First Officer wouldn't make sense for just T6 ships. Would be hard to explain why other ships can't have it. And First Officers can have all sorts of skills, Intelligence at least provides a theme.
The more I read about the T6 ships and the Intel stuff, I come to think that T6 is rather a new ship class than a real new tier. The lines get a little blurry when comparing T6 to T5-FU.
The more I read about the T6 ships and the Intel stuff, I come to think that T6 is rather a new ship class than a real new tier. The lines get a little blurry when comparing T6 to T5-FU.
Well, each faction gets one T6 ship that's not an intelligence one. And there probably will be more.
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an intelligence officer would be a desk job analyzing information and sending that intel to the appropriate people. examples in US army a 96B (enlisted) 350B (warrant officer)
a counter intelligence officer would be out in the field actively participating in actions, to help counter act enemy movements, communications, interrogate the enemy, develop assets in the field and so on. examples in the US army a 97B (enlisted) 351B (warrant Officer)
But this a game so they can call this new toon what ever they want.
all i really fear with all of this is more of the same ole stuff. i dont want to have the same missions as the federation captains do. i dont want to be buddy buddy with nelix, harry, 7 of 9, a hologram doctor or even tuvok.
i want to develop our own story and actions.If we are saddled with an inferior species from that quad let us take the Kazon under our wing and modle them into proper cannon fodder for the Empire.
If we need officers with information on species in the quad let us rescue the Klingons that were abandoned by Voyager in the delta quad. they had access to Voy computers while on board voyager, and left with supplies on that planet. im sure any competent and experienced officer would have made a copy of Voy mission logs at the very least. not to mention any information they had gathered themselves prior to the encounter with Voyager.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
How do you know s/he's spying on people for money? How do you know s/he isn't a patriot just like you who takes xir Oath of Service seriously, but who just has a different skillset than blasting things with Type X phasers and photon torpedoes?
As for the OP? Please invest in a dictionary and do some research on what actual intelligence officers do. As noted you have them confused with political officers. And even Soviet political officers didn't have the powers they were attributed in pop culture: Tom Clancy had to do a lot of guesswork in making The Hunt for Red October and that was one of the things he got wrong.
Perhaps they are a patriot, perhaps they aren't, But anyone who implicitly trusts a member of the military Intelligence community is a fool
They specialise in classified information, its part of their job description to hide certain information from the people they work with on a daily basis, simply put They don't trust you, why trust them
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Intelligence officers, the people who spy on people for money? Can never be trusted, I don't wan't one on my bridge so I'm glad I'm not getting one on my T5 ships
Why? Principle, an intelligence officer is under their own chain of command, they answer directly to Starfleet Intelligence, who in the lore are not obliged to tell Captains in the field anything they would rather be kept under wraps.
I mean its not all that far a stretch for them to put out Section-31 BOFFs next, and I don't want a Tal Shiar wannabe by another name on my vessel
Not sure how I missed this...
So. Every intelligence officer in our armed forces is simply waiting for the chance to sell out everyone in their unit?
Really?
And no, they don't "spy on people for money". Spies spy on people for money. Intelligence officers gather, learn, and analyze information given to them. Some of that information is from spies.
an intelligence officer would be a desk job analyzing information and sending that intel to the appropriate people. examples in US army a 96B (enlisted) 350B (warrant officer)
Blah-blah-blah... we already have come to the conclusion that intel boffs will be like Specialist Samantha Traynor aboard the SSV Normandy SR-2. But seriously then why not call them comm officers? Why this spy game smoke screen rofl...
...the communist party officer Captain Marco Ramius killed in the Hunt for the Red October...
As a fan of the CIA novels of Tom Clancy and a HUGE fan of this particular Movie, Ramius did not die in the movice Hunt for Red October, he defected to the United States after the sinking of an attacking Accula Class sub.
Back to your post, the Idea of an Intelligence Officer vs a First Officer on the bridge, I actually have to agree with you. Leaving a valued crew member behind is often the last thing a Star Fleet Captain wants. It takes time to build trust in a person, time one simply cannot gain back to "train" a new First Officer. This is however a game, unlike most, when you get a new officer you still have to go through and "train them up" in the skills you want them to have, spend time making sure the new officers are Proficient at those skills.
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As a fan of the CIA novels of Tom Clancy and a HUGE fan of this particular Movie, Ramius did not die in the movice Hunt for Red October, he defected to the United States after the sinking of an attacking Accula Class sub.
He was talking about Commissar Putin being killed, not Ramius.
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Actually an intelligence officer in the CIA is not the same thing ads an intelligence officer in the Navy. a Naval Intell officer would report to the Operations officer who...is in charge of the ships information gathering equipment.
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Then just imagine it's an NSA, CIA, DIA or whatnot you have in the USA (you have too many to remember lol...) agent on board.
Thats exactly his point. The CIA and NSA arent very popular with Americans anymore then it is with citizens of other Nations. The CIA and NSA has been portrayed as the bad guys for a long time here in US Culture through movies, TV shows and books.
I cant say that Im against the Intel Officers. But I will say they really are an odd choice for a Bridge Officer. And I know my character wouldnt be a very big fan of having one assigned to his bridge..Let alone having any influence on my ships chances of survival.
Actually an intelligence officer in the CIA is not the same thing ads an intelligence officer in the Navy. a Naval Intell officer would report to the Operations officer who...is in charge of the ships information gathering equipment.
Welcome to the thread where clueless people confuse Intelligence with Espionage and then go on ill-informed rants.
Your attempt to elucidate the difference will likely be ignored. :rolleyes:
Hah, that's a reminder of World War I and II. Remember those war movies with the intelligence officers reporting back to headquarters with powers to put a check on the captain to ensure that they towed the line. The Germans had them, they were part of the SS. The Russians also had and still have them. They are called Political Officers.
I have no problem with that. If he refuses to follow my instructions, I will simply shoot him.
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However, he will probably provide intelligence information of the movements of enemies in areas where my ship is in. Information about the species in the area. Similar to a Science Officer but one that has information about Political matters. Information about which species are at war with other species. Info about new worlds that are having a rebellion. Matters that one can take advantage of. Side with one to make allies against other more dangerous foes. Acquire new intel from new allies to strengthen you position in a new unknown area in the Delta Quadrant.
The officer who has this traits is useful when you are somewhere new to you. One who can speak many languages, telepathic, etc. etc. Adds to the knowledge of your Science officer. One who is trained to create a network of spies for you in a given area. All our wars have been won because of intelligence. WWII was won when they cracked "Enigma", and the Pacific war was won because they cracked the Japanese Code and already knew ahead of time where all their ships were going to be thereby destroying all their ACC and Battleships...the start of the end for the imperial empire. The rest was mopping up, from island to island.
I'd like to have an Intel Officer from the Great Link, or a transformed Undine who can mingle and gather more info. One who looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, but is your intel officer among a duck convention.
Sounds better if one puts it like that. Doesn't it.
Umm... Starfleet Intelligence is from the shows, in fact it was first mentioned in TOS "The Enterprise Incident." So how does it "smell wrong wrong in every sense of what Star Trek is about?"
Welcome to the thread where clueless people confuse Intelligence with Espionage and then go on ill-informed rants.
Your attempt to elucidate the difference will likely be ignored. :rolleyes:
Yeah you are probably right
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Actually an intelligence officer in the CIA is not the same thing ads an intelligence officer in the Navy. a Naval Intell officer would report to the Operations officer who...is in charge of the ships information gathering equipment.
^This.
We are talking about Starfleet officers here. Not really much different from any other type of officer.
Those T6 Star Fleet Intelligence ships probably require a Intel BOff to be responsible for the use and security of the cloaking device.
Maybe that old tattered treaty is still partly in effect anyways?
I dont think Star Fleet makes a habit of freely using cloaking devices despite the proliferation of ship classes that a Star Fleet Officer could make use of ingame with one.
There are health risks to the use of those things too, especially in STO with the chat bug/design.
Why dose a starship need an agent openly operating on it's bridge no less? What happen to humanity working together for benefit of all? Kirk didn't have a Int officer. Picard didn't have an Int officer.
Kirk most definitely had an Intelligence Officer...
It was the guy he turned to whenever he needed information on a new situation...
His name was Spock... he also just happened to be the First/Chief Science - Officer.
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Picard had one, it was Data....it's in his freaking name lol
Troi was clearly the Intel officer. Every mission Picard asked her to secretly read someone's mind/emotions to give him info.
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Picard had one, it was Data....it's in his freaking name lol
Data was the Operations officer
in the US Navy....Operations would be what this Intelligence officer would be working for.
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So. Every intelligence officer in our armed forces is simply waiting for the chance to sell out everyone in their unit?
Really?
And no, they don't "spy on people for money". Spies spy on people for money. Intelligence officers gather, learn, and analyze information given to them. Some of that information is from spies.
For context I'm refering to Military Intelligence in the sense I'm most Familar, MI5, MI6 and MI7, as distinct from say the Army Intelligence Corps
The people commonly, and mistakenly, refered to as Spies, holding the Official title of Intelligence Officer.
These are the people payed to spy on others for money, and they get payed pretty well for it
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I'm confused as to why people keep stating the Guardian class won't have an intelligence officer station. They've explicitly stated in 2 different announcements that all 8 ships being released will have an intel officer station. The only difference is that the 5 Intelligence ships have commander level stations to get the full benefit of the new officers. They haven't said that the other 3 don't get to use Intelligence Officers at all.
Blah-blah-blah... we already have come to the conclusion that intel boffs will be like Specialist Samantha Traynor aboard the SSV Normandy SR-2. But seriously then why not call them comm officers? Why this spy game smoke screen rofl...
i do not know who this samantha person is. so cant say one way or another on that. i was referring to real life though. to clarify the difference between intel and counter intel. but I also pointed out it was a game so they can call it what ever they want.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
Obviously, the time at which this Star Trek is happening is in the future compared to the last Series. We are going to the Delta Quadrant. I don't know why. We have gone to the Gamma Quadrant to solve the Dominion Incident at DS9 and didn't follow it up with exploring it.
I guess it's because it is next to the Alpha Q. For Klingons, like me, who are in the Beta Quadrant
the logical thing to do is explore the Gamma Q.
They should let the Klingons explore the Gamma and the Feds do the Delta and meet at the boundary of the D and the G where they will finally discover a whole sector controlled by the Iconians. And attack it from both sides.
That would really TRIBBLE them off. "So you have decided to continue chasing our shadow!"
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T6 divides the game. It smells wrong in every sense of what Star Trek is about. Int officers remind me of the communist party officer Captain Marco Ramius killed in the Hunt for the Red October. That's fine for a Cold War Era spy thriller, but that is NOT Star Trek when compared to the importance of the First Officer.
To try to sell your bundle you are offering a laundry sniffing snoop with no business being on a Starfleet bridge.
You gave Int officer the power of NO to the nth degree in PvP. No to buffs, No to fighting back, No to even bothering equipping a shield.
This quest for cash will never see a nickel from me. Having the USS ANNE FRANK on my roster is a source of personal pride. A symbol to remember what is best about humanity. The dirt sniffing rats I will leave at spacedock.
Interesting, your cool with flying around in space in a ship named after Anne Frank, killing thousands of opponents. But draw the line at having an intelligence officer on your ship? I guess I could understand if intelligence officer's had been exclusively used by TRIBBLE or Communist. But intelligence officers are used around the world in many countries, governments, militaries and even companies. Just not follow your line of thought here.
What's with all the focus on just the INT officers?
Can I have a CON officer? One who can take major beatings that makes the average Gorn / Vulcan / etc. envious?
And, I think this forum needs a few WIS officers. I mean, sometimes the lack of common sense is so...
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Obviously, the time at which this Star Trek is happening is in the future compared to the last Series. We are going to the Delta Quadrant. I don't know why. We have gone to the Gamma Quadrant to solve the Dominion Incident at DS9 and didn't follow it up with exploring it.
I guess it's because it is next to the Alpha Q. For Klingons, like me, who are in the Beta Quadrant
the logical thing to do is explore the Gamma Q.
They should let the Klingons explore the Gamma and the Feds do the Delta and meet at the boundary of the D and the G where they will finally discover a whole sector controlled by the Iconians. And attack it from both sides.
That would really TRIBBLE them off. "So you have decided to continue chasing our shadow!"
Because...the Dominion went to war with us for encroaching in their space...we hardly won...I'm sure part of the treaty with the Dominion was leave us alone.
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The more I read about the T6 ships and the Intel stuff, I come to think that T6 is rather a new ship class than a real new tier. The lines get a little blurry when comparing T6 to T5-FU.
Well, each faction gets one T6 ship that's not an intelligence one. And there probably will be more.
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Geko hinted that it'll tie in with promotion of your BOFFs to captain.
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a counter intelligence officer would be out in the field actively participating in actions, to help counter act enemy movements, communications, interrogate the enemy, develop assets in the field and so on. examples in the US army a 97B (enlisted) 351B (warrant Officer)
But this a game so they can call this new toon what ever they want.
all i really fear with all of this is more of the same ole stuff. i dont want to have the same missions as the federation captains do. i dont want to be buddy buddy with nelix, harry, 7 of 9, a hologram doctor or even tuvok.
i want to develop our own story and actions.If we are saddled with an inferior species from that quad let us take the Kazon under our wing and modle them into proper cannon fodder for the Empire.
If we need officers with information on species in the quad let us rescue the Klingons that were abandoned by Voyager in the delta quad. they had access to Voy computers while on board voyager, and left with supplies on that planet. im sure any competent and experienced officer would have made a copy of Voy mission logs at the very least. not to mention any information they had gathered themselves prior to the encounter with Voyager.
So have my James Bond officer assassinate Tovan Khev? I will be the first in line to buy a new T6 ship lol...
Perhaps they are a patriot, perhaps they aren't, But anyone who implicitly trusts a member of the military Intelligence community is a fool
They specialise in classified information, its part of their job description to hide certain information from the people they work with on a daily basis, simply put They don't trust you, why trust them
Not sure how I missed this...
So. Every intelligence officer in our armed forces is simply waiting for the chance to sell out everyone in their unit?
Really?
And no, they don't "spy on people for money". Spies spy on people for money. Intelligence officers gather, learn, and analyze information given to them. Some of that information is from spies.
Blah-blah-blah... we already have come to the conclusion that intel boffs will be like Specialist Samantha Traynor aboard the SSV Normandy SR-2. But seriously then why not call them comm officers? Why this spy game smoke screen rofl...
As a fan of the CIA novels of Tom Clancy and a HUGE fan of this particular Movie, Ramius did not die in the movice Hunt for Red October, he defected to the United States after the sinking of an attacking Accula Class sub.
Back to your post, the Idea of an Intelligence Officer vs a First Officer on the bridge, I actually have to agree with you. Leaving a valued crew member behind is often the last thing a Star Fleet Captain wants. It takes time to build trust in a person, time one simply cannot gain back to "train" a new First Officer. This is however a game, unlike most, when you get a new officer you still have to go through and "train them up" in the skills you want them to have, spend time making sure the new officers are Proficient at those skills.
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Thats exactly his point. The CIA and NSA arent very popular with Americans anymore then it is with citizens of other Nations. The CIA and NSA has been portrayed as the bad guys for a long time here in US Culture through movies, TV shows and books.
I cant say that Im against the Intel Officers. But I will say they really are an odd choice for a Bridge Officer. And I know my character wouldnt be a very big fan of having one assigned to his bridge..Let alone having any influence on my ships chances of survival.
Welcome to the thread where clueless people confuse Intelligence with Espionage and then go on ill-informed rants.
Your attempt to elucidate the difference will likely be ignored. :rolleyes:
I have no problem with that. If he refuses to follow my instructions, I will simply shoot him.
\
However, he will probably provide intelligence information of the movements of enemies in areas where my ship is in. Information about the species in the area. Similar to a Science Officer but one that has information about Political matters. Information about which species are at war with other species. Info about new worlds that are having a rebellion. Matters that one can take advantage of. Side with one to make allies against other more dangerous foes. Acquire new intel from new allies to strengthen you position in a new unknown area in the Delta Quadrant.
The officer who has this traits is useful when you are somewhere new to you. One who can speak many languages, telepathic, etc. etc. Adds to the knowledge of your Science officer. One who is trained to create a network of spies for you in a given area. All our wars have been won because of intelligence. WWII was won when they cracked "Enigma", and the Pacific war was won because they cracked the Japanese Code and already knew ahead of time where all their ships were going to be thereby destroying all their ACC and Battleships...the start of the end for the imperial empire. The rest was mopping up, from island to island.
I'd like to have an Intel Officer from the Great Link, or a transformed Undine who can mingle and gather more info. One who looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, but is your intel officer among a duck convention.
Sounds better if one puts it like that. Doesn't it.
Yeah you are probably right
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^This.
We are talking about Starfleet officers here. Not really much different from any other type of officer.
Maybe that old tattered treaty is still partly in effect anyways?
I dont think Star Fleet makes a habit of freely using cloaking devices despite the proliferation of ship classes that a Star Fleet Officer could make use of ingame with one.
There are health risks to the use of those things too, especially in STO with the chat bug/design.
Kirk most definitely had an Intelligence Officer...
It was the guy he turned to whenever he needed information on a new situation...
His name was Spock... he also just happened to be the First/Chief Science - Officer.
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Data was the Operations officer
in the US Navy....Operations would be what this Intelligence officer would be working for.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
For context I'm refering to Military Intelligence in the sense I'm most Familar, MI5, MI6 and MI7, as distinct from say the Army Intelligence Corps
The people commonly, and mistakenly, refered to as Spies, holding the Official title of Intelligence Officer.
These are the people payed to spy on others for money, and they get payed pretty well for it
i do not know who this samantha person is. so cant say one way or another on that. i was referring to real life though. to clarify the difference between intel and counter intel. but I also pointed out it was a game so they can call it what ever they want.
I guess it's because it is next to the Alpha Q. For Klingons, like me, who are in the Beta Quadrant
the logical thing to do is explore the Gamma Q.
They should let the Klingons explore the Gamma and the Feds do the Delta and meet at the boundary of the D and the G where they will finally discover a whole sector controlled by the Iconians. And attack it from both sides.
That would really TRIBBLE them off. "So you have decided to continue chasing our shadow!"
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Interesting, your cool with flying around in space in a ship named after Anne Frank, killing thousands of opponents. But draw the line at having an intelligence officer on your ship? I guess I could understand if intelligence officer's had been exclusively used by TRIBBLE or Communist. But intelligence officers are used around the world in many countries, governments, militaries and even companies. Just not follow your line of thought here.
Can I have a CON officer? One who can take major beatings that makes the average Gorn / Vulcan / etc. envious?
And, I think this forum needs a few WIS officers. I mean, sometimes the lack of common sense is so...
Forum Dump Stat: WIS...
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Because...the Dominion went to war with us for encroaching in their space...we hardly won...I'm sure part of the treaty with the Dominion was leave us alone.