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meimeitoo
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I'm not going to particapate in the Gear Upgrade System to Gold 14. Who else is not going to?
As it stands, with the information available, HELL NO. At first I thought DR was just about upgrading a few ships. Now it turns out *everything* is subject to an (R&D based) upgrade path. As others have calculated, that's nearly 900k Dilithium for a full ship overhaul. plus all gear rep, Vulnerability Locators, etc.
As it stands, with the information available, HELL NO. At first I thought DR was just about upgrading a few ships. Now it turns out *everything* is subject to an (R&D based) upgrade path. As others have calculated, that's nearly 900k Dilithium for a full ship overhaul. plus all gear rep, Vulnerability Locators, etc.
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Why? Because of threads like this.
I'm just going to skip reading any information on this forum about the upgrade system. One person says it's 200k Dil for your entire ship, some say it's more, some say it's less..
This guy says 900k Dil.. the information is too inconsistent to make a decision at this point.
The one thing I have learned is that absolutely no one here has any clue how much it's going to cost.
It's just thread after thread of baseless guessing.
All the way to gold? Only if its a wild accident.
no point investing in this thread.
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Well, apparently those threads didn't answer for Jack Squat.
The problem is, there are 3 qualities of kits and the better quality ones improve the dil to TP ratio. Also, part of it is the RNG's randomness.
I would if the Dil cost wasn't insanely, stupidly and/or ridiculously high.
(I've not seen the costs, but I'm fairly certain of my guess w/ Cryptic's track record for what they think is a 'fair' cost.)
Add to that, the undoubtedly included, RNG so you get random crappy stats and we have another classic Cryptic stink-fest implementation of an idea.
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Using "basic" white upgrade tokens available from vendors, you're looking at around 37k dilithium per item NOT counting your ship or ground gear. So take the number of items equipped on your ships, multiply that by 37k dilithium, then multiply that by the number of alts you wish to upgrade and there's your answer to how much it will cost you.
Speaking only for myself;
Federation: 777k Dilithium, 420k EC
Klingon: 740k Dilithium, 400k EC
Romulan: 740k Dilithium, 400k EC
And that's NOT accounting for the extra console slot once I upgrade those ships to T5U. That's just plain T5 and the consoles/weapons they have right now.
Despite running STF's regularly completing reps and completing events that pay out large amounts of dilithium, I have nowhere near enough to upgrade even 1 of those ships, even after refining every drop of dilithium I have on all three of my characters. It would take me another 6 months to collect dilithium to do my ships, assuming I don't buy anything that requires dilithium between here or there OR I can spend a butt load of real cash to get enough dilithium. Either way, no thanks.
That is absolutely INSANE. I will NOT be partaking.
For a basic breakdown of costs, see this thread; http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1224531
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I will probably raise my gear to Mk XIV, but one I reach that Mark level I probably won't bother with trying for the ultraviolet or gold quality level if I haven't already reached it with an item. Basically, take my purple Mk XI/XII stuff and raise it to MK XIV, and stick with whatever quality level it leaves me with, be that purple, ultraviolet, or gold.
Nope, not worth the cost.
Considering ANY rep item can be obtained for 34k or LESS, and Fleet items are 20k or less, then yes 37k IS way out of scale.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
so hang on you mean to tell me the new slightly better thing costs sightly more, I would have ever guessed this. madnesss I say madness.
and I like how you ignored the rep and fleet mark cost well done!
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The quality on the other hand.... well that kinda sucks.
Guess I'll just getting mks up and roll with whatever quality they end up with, for now at least.
that would wise, save trying for gold for select things or when you have alot of extra dil.
personally I'm stick with just goting for mk 14 for everything... and I'm no going to stress myself over even that.
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"Me wanna uber nao!"
Did it take some period of time to reach the point one is at now? Will it not take some period of time to reach the new point? Is there any actual requirement to reach the new point? So it's like the current point that was passed long ago?
So what's the issue?
"Me wanna uber nao!"
So uh...yeah...hrmm...
Makes me think of the folks that complain that leveling takes too long so they can sit around at endgame with nothing to do...so they can complain about that as well.
This guy: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=19302431&postcount=14 :has the chill idea, just playing the game as a game and enjoying it as a game. It's not a job...we're not punching the timeclock at the virtual assembly line, why do so many of us treat it that way and then turn around to complain when we're the ones that made it like that instead of just enjoying the game as a game...?
sounds about right.
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Honestly I think its more a question of money and principle than time. I look at it as a DLC for a microtransaction-based video game. To me at least (I know I don't speak for everyone, but probably a number of people), that means like the $5 range. The estimated $20-$30 per character is a heck of a lot more than $5. Thats expensive for a trinket even if you have millions of dil lying around, just on principle.
Even treated as a full video game purchase its still pretty pricey. A new triple-A game tends to run $60, or a high-end DLC $20-30. Even just assuming people are running only their 3 free characters, that means upgrade for a ~10% stat boost or go buy a whole brand new game. Just because one can afford something doesn't make it a good buy.
And note, I don't expect to particularly convince anyone, but rather to get people to acknowledge that there are valid reasons to dislike this system instead of just calling everyone 'entitled whiner' and dismissing them out of hand.
It is dil, mats and a handful of EC.
All of which can be earned.
You are looking at approx 2-3 character days worth of farming to get a single item mk12 -> mk14 (more if it HAS to be gold).
They have given us something to do with our time.
...#LLAP...
Dil represents money, whether you buy it, farm it, stick to windfalls from rep, whatever. The cash to zen to dil renaming is just sleight-of-hand to try and convince people otherwise. No matter what the name for it is, money is money is money.
silly rabbit just cause we can do it without paying and dime doesn't mean that we can do it without paying a dime. we clearly must a get gold everything right now. lest someones e-peen become more impressive then ours.
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so wait even though I'm unemployed and couldn't give cyptic money if I wanted to I'm somehow doing it any way? come one man at least try. dil is time not money, money is just to get shortcut on time.
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because clearly you have no free will and must do so anyway. :P
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But it's basically what's been going on since S6+...
Fleets...something to do with our time.
Reps...something to do with our time.
R&D...something to do with our time.
Etc, etc, etc..all the grinding that folks complain about is basically the content from the game.
Otherwise, it's Foundry and PvP...player created content.
But from Cryptic, it's what they've been giving us since S6+...
Hell, one could go back and say DOFFing/Commendation was no different...
Sure you get new icon, but for now there is none of the unique feature that will be added to your weapon if you are upgrade it, the only thing that you get is some better dps points, and that is really nothing to be truthful cause with bridge officers skills and doffs you can max your dps without MK 14 gear.
Resources could be better spend in this game and i am intend too but not on upgrading my gear.