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PC Gamer's godawful article about Delta Rising.

starboardnacellestarboardnacelle Member Posts: 67 Arc User
edited September 2014 in Ten Forward
Have any of you read this? It's a biased opinion piece that spends more time bashing both the game and Voyager as a series than it does reporting on the actual features and content being developed.

Frankly, I think we should write to the editor-in-chief and get this reporter held accountable for his extremely shoddy journalism. His job was to report about the game and its upcoming expansion, not write it off as forgettable and complain that he doesn't like Voyager as much as the original series.
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  • originalspockoriginalspock Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Have any of you read this? It's a biased opinion piece that spends more time bashing both the game and Voyager as a series than it does reporting on the actual features and content being developed. There's no mention of the new line of ships being introduced, the upgrade system being developed for existing ships, or the setting of the expansion itself.

    Frankly, I think we should write to the editor-in-chief and get this reporter held accountable for his extremely shoddy journalism. His job was to report about the game and its upcoming expansion, not write it off as forgettable and complain that he doesn't like Voyager as much as the original series.

    Gaming journalism isn't about having fun anymore, its about bells and whistles or controversies. The fact that the expansion and that Patrick isn't doing voice overs or players aren't raging over anything besides unconfirmed information at the moment and this asses supervisor probably told him to write a story about STO which he would rather be writing about dead or alive beach volleyball and getting the limelight, but not the game with the smart population.
  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Wow, that article was... short and... uninformative.
  • wildthyme467989wildthyme467989 Member Posts: 1,286 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Have any of you read this? It's a biased opinion piece that spends more time bashing both the game and Voyager as a series than it does reporting on the actual features and content being developed.

    Frankly, I think we should write to the editor-in-chief and get this reporter held accountable for his extremely shoddy journalism. His job was to report about the game and its upcoming expansion, not write it off as forgettable and complain that he doesn't like Voyager as much as the original series.

    That's the trouble with PC Gamer, both in the UK and US, all their reviewers seem more obsessed with being arsey, dismissive and generally obnoxious about everything they review, whether it's good or bad, that's why I stopped buying their HEAVILY OVERPRICED (for the content) mag.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Have any of you read this? It's a biased opinion piece that spends more time bashing both the game and Voyager as a series than it does reporting on the actual features and content being developed.

    Frankly, I think we should write to the editor-in-chief and get this reporter held accountable for his extremely shoddy journalism. His job was to report about the game and its upcoming expansion, not write it off as forgettable and complain that he doesn't like Voyager as much as the original series.

    someone else has an opinion but they abuse their position to try make their look more important because they got greater resources from their bosses who dont know any better. however its still the same flawed opinion.. just like any other.
    Gaming journalism isn't about having fun anymore, its about bells and whistles or controversies. The fact that the expansion and that Patrick isn't doing voice overs or players aren't raging over anything besides unconfirmed information at the moment and this asses supervisor probably told him to write a story about STO which he would rather be writing about dead or alive beach volleyball and getting the limelight, but not the game with the smart population.

    well yeah, media has become a tool and a weapon. instead of providing honest facts about something which it was meant to do, it has become a lucrative business practice of cowling, scaremongering and self righteous opinion makers who get paid large amounts of money, not for the honesty or their content and like much quality it is worth, but how much trouble they can try to make of it so they get promoted like they are doing now by the op about it.

    you know what to do about trolls? dont feed em and regardless, that pcgamer troll got his or her wish. catch 22 situation, damned if you do and damned if you dont.
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  • shaanithegreenshaanithegreen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The game already has Nimoy in it.

    I mean, I don't like Voyager much either, but it's kind of an easy target for a professional rag.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Seems like they had nothing except press release, so ~heres 300 word blurb about how I feel. Its a blog post on the announcement, seems about on par with the effort that was put into outreach.
  • vesterengvestereng Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I can prove why voyager sucks royally, emperically statistically, personally, metaphorically, emotionally - it's not 1 guy's un-informed opinion.

    And yes, those characters were mainly just annoying unless you are into stan and laurel - MINUS 7 of 9 for obvious reasons that aren't tied to acting or writing...


    If I was going to critique the article I was going to say story and npcs are mostly irrelevant, and, the gameplay and topic of t6 is obviously obsolete gear and deleting all your ship avatars.

    That is slightly more relevant for a gaming site to comment on gameplay rather than the amount of grey in the hair of a random robin like sidekick in tights.

    I guess he'd reply since they are launching expansion 2 under the banner of the voyager crew that's the topic he has to report on.

    And the developers would say they went with voyager for the amount of techno-babble, un-used npc ships they could copy-paste from that show.


    I just hope I can skip the cut-scenes personally.

    Just hearing nelix's voice makes me want to throw my pc out the window while it's closed.
  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The article was published on the 2nd, probably written a day or two before to give it time to be cleared by the editor. Exactly how much information are you expecting them to provide, when the devs themselves are dripping information out at a painfully slow rate?
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,474 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    vestereng wrote: »
    I can prove why voyager sucks royally, emperically statistically, personally, metaphorically, emotionally - it's not 1 guy's un-informed opinion.
    No, now it's two guys' uninformed opinions.
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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I'm just jealous that that guy got paid to write that. I'd love to get paid for doing so little.
  • rustychatrustychat Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I was expecting something pretty terrible from how the OP framed it, but reading it, I don't really see the big fuss about it.

    So he starts off with that STO is still alive. No surprise to us because we play it, sure. But to other people? They're probably barely aware that it's still running as well. As he points out, the last really news worthy thing was the LoR expansion. After that, for better or worse, STO hasn't been in the news.

    Then he notes that it's the Voyager crew getting back together, and he's not as excited about that as he would be if it was the TNG or TOS, but that it's also to be expected. He doesn't go "ugh, Voyager. Expansion will be terrible because Voyager." He also mentions that the original cast will be doing the voices, and that how they'll take part hasn't been revealed. After that, he puts forth his opinion that Harry wasn't the most interesting character, and closes out. At no stage does he write the expansion off as forgettable.

    Plenty of Star Trek fans hold the exact same opinions that Voyager wasn't the best series and Harry wasn't a terribly interesting character. You can see that right here. He doesn't say anything about the game, beyond it been silent as far as news goes. He can't really talk that much about the features and content, because there isn't a lot to say at the moment. Sure, he could talk about T-5U/6 ships, which won't be terribly meaningful to most people who aren't playing the game. But otherwise? I'd personally keep it for the deeper look at what DR has to offer.

    You could argue that since there wasn't much to say, they shouldn't have bothered with the article, but that's also why STO hasn't been in the news. There hasn't been anything to say.
  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Gaming journalism is such a joke, you can't take it seriously knowing certain websites habits of being swayed because of media hype or simply being paid by a publisher to whip up said hype in the first place. Totalbiscuit and Angry Joe have both touched on the subject.

    All it is these days is click bait and advertising, as long as they get page views who cares what words happen to be plastered onto it.

    Better to get the opinions from other gamers.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    hravik wrote: »
    The article was published on the 2nd, probably written a day or two before to give it time to be cleared by the editor. Exactly how much information are you expecting them to provide, when the devs themselves are dripping information out at a painfully slow rate?

    usually media circles get advanced look at things like this, the whole thing so they can get a proper informed opinion but held back by a contract or something like that until after launch. i dunno if that type of thing is practiced at the teams studio but holding the editorial ransom to advanced play and then have final say if the article is good enough that could be a kicker if it were the case.
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  • torgaddon101torgaddon101 Member Posts: 600 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Bounty Hunters needed me thinks...

    I'll put 50,000 dili in the pot.

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  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    rustychat wrote: »
    I was expecting something pretty terrible from how the OP framed it, but reading it, I don't really see the big fuss about it.

    The thing I've noticed about articles about STO on this forum, is that if the article isn't glowing and gushing about how awesome the game is, its a rag, trash, hack journalism, etc. Same goes for any top 5, 10, or whatever lists that don't include STO.

    Podcasts go either way. Someone is upset that the podcast is too fanboyish, or not hard enough on the game.

    Eh.
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  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Maybe we take it personally because we are star trek fans who play the game, but however you look at it this is awful biased journalism. Not that i expect much from gamer sites these days.

    if the update does not personally grab him then fine, but at least give your readers the courtesy of trying to report it without the condescending, biased opinion. you're there to report the news and updates to a wide range of people with a wide range of opinions, not let everyone know how much you personally dislike it.
  • starboardnacellestarboardnacelle Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    hravik wrote: »
    The thing I've noticed about articles about STO on this forum, is that if the article isn't glowing and gushing about how awesome the game is, its a rag, trash, hack journalism, etc. Same goes for any top 5, 10, or whatever lists that don't include STO.

    Podcasts go either way. Someone is upset that the podcast is too fanboyish, or not hard enough on the game.

    Eh.

    My issue with the article is that there's more information that's publicly available and could have been previewed, but the author chose to rant about his disdain for Voyager instead. The new line of starships, upgrades for existing ships, some details of the story, etc. There was nothing beyond "It's in the Delta Quadrant, the cast is back together, the game is forgettable, and Voyager sucks."
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Hrmm, not sure what to make of that article. I don't have an issue with what he was saying, were he saying it on a blog or the like; but in general it reads like he may have plagiarized a third grader...and that...well, bugs me. I mean, sure - go ahead and post your opinion about STO being a second rate game, with Voyager being a second rate show, and on top of that having the second rate members of the crew from that show...but don't write it in a fashion that itself is not even second rate. If his intent was to get us to emphasize with his distaste for the game and the show by offering us a piece of writing we could find equal distaste in; well then, he did an excellent job. Otherwise, it is hard to believe that he's been doing what he does for so long without a friendly professional journalist or editor pulling him to the side...and having a few kind words - a few not so kind words - to get him straightened out there, eh?
  • fmgtorres1979fmgtorres1979 Member Posts: 1,327 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Have any of you read this? It's a biased opinion piece that spends more time bashing both the game and Voyager as a series than it does reporting on the actual features and content being developed.

    Frankly, I think we should write to the editor-in-chief and get this reporter held accountable for his extremely shoddy journalism. His job was to report about the game and its upcoming expansion, not write it off as forgettable and complain that he doesn't like Voyager as much as the original series.

    It's clearly an opinion article, not a news article. It may not be intentional, but that's what it is.
  • catstarstocatstarsto Member Posts: 2,149 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    .... obsessed with being arsey, dismissive and generally obnoxious about everything ..... (snip)


    lol, well...they are gamers! All of us act the same way about things and games we never played or had no interest in. People also tend to relate TOS and TNG to the Star Trek name, DS9 and VOyager are like side offshoots of the main name, to canon nerds. strangely enough i kinda sympathize with the games developers, when they design something that works, people complain that it works too well or offers too much. But if they hold back or take something back after its been bought, we feel cheated. A fickle crowed, but still IDIC...this is a view outside our community, whether it connects with your ideas or not, its still the basic gamers 3rd person perspective. i myself liked the game despite the piling bugs and flaws, had they not forced ARc i would probably still been buying zen and playing daily....still complaining about the glitches, but still enjoying my game!
  • admiralcarteradmiralcarter Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Thats the kind of person that only mentions a footnote of games he dont like...

    But when the thousands incarnation of Battlefield coming out that looks almost identical to its predecessor theres a 5 - 10 site review and report about it, and how awesome it is and how improved the Graphics are (wich look identical to the predecessor)

    Gamer logic.
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  • catstarstocatstarsto Member Posts: 2,149 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Thats the kind of person that only mentions a footnote of games he dont like...

    But when the thousands incarnation of Battlefield coming out that looks almost identical to its predecessor theres a 5 - 10 site review and report about it, and how awesome it is and how improved the Graphics are (wich look identical to the predecessor)

    Gamer logic.

    well, shooter games are all the rage...and when i say rage i mean....well search "rage gamers" on YouTube...what are they playing?? ^^
  • ddplattddplatt Member Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    What an idiot, he's got no facts to base any of that poorly written article on, how does he know what player base amount sto has, wonder if he's even done any real research other than reading the news section on the arc website, what a winit.
  • admiralcarteradmiralcarter Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    catstarsto wrote: »
    well, shooter games are all the rage...and when i say rage i mean....well search "rage gamers" on YouTube...what are they playing?? ^^

    I know what you saying... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8SWMAQYQf0

    :D
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    It's like something I would find on the forums.


    Yeah STO is not the greatest game in the world, and sometimes you want to smack it around, But dammit!!!! It's our Game to bash and we earned the right to bash it!!!! :mad::cool::D
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Yeah, it's short, and boring, and apparently written by someone who doesn't know what he's talking about and doesn't care....
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  • deadspacex64deadspacex64 Member Posts: 565 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    i wouldn't be unhappy about his review if i was cryptic or a fanboi.

    at least it's some press.
    he could have actually played he game for a few months and written about all the flaws discovered through that method.

    if i wrote a review i'd shred this game, cryptics/pwe's handling of it, CBS's seemingly total disinterest in what direction the trek universe has gone in (now run by ferengi). 'known' issues which don't cover all the known issues...just the ones they think they might be able to fix...maybe...at some point.

    so yeah, it could have been much worse, it could have been an actual review based on the reviewers in game experience, including ESD :rolleyes:

    so, be happy OP. thanks to that lazy reviewer, people who actually read his stuff and might believe him out of hand don't see the game as bad as they could if he had written a completely accurate review with research rather than a pres release.

    be thankful.
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  • razar2380razar2380 Member Posts: 1,187 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Have any of you read this? It's a biased opinion piece that spends more time bashing both the game and Voyager as a series than it does reporting on the actual features and content being developed.

    Frankly, I think we should write to the editor-in-chief and get this reporter held accountable for his extremely shoddy journalism. His job was to report about the game and its upcoming expansion, not write it off as forgettable and complain that he doesn't like Voyager as much as the original series.


    To be honest, I am surprised that anyone still buys PC Gamer anymore. I actually thought they were dead and gone by now. I read a couple of them a while back where they "reported" on games, and found it full of personal opinions, and not the facts about the games. Then, after playing the game, realized they knew nothing about what they write.

    If the publisher doesn't care enough about the quality of the work they print, I don't care about it enough to read it.

    Seriously though, I thought they were dead and gone.
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