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At what point do T5U and T6 ships get their extra console slot?
variant37
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Did I miss where the devs talked about this? We can now view all of the T6 ships in Tribble, and they all come with 10 console slots. I was initially under the impression that T5U and T6 ships would have the extra slot right out of the box but that's obviously not the case. So I guess we unlock the extra console slot at some point during the ship levelling process? When? Knowing what type the Guardian's extra console is going to be will probably make or break my decision on whether I'm purchasing that ship (hint: it needs to be a 4th tactical!).
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Think you missed that awhile back.
October 14th is the delta launch.
T5U = 10 console
T5FU = 11 console
T6 = 10 console
T6F = 11 console (most likely as it hasn't been officially announced)
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Sorry intended to post this one... but I'll leave the other post as that is when it all happens.
You have to upgrade which will grant you the U version of the ship.
Ugh seriously? The T6 ships are stuck at 10 consoles and T5FU will have 11? If that's the case I think I'll hold off on any T6 purchases for now and stick with my old fleet ships. Why would I want to "upgrade" to a T6 with one fewer console slot?
If your worried about the console slots on a T6 then I don't think you get what they really are... having said that.
They have already said T6 Fleet are coming.
As to the "upgrade" well its not an upgrade its a completely new class of ship. With new Bridge offciers no other ships can use... an extra BOFF skill... in the case of the fed ships most of them have built in cloaks (no console need which would even them out vs say an avenger or defiant console wise anyway) and a new ship mechanic.
basically for the same reason. I've been holding off getting t5 ships for several of my alts specifically for this reason.
Anticipation....So sweet...and annoying.....
I'll stick with my Fleet Excelsior and Fleet Sovereign. The Guardian just got significantly more lackluster in my eyes if what you all are saying is correct. I'll take another look when the Fleet version comes out.
Yep. T5FU will get an 11th console, but the T6 ships get an extra boff slot. Once you get to T6F, those will (most likely) have 11th console with the extra boff slot.
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There will always be a better ship coming.
The advantage of the guaridan would be one more boff skill... and the ability to slot Intel officer skill in at least 2 slots. (as its not a full Intel Ship).
If you like it owning it will make the fleet cheaper anyway... up to you really. You can always fly T5U like most people will be.
One poster put together a list of the upgrades on Tribble.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1216371
Subject to change since it's from Tribble, but it should give you a good idea of where things are going.
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Cool...thank you for posting this, hadn't seen it yet.
So the Galaxy is apparently getting an extra tac console? That'll make a bunch of people very happy.
for the link that Does say something about where the consoles go, I just went through the 12 pages of posts to discover the total list compiled across the thread includes only about a half a dozen ships.....only one of which (better than a stick in the eye) was of interest to me.
I can be patient. we'll all find out in a couple weeks anyway.
1) Tier 6 ships have a Bridge Officer Power extra. I think that is often worth much more than a lame console slot.
2) Tier 6 ships will also have Fleet Versions.
The real question is - why bother with upgrading if you know your ship will still be weaker in the end than a Tier 6 ship?
Fleet T6 aside, I'm not so sure that an eleventh console slot is outweighed by a boff slot.
I actually think that Cryptic may well have succeeded at something they're not usually good at doing.
Making something different but equal.
Fleet T6 though, depending on how its implemented, will be a new standard.
But T6 vs T5U seems pretty balanced to me.
Lame console slot? That's one more space for another universal console! It's very much open to debate as to which would be better, 1 extra console slot vs. 1 extra boff power.
Which is why I said I think I'll forget about the T6 ships for now, and hold off on any purchases until the fleet versions arrive. The only possible exception for me will be the Mat'ha, which I am really excited to see in the game and because KDF Raptors are finally getting some love. Fedside, the Guardian I was considering but after the discussion in this thread I think my trusty Fleet Excelsior upgraded to T5U is a better option for me at this point.
Because I want my cake and I want to eat it too. T5U Fleet today, T6 Fleet tomorrow!
I think BOFF powers are still usually better, since you get cycle rates with their low cooldowns. But it may depend on the specific BO configuration, if you have too many BO powers of one type, you usually get into trouble with shared and global cooldowns. But I don't think the Tier 6 ships we've seen have that problem, especially since they all (apparently event he non Intelligence focused ships) have Intelligence slots.
But it would be debatable. But if Fleet Tier 6 also get the extra console slot, it's moot - the advantage is clearly one extra BOFF power.
Oh I definitely agree there, and I'm assuming the T6 Fleet ships WILL get an extra console slot. Makes absolutely no sense to allow the T5U Fleet ships 11 consoles but restrict T6 Fleet ships to 10.
Yes you could potentially slot a higher boff power or an extra copy of one already slotted but I find that with my current ships pretty much optimized for running with 12 abilities an extra one won't really change much.
An extra console on the other hand mean more damage output, more HP/armour or an extra space for a uni console. That's something i'd defiantly look forward to.
Clearly Fleet T6 is going to be the top of the range once they arrive but that could be months away for all we know.
Unless there's some huge game-changer with the NPC's in DR that means having intel boffs will be a massive advantage (something I highly doubt based on past records) i'd rather stick with and extra console.
Probably. You know why? Because T6 fleet ships will be available for an approachable amount of EC (comparing FSM's to Lock box and lobi ships) if they used the same system as previous fleet ships. The release has to be staggered or else c-store and DR pack sales are going to suffer.
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Plus there are already some ships that are way better than others at the current ranking anyway, Lockbox and Lobi ships for example. They have generally more flexible boff layouts and some very handy consoles and special abilities that put them ahead of most other T5 ships.
Fleet ships currently are an exception as they are generally regarded as the best and at T5U i think they will still be the best.
I suspect my upgraded Recluse, with eleven consoles of Tholian goodness, fully decked out in rep or fleet gear, will be perfectly capable for a long while yet.
I'm actually kinda hoping at that point that T5U ships (11 console versions, at least) may get a fleet system upgrade to Fleet Tier 6 by adding a BO power and a mastery trait.
They have said that T6 will get fleet versions but to my knowledge they never ruled out that T5U ships might also get T6 upgrades... And it would make some sense to me for that to be handled via the fleet system alongside FT6.
as the creator: the list includes ALL mastery traits and additional consoles on a vast array of ships, with very few (maybe a dozen) missing
simply open it up, crtl+f, and search for the ship
)approx 7 ships per page X 17 pages)-4=115 ships
this is listing the dyson ships as one ship per faction, and accounting for only having 3 on the first page
Yep. I'd take +1 BOFF skill than +1 Console Slot any day. And as you said, "There will always be a better ship coming," T6 Fleet is incoming also. Not to mention T6 Lobi/Lockbox ships.
Sorry...but you're kinda nuts if you think one console will outweigh the benefits you get from a Guardian Cruiser.
Feds, with their sheer ship variety, will not likely benefit as much, though slower ships like the Dreadnought or Caitian Carrier would benefit from one more console to offset their relative slowness.
From what I gather, Intel BOffs won't have any truly spectacular abilities that could give an instant leverage to T6s out from the gate, so being able to squeeze in another set-related console grants more constant benefits (as opposed to short-duration spikes to weapons, defense, speed, etc) which, given the scaled HP and resulting longer fights, might favor 11 console ships until we get specialist BOffs that much stronger abilities.
I still hold out hope that in 6 months to a year from DR's release, they will allow a proper T6 upgrade for both T5 (that are on the upgrade list) and T5U ships for both an individual cost (500 Zen and for those who really only use less than 5 ships for personal reasons) and bundled cost (5000 Zen to upgrade all eligible ships of a specific faction, or a slightly discounted 12000 Zen to upgrade all 3 Factions' eligible C-Store/Fleet ships to T6). T5U Lobi and old Lockbox ships would just have to fork out 500 for each ship (multiple times if future T5 Lobi/Box ships when opened don't instantly become T5U even if one character upgraded the same ship on a different character). That's easy money for Cryptic, players get their T6s, and everyone will mostly be happy.
Although I honestly can't see this ever happening it would be a god way to ease the worries of the players who dislike losing their favourite canon ships by having to go for potentially ever more powerful T6 ships.
I love my Fleet Avenger, Fleet Assault Cruiser and Fleet Patrol Escort and i'd love to keep using them all the way through. In the long, long, long run they will eventually become outdated but I firmly believe they will be fine for at least another year.
Time will only tell!