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WTH? No Lance weapons in Delta for KDF?
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Sick of getting the Shaft by Cryptic. I play all three factions and quite frankly Cryptic is giving the bird once again to KDF players. With the new ships coming out for Delta the Klingon faction is woefully short changed compared to Fed and Rom ships. It's not just the fact Fed is getting 3 ships compared to one each for KDF and Roms but a major oversight in weapon upgrades. The Feds get yet another Phaser Lance OMG how many do they need? The Roms are getting a Plasma Lance. BUT I ask where is a Disruptor Lance????? Seriously thanks so much for for really putting KDF at a distinct disadvantage as far as play balance goes.
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Qib Intel Battlecruiser
The Tier 6 Qib Intel Battlecruiser is a stealthy and agile vessel. It is lighter than most KDF battlecruisers, but features a Battle Cloaking Device and Active Sensor Arrays that allow it to gather information about a target to expose a vulnerability. The Qib Intel Battlecruiser also features a Weapon System Siphon universal console. This device drains the weapon systems of nearby enemy starships and overloads its own. The effect reduces the damage and accuracy of affected foes and boosts the Qib's damage and accuracy.
MaHa Raptor
The MaHa Raptor is the most advanced tactical vessel in the KDF fleet. This Tier 6 starship is designed to have unparalleled forward firepower capable of delivering volleys of devastating torpedo fire at its enemies. It is equipped with a Cloaking Device. The MaHa also comes equipped with a Heavy Disruptor Nose Cannon universal console. This console can unleash a sustained barrage of disruptor fire to any starship that enters its range of fire. Enemy ships hit by this weapon will have their engines knocked offline for a short time.
Compare that with lance weapons which have a tendency to miss and tell me why you are complaining.
If this forum has a "hat", it's complaining.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
I love the concepts of both of the consoles: the MaHa's disruptor cannon barrage is definitely worth looking into since it knocks engines offline in addition to making for a potentially nasty alpha strike, while the Qib's console is pure Battlecruiser, reducing incoming damage and amplifying outgoing damage. (The Eclipse's console basically does the same thing by operating in reverse: reducing enemy HP and thus leaving them more vulnerable to attack, while increasing its own HP to make it more resistant to damage)
We know that the Feds are getting 2 more vessels relatively soon after DR. And that's a Escort and a Sci Vessel. I'm Hoping KDF get a Normal Battle Cruiser, an Intel Raptor and a Intel Bop. I'd also like a genuine T6 Carrier (which will annoy the Feds no end)
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
The MaHa Raptor is the most advanced tactical vessel in the KDF fleet. This Tier 6 starship is designed to have unparalleled forward firepower capable of delivering volleys of devastating torpedo fire at its enemies. It is equipped with a Cloaking Device. The MaHa also comes equipped with a Heavy Disruptor Nose Cannon universal console. This console can unleash a sustained barrage of disruptor fire to any starship that enters its range of fire. Enemy ships hit by this weapon will have their engines knocked offline for a short time.
sounds like the minigun on an A-10
Intel Battlecruisers appear to get a siphon ability instead of a Heavy Lance - hull for the Fed Eclipse, Weapon Power for the KDF Qib.
Perhaps we'll get an Intel Raptor or Raider down the road that comes with a Heavy Disruptor Lance with a huge hull resist debuff or some such.
Yeah...well.
The only thing to do is hold out hope that Cryptic intends on releasing an Intel BoP later.
Hope.
If people want a prime example of a whine thread...THIS ONE is so special, it comes with a Mod warning as the first post.
epic whine is epic
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
/off topic
Just for the sake of truth - that thread comes with such a warning because the original thread was closed based on someone's whim, without giving the players any explanation at a point in the thread where the discussions were kept quite civil compared to previous situations that required moderating the thread. That "brilliant" move by whoever it was that made it then spawned at least 50 other Galaxy threads nearly all of which quickly devolved into fights, rants, insults at devs and CMs and personal attacks on moderators, because many people were clearly quite aggravated by the nonesense someone tried to pull, especially after seeing many of the other Galaxy threads getting immediately closed as well. Even I myself thought for a moment that they're banning Galaxy Class discussions from the forum.
Seen how more Galaxy threads popped-up that the moderators could close/delete, askray was sensible enough to open that thread as an "official" one (even he didn't have all the info on the position of the people with authority on the issue and why the thread was closed) to prevent further rants and smear campaigns. The creation of that thread followed 3 days of excessive rants, insults at Cryptic and mods and fighting, that's why he put the warning - in a way saying sth like "okay, I don't know what's going on yet so I'll vouch for you, but it's my TRIBBLE on the line so play nice otherwise this one will get locked as well".
Ironically, that thread has picked up in the same civil manner at the same place where the old one ended, so I'm still puzzled by the person who deemed necessary to close it and make the Fed forum section burn in fires for 4 days for aparenlty nothing.
Well I hope Maha will have some good stats until then since Qib will have only 3 tac console so for PVP I dont see it making much damage in a 5 tac 11 console ship world.
A Kdf Intel Raider it is a good idea and if it will have 5 tac consoles as the romulan escort then it will be a hit.
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
Whining? Far from it. It was a comment on two things. An expansion is coming out and two factions are short changed on new ships and one faction being excluded with Lances. If anything given the militaristic nature of the Klingon Empire they would have dedicated Intel ships from day one to spy on their opposition. You made an assumption that in reality is not what you take it to be. I doubt very much the Maha is going to replace Fleet Moghs or well geared Fleet TorKhats. Both have very strong feature that will keep them that way for a long time.
That's funny.
Coming from the Fedboys that have been whining over the years to get and actually received:
Cloak access (wow, look how many more you guys are getting with DR; And make no mistake that the Romulan subfaction thing was a copout to give Feds more cloaks while still staying "Fed" and made all the more funny that before, you guys were angry at KDF ships having cloaks)
Battlecruiser gameplay
Carrier gameplay
Universal BOFF stations - Believe it or not, they were once ONLY found on the Bird of Prey ships
Things you guys are still asking for:
More, better stealth detection despite having hands down the best stealth detection tools in the game already
More ships despite having hands down the largest ship selection in the game since Day 1 of STO going live :rolleyes:
Phased Cloaks! Why stop with Battle Cloaks? Even requests to still shoot while in Phased Cloak
Reduce the game to 1 faction, the Federation :cool:
Despite the devs repeatedly giving the Feds by far the most development attention, you guys never seem to have enough and always need more. Like the demanding, hateful mistress that never seems to have enough despite whatever you do, whatever you give her.
Everything is not enough :cool:
Parity is not copying.
When 2 factions get a X Lance and one faction is left out it looks somewhat weird.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Hahaha. "Spoiled 5-year olds". Fits Feds perfectly. They whine and they get. Basically all the stuff that was once only on KDF cstore boats is now accessible for Feds. As for stuff that was once accessible only on Fed cstore ships, basically none of it is available on redside. And still some people call it parity.
Compare top tier fed ships, their numbers and variety to ships on KDF side. Hell, just compare number of 5-tac console ships. Or 5-sci console ships. Or attack-type ships with shield modifier greater than 1. And don't even start with "but you have cloaks instead" cause it does not hold water anymore. Soon Feds will have more cloaking ships than KDF lol.
Surely, KDF gets all it wants and still feels disadvantaged. Pssh.
pwebranflakes: this system is currently in place and working the way it should.
moradum: I got banned for saying "I started my day with cutting off 3 MM off of the bottom of my cabinet"
Please try to explain your affirmation :"what the kdf ship is getting is arguably better"
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
Careful, Fed players have been shot down and insulted for saying this about cloaks.
Anyway, I'm still holding out hope that the MaHa gets a Kinetic DHC. Unlikely as it is, since it would probably have been mentioned alongside its special console, it just feels like the perfect fit for that Raptor, and I think would more than make up for the lack of a Lance weapon.
Beam overload should change the auto cannon in to a Lancer beam that fires twice. Problem fixed.
Make it happen cryptic, even tho I know you guys hate doing anything for KDF.
I believe post #2 in this thread did a sufficient job of doing that already. But certainly none of us can say one way or the other until the details of these ships stats are revealed.
Post #2 doesn't say anything new and frankly I don't see that weapon siphon thing in cruiser with only 3 tactical consoles doing much damage.
(It reminds me of Bortas who had 5 tactical consoles but didnt had turn rate and inertia to use them. ).
The Fed cruiser gets a DEM+SIF equivalent console and it has only 350 crew so it will have a very high repair rate while kdf cruiser has 700 crew so it will be a squishy cruiser compared to fed version but has more hull and +1 in turn rate.
Which one will be better it is hard to say before you use them both.
I don't know If I will buy the Qib because that 3 tac console thing upset me.If I will buy it i wont be using it in PVP for sure.
Maha:
Almost nobody flies kdf raptors now because old T5 raptors were out turned and killed by much agile fed escorts with 5 tactical consoles,more inertia,more shield and more healing rate.Kdf raptors having only normal cloak are dead in water if they don't kill their target fast upon decloak and none had 5 tactical consoles so they were a joke compared to kumari or fleet T5 defiant.
The new T6 fed escort show the same type of stats : a very high impulse mod (0.22),high turn (+17),high inertia (75) and +10 to weapons and +10 to engines so total of +20 bonus.That +10 to engines at .22 impulse mod is quite much.(Btw I don't remember if any other escort in game has a total of +20 bonus .)
Above that it receives a integrated cloak so you can say it is almost like a 11 console ship.
The lance it is close in description with a phaser type elachi DBB that it is integrated into the ship so this time it is like we speak about a fifth fore weapon slot that is guaranteed to pass 100% of shields after intel power was applied.
And lastly the new power "reciprocity" acts like a mini Zemok+beam cooldown+cannon cooldown reduction doffs in one
I stopped using raptors in PVP because I refuse to be a slow flying target to the amusement of much faster and powerful fed escorts so if Maha is designed to be like old Raptor's and will have lower turn,inertia,shield mode than T6 Defiant then I will pass on it.
I really wonder what can Maha have to make it comparable in PVP against new T6 Fed escort
The romulan escort is good what I dont like is the fact that last rep buffed only phaser and disruptor and didnt do any thing to plasma so I will loose the bonus and I will have to switch to plasma weapons to be able to use full potential of new romulan escort and that will decrease my dps .
In my opinion , until now(Maha stats not being published yet) the best ship from DR in my opinion is the Fed escort .
If Maha will have lower turn rate,inertia and lower total power bonus it will be the same old story that was with T5 kdf raptors against T5 defiants but with increased stats on both sides and if that will be the case I won't bother buying Maha even if I want to buy.
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U