D material hunting, accolade hunting, PvP [shudders], and RP [convulses in agony at the thought] are all out there for you.

    Find something you like and hope they don't get rid of that, or just move on to a different game I guess.

    It is my belief that they removed exploration clusters because they provided ready access to crafting mats. Their removal allowed cryptic to put elite queues, and "R&D packs" from the cstore at the head of the line.
  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I was reading a Star Trek novel...its the one that introduce Captain Dax and the Aventine...dont remember the name off the top of my head but in it the Borg were attacking the Federation and all but two ships were pulled back from exploration to aid in the war.
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  • ghyudtghyudt Member Posts: 1,112 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    When did we have exploration?
  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    ashstorm1 wrote: »
    Foundry sure has potential... Although you must first filter the farming missions, the accolade missions, the random/silly content, the unvolontarily bad content, the bugged/unfinished content, and the troll content... Am i missing something?

    Or, you can just hop straight to the featured foundry missions that all give a bonus 2k-ish dil the first play per day and never see any of that TRIBBLE. Given we get new ones added pretty often, there's quite a list and all of those authors have multiple finished stories to play through.

    By the time you finish all of them, its easy enough to find the foundry forum and get pointed to missions there. Totally avoiding all of the pitfalls of the search function.

    That said, you missedmone category of bad foundry content: the missions the latest foundry patch broke.
  • nickcastletonnickcastleton Member Posts: 1,212 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    khan5000 wrote: »
    I was reading a Star Trek novel...its the one that introduce Captain Dax and the Aventine...dont remember the name off the top of my head but in it the Borg were attacking the Federation and all but two ships were pulled back from exploration to aid in the war.

    God i hate those books but that's just my anger at killing off 90% of the federation and the Borg.

    anywho i doubt we will see them again but i have had fun exploring the sphere, its kind of like exploration and im hoping delta has a similar one.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    capnmanx wrote: »
    No. Setting off into the unknown and not knowing what you are going to find is key in exploration. That means, among other things, not sitting in space and picking the mission you want off a list (especially lists that offer little descriptions telling you what each mission about).

    Having better stories does not make a thing exploration. Having more unique content does not make a thing exploration. Having to actually go explore yourself (instead of just being told that you are by mission text) makes a thing exploration.

    ---EDIT---

    But to answer the OP's question: probably not any time soon, if ever.

    Someone who understands what exploration is. Kudos to you :)

    But having unknown variables in a game is nothing for the present day's "gamer". Too unfair, too hard, too confusing, too this, too that.
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