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Were was section 31 came to idea of "Temporal Ambassdor"
belkin222
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UFP losing war however Section 31 never allowed destroyed if they had anything to say about. They have ships at least smell fleet. They are as far must effective black ops agency in Alpha and Beta and Gam areas of the Galaxy. As far we know Dominion never know existed. Also they successful prevent the Dominion gain power in the UFP government. Romulus Star Empire, Klingon Empire both fell victim Dominion own black ops. Section 31 on top of that main reasons the Dominion did not win. Section 31 likley cause of Prax explodeding and play other major black ops roles.
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Google translate does not give actual language knowledge. Plus I have a sneaking suspicion it should be posted in Ten Forward anyway.
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1) Section 31 must maintain a small fleet of their own, which they used to help fight the Dominion.
2) Section 31 must be active in the Alpha, Beta, and Gamma Quadrants, and as far as we know, the Dominion didn't know Section 31 existed.
3) Section 31 was likely instrumental in protecting the Fedreration government from the Dominion (particularly Changeling infiltration?).
4) Section 31 likely sabotaged Praxis, the moon of Qo'noS.
I'm not sure what any of this has to do with "Temporal Ambassador," or indeed what the OP's point is, but that's my take on the post.
First you right account what try say. Issues is no talk Klingon Empire over came Section 31. Time and time again Klingon Empire easily target black ops. Tal Shair play type game nearly brought Klingon Empire to war with UFP. Dominion kind did job by itself. More importantly the Section 31 make Tal Shair to shame. The fact Section 31 able get spy into the Tal Shair member itself does sound well for the Tal Shair. Even we going to buy argument that Tal Shair itself own issue Dominion possible no aggressive pack. Another example of Section 31 at work Face of the enemy. Deanna Troi to make simple kidnap put mission against well aid Romulus refugees. Not least execute a member Tal Shair that Deanna Troi supposed do and not have the Tal Shair aware of it. Go into what this would require to do this they some beam Deanna Troi change body look Romulus in her sleep. First one get Deanna Trio on to Romulus warbird likely required Section 31 help. Replace Tal Shair officer Rebel might able carry out even though feeling require Section 31 help Dominion do it Section 31 likely do it as well. Section 31 number ways if saw fit bring Klingon Empire to it knees even war winning come black ops. Sisko could send smell team to exposed Dominion agent. Include make up names on own right add to Klingon date base. What stop Section 31 doing things lot worst maybe bio attack Klingon own culture against them. Or kill entire Klingon High council. Get rid replace important top general or Chancellor. Evidence Section 31 might done Yesterday Enterprise Timeline. They decide no talk about how Klingon Empire over came Section 31.
Essentially how Section 31 would take care of any threat to the Feds.
Problem argue that Section 31 lack we saw Section 31 Starship in Star Trek into darkness. Star Trek into darkness is cannon by the way.
'Also in Deep Space Nine Doctor in Deep space nine extreme measure talk about type cannon was super weapon in surprise and horror find out they want that far.
Wolf 359 explain by fact Starfleet command caught of guard no reason assume Section 31 have own mission doing able arrive in time. Same could the case with First contact. Both case likley spread pretty thin.
So question asked how did Klingon Empire overcome Section 31 no talk about if not be in the way all.
Worst Section 31 has infiltrate Romulus Star Empire Tal Shair without question once strong evidence that Section 31 done more then once.
"Yesterday's Enterprise" (TNG 3x15), the episode of the show that "Temporal Ambassador" is a sequel to, originally aired February 9th, 1990.
"Inquisition" (DS9 6x18), the first episode to reference Section 31, aired April 8th 1998.
That's just over eight years difference.
Two episodes written by two different people at two different times for two different TV shows. That's the same deal as complaining why no one prior to "Trials and Tribble-ations" made so much as a peep about The Department of Temporal Investigations. It hadn't been though up yet by the writers. And the Temporal Prime Directive would not exist until Voyager.
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You also have explain phase cloaking device. Means some secret department in starfleet well design and build working one.
Another factor Section 31 need fight fleet to fleet battles again accord Piracrd the six months the UFP might have no choice but surrender. Or order cause enough damage order keep war going for years to come. Destroy ship yard, bio-attacks cause star to go super Nova. Any these things enough bring Klingon Empire to it knees. By the way three Klingon warship attack USS Enterprise D combine Riker statement they should not be so confident special pacing we gave Archer IV. Suggestion UFP some keep that the Klingon Empire going lose. On top that USS Enterprise D down one BOP in few second phaser firing. If she not trying to defend USS Enterprise C she could down all three of them.
If going idea Section 31 did Yesterday Enterpise timeline or not point. Point that they know nastly things UFP enemies in order prevent UFP over run strong evidence fleet could nastily black ops wished.
First phase cloak device branch Starfleet intelligence. They also used term branch of Starfleet security. Means either Section 31 or an agency very much like it . Either case it unlikely phase cloak device project showdown. Must likley they attempting bring the UFP into a war with Romulus Star Empire. Besides the UFP allow us cloak mines see them Deep Space Nine.
As for biological attack Section 31 transport technology is invisible to all know sensor and does not leave a trace. Combine fact only Klingon of Nobel birth can set on the Klingon High council or at least council members must officer are from Nobel birth are except to rule same. Means boi attack could if spread easily infect entire Klingon government system and leave Klingon Empire in chaos. On top of that Section 31 likley pull stun like that hit must Klingon population biological attack. Section 31 has 10 to 100 starships. Beam agents on other planets and infect them. In practice might take few months if they going one starship it is doable.
Pircard statement say that Klingon win war he more like said they winning the war. Is different he statement six months we may have no choice but to surrender.
UFP lose rates stay the same rates and on top that Klingon Empire own lose rate stay the same.
Let say pacing Archer IV became the way average battle going in this war. Riker statement they no be so confident special after pacing we gave them Archer IV. Means that if the UFP able keep able to get those kind victories the Klingon Empire force to surrender. Of course Starfleet command no reason to make this kind assume. Of course this guessing the Klingon Empire not infect boi attack strong evidence they were.
Section 31 made all estimate wrong they blow shipyards. Making number Klingion warship being build and being able do repairs lot less. This low size working fleet Klingon Empire has available.
Martok requist officer core was because he did not have any noble blood. Means must officer parents are member high council. Again high council meets yearly basic at least more likley monthly basic. We saw event many amoung high ranking honor officer. Klingon longer amount contact one another blood riitus themlsves make easly target boilgical attack.
As for argue come Section 31 fleet size cloak device easily hide must fleet must of time.
Actually, section 31 does come under Starfleet's umbrella (more specifically Starfleet Intelligence), and aside from informants all section 31's agents/officers hold Starfleet rank hence they are able to commandeer ships for their purposes or get an admiral to order a captain to 'lease' their ship to section 31 if they refuse to cooperate. It's just convenient for starfleet admirals to say "we can neither confirm nor deny the existence of section 31" because they make the Tal Shiar look like friendly people.
As far as ships, given the difference in technology deployed by Starfleet and section 31 it would make sense for section 31 to have a number of ships permanently assigned and fitted for their purposes, if I had to guess I would suggest cloaking capability, top of the line sensors and weapons technology afterall, sometimes you need to get behind enemy lines, pinpoint your target amongst many and take it out, be that in space or on the ground and standard starfleet issue ships just can't do that without breaking various rules and in some cases lacking appropriate equipment.
Actually yeah, they were cloaked.