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stolts
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The main reason I put forth this thread is because of the TNG iconic ship (exploration cruiser) getting an overhaul and its own unique set items out of its original console pieces. So an overhaul for the DS9 iconic ship (tactical escort), overhaul in this case being Battle Cloak Device console replacing Cloaking Device in addition to its own set made up of this console. The Battle Cloak console would be useable only on tactical escorts while the Cloaking Device would still be available for other qualifying ships to use.
Like the Ar'Kala Tactical Warbird and Ar'Kif Tactical Carrier Warbird Retrofit with their "Enhanced Plasma Infusion" set: [Plasma Quad Cannons] + [Console - Universal - Focused Singularity Modulator].
The Tactical Escort Refit and Tactical Escort Retrofit would be "Enhanced Tactical Systems" set: [Phaser Quad Cannons] + [Console - Universal - Battle Cloaking Device].
The set bonus would be...
-Increased phaser damage (7.5% or 10%) and proc chance by another 2.5% so total 5% (2.5% from set + 2.5% innate phaser proc).
-Phaser Quad Cannons benefit from high engine power, in addition to weapon power.
Its 2409 and STILL the FED don't know how to create a battle cloak? If the romulans can steal plans to create their version of MVAE (Haakona Advanced Warbird) and flaunt it. I'm sure the FED can steal plans to create a battle cloak. I can understand if you put it out there, lore-wise, that the FED are bad at reverse engineering other tech, let alone covert operations to acquire such intel. But even then that's still a straw man's excuse. Even worse of an excuse now that the Romulan Republic is formed.
Side Note: I hope with the Delta expansion they also revisit the Voyager's iconic ship (Long Range Science Vessel) and giving it its own set
Like the Ar'Kala Tactical Warbird and Ar'Kif Tactical Carrier Warbird Retrofit with their "Enhanced Plasma Infusion" set: [Plasma Quad Cannons] + [Console - Universal - Focused Singularity Modulator].
The Tactical Escort Refit and Tactical Escort Retrofit would be "Enhanced Tactical Systems" set: [Phaser Quad Cannons] + [Console - Universal - Battle Cloaking Device].
The set bonus would be...
-Increased phaser damage (7.5% or 10%) and proc chance by another 2.5% so total 5% (2.5% from set + 2.5% innate phaser proc).
-Phaser Quad Cannons benefit from high engine power, in addition to weapon power.
Its 2409 and STILL the FED don't know how to create a battle cloak? If the romulans can steal plans to create their version of MVAE (Haakona Advanced Warbird) and flaunt it. I'm sure the FED can steal plans to create a battle cloak. I can understand if you put it out there, lore-wise, that the FED are bad at reverse engineering other tech, let alone covert operations to acquire such intel. But even then that's still a straw man's excuse. Even worse of an excuse now that the Romulan Republic is formed.
Side Note: I hope with the Delta expansion they also revisit the Voyager's iconic ship (Long Range Science Vessel) and giving it its own set
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
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The only problem is that that would allow the battle cloak on both the Avenger and the Galaxy-X.
I would suggest that there either be a new console which can only be used on the Defiant and her sister ships, or that this be a three piece set where only the Defiant can equip all three pieces and the three set bonus is the cloak upgraded to a battle cloak.
Or how about quad cannons become defiant only. Only that makes sense and be allowed. 3 battlecloaking fed ships is too much. And defiant should have always been able to battlecloak. It was shown in ds9 cloaking as it as being fired on by a JHAS
Agreed. Quad Cannons Defiant only :cool:
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
This. A set bonus on the Tactical Escort should be meassured via the set bonus of the Exploration cruiser, which is a turnrate and damage resistance bonus, not a new ability. The Escort should recieve a small boost to the escort's primary characteristics as well.
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Dreadnought class. Two times the size, three times the speed. Advanced weaponry. Modified for a minimal crew. Unlike most Federation vessels, it's built solely for combat.
Every ship with a Cloak in the show could Battle Cloak. I believe that the standard cloaking device should cloak the ship slower, and have a longer cooldown but still be usable whenever the hell you want.
If they are going to start retroactively buffing console sets I'd like to see some love for the KDF side too.
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We already have a "Cloaking Device", Mask Energy Signature. I think the Cloaking Device should be turned into a Battle Cloaking Device. Its a trade-off. RRF and KDF have their's built-in while FEDs have to spend a console slot that could have otherwise enhanced other aspects of their ship into a Battle Cloak console. If this gets changed into this... then the 2-piece set should enhance turn rate and phaser damage instead.
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
Who needs more turn rate on a Defiant?
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Yes. Yes they do
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
Belfast Type 7 Warp Core
+7.5 Engine and Auxiliary Power
+5 Engine and Auxiliary Power
+100% base regeneration rate of all power levels
+17.5 Warp Core Efficiency Skill
Weapons->Auxiliary bonus
Auxilary Capacitor
Two Piece set bonus: +10% Phaser Damage, +30 Starship Energy Weapon Specialist
Three Piece set bonus: Upgrades cloak to a battle cloak.
The logic of this is that only the Defiant can equip the three pieces and gain the coveted battle cloak.
Hmm :
"+7.5 Engine and Auxiliary Power
+5 Engine and Auxiliary Power"
Did you copy the stats from somewhere and did a mistake ?
And if so from where ?
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Well, I'm a Defiant fanboi too, but that's pretty overpowered.
Shoring up our major weaknesses (low Aux), while also further boosting damage AND granting a set bonus...that just looks like you're Mary-Suing the Tactical Escort.
Tuning issues aside, I'm also all for a Federation Tactical Escort set. Quad Cannons + Cloak Console that grants Battle Cloak ability and perhaps another boost sounds fun to me.
I can't say I totally see a need for a Battle Cloak, though I obviously wouldn't turn it down.
- 50% Flanking damage reduction,
- Decrease Cannon: Rapid Fire cooldown time (ignores global cd)
- (Cloaked) Reduce Universal Console cooldown by 25%.
If you're looking for a battlecloak, roll a Rom toon.
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I used the Undine Hyper-Injection core as the baseline and then tweaked it for what I thought would fit the Defiant. I also took the Fleet Core Hyper-Charged concept to boost both Engines and Auxiliary, in place of the Transwarp or slipstream modifier.
There is no point to giving the Defiant boost to weapons as the min-max players and the Alpha strikers don't need it. As far as weapons go, only the quad cannons benefit from a high engine power. As it was meant to be a highly agile ship, a high engine power makes sense. And as you said, boosts to auxiliary shores up a noticeable weakness while not being too much as only a few things would be affected by it(particularly lack of sci powers).
As do I. Maybe have that set give a boost to turn rate as the Galaxy set does.
Wait...? I knew that the Quads required/drains engine power in addition to weapon power. But is its damage boosted by the level of the engine subsystem, in addition to weapon subsystem?!
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
Think about it. Why would it drain engine power if it did not get some kind of boost or benefit from engine power? Otherwise why equip it when a dual heavy cannon with the same damage modifier would achieve the same damage output WITHOUT draining engine power.
I thought that it would make sense to do that. But then why would Cryptic/PWE also give us a useless broken stat like crew? So I just assumed it was a novelty/fluff piece of equipment. Thanks though going to test it out now
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
Well hopefully with all the spouting upgrading your equipment to make it competative they will "make it so" for these Quads not necessarily adding a mod but just boosting its damage by it scaling with both weapon and engine power levels and not just weapons.
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
It does get a flat bonus to::: "Big Nerf" lol.:D
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.