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Winners and losers of T5U?
dave18193
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Hi all, I was just pondering a discussion my fellow STO playing family members and I were having earlier; specifically which T5 ships will remain "competitive" after T6 hits. Personally, I hate the whole T5U system, but looking at some of the stats that have come off tribble I think a few ships might actually survive to get a new lease on life.
From what I've read, the biggest winner in my opinion is the B'Rel. 4 AMAZING traits and the 4th Tac console its always wanted. On top of that, with no T6 BoP yet it will be able to exploit this new power without opposition in the admittedly sparse KDF line-up.
On top of that, even if a T6 BoP arrives there is no guarantee it will have the Enhanced battle cloak. If it doesnt, the B'rel could fall back on that as its niche even if a T6 bop was superior in terms of stats.
Other potential "winners" are the Chimera, which gets a 5th Tac console and the same incredible traits while still retaining a unique niche (that of a heavy destroyer with a great unique console).
Many other ships which are currently of heroic awesomeness though will decline in relative power. To me, the Excelsior is the biggest example of this. 5th Eng console and four defensive (read: poorly scaled so as to be woefully inferior to the offensive traits), one of which is the appalling rapid repairs trait.
A bigger problem is that the Guardian, and especially the pending Fleet Guardian, will usurp its spot completely. Even if they decide to take stupid pills and give the Guardian-F a 5th eng console, its BOFF layout and durability will still overshadow the Excelsior 4 Tac console and slight turn advantage imo.
What do you guys think? Any current T5 ships which you think really benefit from T5U improvements, and will retain a place in PVP even after Fleet T6 hits? Any ships you think have suffered especially in the great power reshuffle that is DR?
Apologies in advance if there is another pvp thread like this already, I looked but couldnt find one.
From what I've read, the biggest winner in my opinion is the B'Rel. 4 AMAZING traits and the 4th Tac console its always wanted. On top of that, with no T6 BoP yet it will be able to exploit this new power without opposition in the admittedly sparse KDF line-up.
On top of that, even if a T6 BoP arrives there is no guarantee it will have the Enhanced battle cloak. If it doesnt, the B'rel could fall back on that as its niche even if a T6 bop was superior in terms of stats.
Other potential "winners" are the Chimera, which gets a 5th Tac console and the same incredible traits while still retaining a unique niche (that of a heavy destroyer with a great unique console).
Many other ships which are currently of heroic awesomeness though will decline in relative power. To me, the Excelsior is the biggest example of this. 5th Eng console and four defensive (read: poorly scaled so as to be woefully inferior to the offensive traits), one of which is the appalling rapid repairs trait.
A bigger problem is that the Guardian, and especially the pending Fleet Guardian, will usurp its spot completely. Even if they decide to take stupid pills and give the Guardian-F a 5th eng console, its BOFF layout and durability will still overshadow the Excelsior 4 Tac console and slight turn advantage imo.
What do you guys think? Any current T5 ships which you think really benefit from T5U improvements, and will retain a place in PVP even after Fleet T6 hits? Any ships you think have suffered especially in the great power reshuffle that is DR?
Apologies in advance if there is another pvp thread like this already, I looked but couldnt find one.
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maybe s'golth
maybe ody
maybe vesta
maybe norgh
maybe jem heavy
maybe zindi carrier
most of those are only relevant because there's nothing like them at tier 6 yet, half of those you wont even need to pay to upgrade. upgrading anything else would just be dragging along an old favorite, not saying i don't plan on doing that a bit myself.
For example, my fave one, the Orion Marauder Flight Deck Cruiser has no Fleet variant yet was sold in the C-Store and will be stuck with 10 consoles, at best in the new system. And this is the nature for a BUNCH of KDF ships. Its frustrating and confusing all at once.
they drug their TRIBBLE so long holding off the fleet gurumba for NO REASON, that its now to late to even create one.
not to mention the original tier 5 bop hegh'ta, the ONLY native, original, stock tier 5 ship to NOT get a fleet version, and thus no tier5U version. a dead ship as soon as DR drops. fleet version niches for all the bop models is not remotely hard to think up ether.
the tier 2 cruiser and tier 3 and 4 raptors models also get to die, with not even so much as stat clone excelsior, MVAM and akira fleet versions to show for them selves. cryptic has something against printing themselves free money
Cryptic purposely keeps KDF numbers low by never enticing anyone else in the other factions to build a perma-KDF... and most of the goodies that KDF have are now feds, but the reverse is not the true... so that they never have to worry about the game being taken over by KDF
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That was pretty much my conclusion as well, though I must admit I think the B'Rel will be a LOT better after the 14th. I reckon it'll still be top dog even if a T6 BoP is added, unless of course that BoP has an enhanced Battle Cloak.
Its so sad to think theyve basically TRIBBLE off 75% of the player base, and probably 95% of the playerbase which spends actual money in an ill thought out cash grab. Why they didnt just offer proper paid upgrades to full T6 is beyond me.
I dont know how they expect people who spent the equivalent of 5,000 zen + to be happy with not getting a proper T6 upgrade. Not to speak of those who put down £'s for a Tempest just a month or two ago only to fins it was being launched into obsolescence.
I cant get over how much the beloved Excelsior is suffering under these changes though. She gets almost nothing useful
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well, 2 min cooldown on the vesta consoles is nice (coming with DR). The vesta is also getting a hull and shield boost. Personally I really like the vesta's boff setup. I might eventually get the Scryer but I'll be upgrading my science vesta first.
I would have said all non-weapon type o consoles should have been set to 2 minutes and all weapon types left to 3 min. But that's just me.
This seems so likely id almost put money on it.
I think the first new-old T6 will be the intrepid. Not only is it thematically appropriate, but theyve just spent Dev time retouching the model. Theyd never do that unless they were going to get money out of it.
I just wish theyd taken that attitude when they revamped a certain other ship and its misaligned undersized lance, assymetrical nacelles and glaring jaggys.
Back on topic though, I think the other reason that T5U is pointless on most ships is the confirmed Fleet T6's. These will have the 11th console and boosted HP which is supposed to make T5U competitive, just with the extra Boff power and "bells and whistles"
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