You missed the part about how only "most Queues" will not "strictly require" a T5-U or T6 Ship?
"Not strictly require" is nothing more than semantics for "You can queue, but proper T6 Ships will have to drag you through like having a Miranda show up in Elite Infected"...
You missed the part in your own damn post where you said T5-U and T6? I mean you freaking posted it and you didn't read it? FFS, people...
Yeah, they've said that T5-U/T6 ships will be better than T5 ships...they haven't hidden that. Are they required for anything outside of the mysterious queues that are not part of the "and most queues"...? No. But they haven't hidden that the T5-U/T6 ships will have advantages over the standard T5 ships. Fleet T5 ships are better than standard T5 ships too...oh noes! Seriously, FFS...
What dont you understand about T5-U is DEAD END and therefore paying for the upgrade is good money after bad? Buy the upgrade, throw the money on the ground, same thing after a few weeks and you have to buy T6 to get the fleet upgrade that suddenly appeared. You could have used that money to put towards T6 ships. Wasted expenditure. LOL
Might as well buy T4 ship on the theory that they havent ruled out any future upgrades so maybe they will keep it going ... ya never know... might happen!
Like base T6 stats will be relevant to anything after a few weeks. At which point the true form of the half-upgrade shows itself--MAH HP ADVANTAGE IS GONE!!!--and will in fact be the whole reason to ditch them for real T6 with HP advantage plus the special BOFFs plus the 11th console and the 13th BOFF. T5-U isnt the beginning its the end.
What dont you understand about T5-U is DEAD END...
Remember when they introduced T5 ships?
Remember when they introduced T5 Refits/Retrofits?
Remember when they introduced Fleet T5 ships?
Remember when they introduced Lock Box/Lobi ships?
Everything at some point will dead end. The T6 ships will eventually dead end with Fleet T6. Fleet T6 will eventually dead end with T7. T7 will dead end with Fleet T7. Fleet T7 will dead end with T8. Etc, etc, etc...
What operating system are you running on your computer, eh?
Windows 1.0?
Windows 2.0?
Windows 3.0?
Windows 3.1? 3.11?
Windows 95?
Windows 98?
Windows 2000?
Windows ME?
Windows Vista?
Windows 7?
Windows 8? 8.1?
Do you have a cell phone? Have never models come out?
Do you have a TV? Have newer models come out?
Are you listening to music on vinyl, reel to reel, 8-track, cassette, mini-disc, compact disc, MP3?
Do you have a car? Have newer models come out?
Etc, etc, etc...
Yeah, at some point the T5-U ships will dead end. No sh...
I mean, like duh...why are you acting like it's some end of the world thing or some new discovery of something Cryptic is just starting to do...that it's not one of the most common things not only in gaming but with life in general that takes place?
You missed the part in your own damn post where you said T5-U and T6? I mean you freaking posted it and you didn't read it? FFS, people...
Yeah, they've said that T5-U/T6 ships will be better than T5 ships...they haven't hidden that. Are they required for anything outside of the mysterious queues that are not part of the "and most queues"...? No. But they haven't hidden that the T5-U/T6 ships will have advantages over the standard T5 ships. Fleet T5 ships are better than standard T5 ships too...oh noes! Seriously, FFS...
The difference is they aren't charging you to run T5 and be a step behind.
This system means one step behind still costs money and free now slides to 2-3 steps behind.
Basically it is an across-the-board price increase in order to maintain the same relative performance you have now.
Comparing Joe Scrub vs Mr. L337-9000! has no place in this discussion, make equal comparisons not statistical outliers on opposite ends of the spectrum.
I mean, Hell, every 3-6 months they've been coming out with ships far better than what came before...why have you stayed?
I've been able to overcome the gear gap until now (mostly/somewhat). I wont be able to overcome the T6.5 gap without replacing my roster. If I could take my T5.5 ships to (real) T6 and then to T6.5 from there, I would take some of them and replace the rest. Having to reboot from scratch--and what appears to be because of an arbitray change by Cryptic who is only doing it to shake the money tree--well this is my exit.
Let me be absolutely clear so there is no misunderstanding.
For the Sovereign class ship in question, these are the criteria that have to be satisfied:
1. The BOFF stations have to be identical, so the skill layout can be transferred.
2. It has to be a ship compatible with the Sovereign skin.
If either of those criteria fail to be checked, then the deal is off.
I'm even willing to pay to upgrade this ship, so I am not insisting I get something for nothing.
The point of contention is that Cryptic has not factored in the fact that some players may wish to upgrade an ordinary T5 ship as opposed to something else.
And when I tried the experiment to see if I could get a fleet ship from someone else, the reason it failed is because I was not in their fleet.
And don't even bother suggesting I leave and rejoin, because that creates another batch of technical problems I wish to avoid.
I just find it a bit odd when I've been able to requisition various items from an allied fleet that this one thing should be locked down.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
Basically it is an across-the-board price increase in order to maintain the same relative performance you have now.
How can you say this while saying that it's a step behind? If you're paying to maintain the relative performance, then you're not separating that performance.
Comparing Joe Scrub vs Mr. L337-9000! has no place in this discussion, make equal comparisons not statistical outliers on opposite ends of the spectrum.
It was an example that doesn't change...viability is still going to come down to the player...unless they're just so bad that the smallest of crutches makes them look viable.
+hull health
+shield modifier (capacity & regeneration)
Not confirmed, let alone beyond 50. We were after all once told T5 and Fleet T5 were comparable so I wouldn't be surprised if there is little to no difference when things are said and done. In the end until they post actual numbers it's all just talk.
Yes, because they were introduced in BETA. At this point there has NEVER been a Tier beyond 5. Tier 1 starts with the Miranda you started with yet most forget that.
It's a player fabrication at this point that it would be a step behind.
Staying at the same tier while others advance to a higher one is falling a step behind.
How can you say this while saying that it's a step behind? If you're paying to maintain the relative performance, then you're not separating that performance.
The key word you're failing to understand is "relative". If my performance improves at the same rate as everyone else, that's maintaining performance relative to others. Remaining at the same performance level while the theoretical potential keeps moving forward is losing performance relative to others.
The gap has widened, period.
It was an example that doesn't change...viability is still going to come down to the player...unless they're just so bad that the smallest of crutches makes them look viable.
Right, I figured this was just the opening salvo to you going the usual route of "if you don't like it, it's because you're bad/L2P" usual self-masturbatory nonsense excuse.
I've been able to overcome the gear gap until now (mostly/somewhat)
I wont be able to overcome the T6.5 gap without replacing my roster.
The gear gap is going to have little to do with the ships, man...c'mon, you and I both know that all this discussion of the ships is ignoring that herd of white elephants stampeding through the room.
The key word you're failing to understand is "relative". If my performance improves at the same rate as everyone else, that's maintaining performance relative to others. Remaining at the same performance level while the theoretical potential keeps moving forward is losing performance relative to others.
The gap has widened, period.
Between the Standard T5 free and everything else? It's been widening for a long time now...
Right, I figured this was just the opening salvo to you going the usual route of "if you don't like it, it's because you're bad/L2P" usual self-masturbatory nonsense excuse.
How you got that from what I said makes about as much sense as anything else you've said...
Let me be absolutely clear so there is no misunderstanding.
For the Sovereign class ship in question, these are the criteria that have to be satisfied:
1. The BOFF stations have to be identical, so the skill layout can be transferred.
2. It has to be a ship compatible with the Sovereign skin.
If either of those criteria fail to be checked, then the deal is off.
There's a lot of folks that have faced that issue long before the mention of T6/T5-U ships though. Heck, you haven't gone to the Assault Refit because it doesn't have the BOFF seating you wanted, right? Regardless of the improvements that any upgraded version of the ship offered previously, much less will with the T5-U upgrades, it doesn't matter to you. You want to fly the ship you want...
...and outside of whatever is not part of that "and most queues"; Cryptic has said you can.
I'm even willing to pay to upgrade this ship, so I am not insisting I get something for nothing.
The point of contention is that Cryptic has not factored in the fact that some players may wish to upgrade an ordinary T5 ship as opposed to something else.
Course they have...they just don't care. For whatever reason, it's just worth it to them. Again, you'd like an Assault Refit with the Assault BOFF layout...you'd like a Fleet Assault Refit with the Assault BOFF layout. You don't have either of those...them not offering you a better ship with the BOFF layout you want isn't anything new in the least. There are countless folks that have been in that situation...Cryptic doesn't care.
Hell, they've even turned around and removed options - like what they did with the PER/FPER in changing the BOFF layout.
It's nothing new that this is happening with the T5-U/T6 stuff...meh. I just don't get why some folks are complaining about it as if it is something new. It would be one thing to say, "Oh great, they're doing it again!" and it's another how many posts are showing up as if this is the first time Cryptic has done a bunch of the stuff they're doing...
And when I tried the experiment to see if I could get a fleet ship from someone else, the reason it failed is because I was not in their fleet.
And don't even bother suggesting I leave and rejoin, because that creates another batch of technical problems I wish to avoid.
I just find it a bit odd when I've been able to requisition various items from an allied fleet that this one thing should be locked down.
Yeah, you have to leave your fleet - join their fleet - to be able to make ship purchases as opposed to just getting an invite to make purchases like other items. It is a PITA to leave, join, leave, join...depending on the fleet you're leaving to join the other fleet, yeah...it can definitely be a major PITA to go through that. That experience will definitely vary from person to person. Would be nifty if at some point that Cryptic would change that to be like any other invite to map purchases...definitely.
Staying free at Standard T5 is still free...since only the non-upgradeable T5 ships are being left behind. You're not paying to be left behind.
Staying at the same tier while new tiers are added is falling behind.
I really don't understand what's hard to grasp about that.
I can currently be just one tier behind for free.
Under the proposed system, one tier behind (T5U/T5FU) costs money and free is now 2-3 steps behind.
Between the Standard T5 free and everything else? It's been widening for a long time now...
Which is not to say that's a good thing, or should continue past a breaking point, and especially doesn't mean accelerating that trend will go well.
In other words: Appeal to Tradition fallacy.
How you got that from what I said makes about as much sense as anything else you've said...
I'm talking about how more powerful stat mods means higher performance. You keep injecting comments about bad players. Ergo, you want to look down your nose and judge people so much that you INJECT that topic into other discussions.
Compare equally skilled players in different tiers, that's the only way to get a valid comparison. Isolate 1 variable, simple scientific method. Not mess with multiple variables, pick 2 or 3 statistical outliers and act like that's relevant data.
That's the kind of thing people do when they want to win the argument just for the sake of winning it.
Kerri is on topic. Since you are backing out I guess Kerri won. It's to be expected, his/her POV was correct after all, but a little optimism wouldn't hurt
Kerri is on topic. Since you are backing out I guess Kerri won. It's to be expected, his/her POV was correct after all, but a little optimism wouldn't hurt
I wouldn't have said that...though, I wouldn't have said the vast majority of things you've said in the thread.
I'm trying to remember the countless movies that's a quote from...
...and figuring you're trolling from a padded room.
Yeah, you guys say the most ridiculous things...folks disagree...get frustrated...mod intervention...you're free to continue saying the most ridiculous things.
Cause their POV...
1) Free ships that cost you nothing and cannot be upgraded to T5-U are going to cost you to stay the step behind you already are. (Can see where that would make perfect sense to you based on what you've said in the thread so far.)
2) Isolating a single variable to make a comparison is the way to go through and draw conclusions about all sorts of things involving a plethora of variables. (Can see where that would make perfect sense to you based on what you've said in the thread so far.)
3) Gear makes the player, not the player...in a game saturated with RNG. (Can see where that would make perfect sense to you based on what you've said in the thread so far.)
I wouldn't have said that...though, I wouldn't have said the vast majority of things you've said in the thread.
Takes me back to...
...and figuring you're trolling from a padded room.
Yeah, you guys say the most ridiculous things...folks disagree...get frustrated...mod intervention...you're free to continue saying the most ridiculous things.
Character attacks are totally on topic, though.
Cause their POV...
1) Free ships that cost you nothing and cannot be upgraded to T5-U are going to cost you to stay the step behind you already are. (Can see where that would make perfect sense to you based on what you've said in the thread so far.)
Not what I said.
2) Isolating a single variable to make a comparison is the way to go through and draw conclusions about all sorts of things involving a plethora of variables. (Can see where that would make perfect sense to you based on what you've said in the thread so far.)
The player skill variable is not changing from what exists now, stat mods are. Therefore stat mods is the variable I'm isolating.
3) Gear makes the player, not the player...in a game saturated with RNG. (Can see where that would make perfect sense to you based on what you've said in the thread so far.)
...is too absurd to bother arguing against.
Never suggested that whatsoever, that's what you keep trying to twist my words into.
I wouldn't have said that...though, I wouldn't have said the vast majority of things you've said in the thread.
Takes me back to...
...and figuring you're trolling from a padded room.
Yeah, you guys say the most ridiculous things...folks disagree...get frustrated...mod intervention...you're free to continue saying the most ridiculous things.
And now you are off-topic and so was I but you couldn't help, but reply. Good luck! I'm done here. My work is done. I've made my points. Thanks for the memories STO. Hopefully, one day, you can understand the STO haiku.
When posts are so off base, it is difficult not to question either the sanity or the intent of the poster in regard to continued discussion.
There are plenty of folks that have made similar complaints...without any feeling of need in regard to questioning the sanity or intent of the poster.
There are folks raging left, right, and center in this thread...but they're raging based on the reality of the situation rather than some quirky collection of delusions.
One could say you should simply report such posts, right?
When posts are so off base, it is difficult not to question either the sanity or the intent of the poster in regard to continued discussion.
There are plenty of folks that have made similar complaints...without any feeling of need in regard to questioning the sanity or intent of the poster.
There are folks raging left, right, and center in this thread...but they're raging based on the reality of the situation rather than some quirky collection of delusions.
One could say you should simply report such posts, right?
Yeah, you have no moral high ground to stand on as far as asking for moderation.
See, that's one of those statements that just make me go "huh?" in reading it. One doesn't need any moral high ground to ask for moderation. Hell, I've reported myself when I've been involved in discussions getting out of hand.
If the blogs say one thing, if the dev posts say one thing, and if somebody continues on saying the opposite of those...why wouldn't one consider a possible need for moderator intervention rather than continuing on posting replies?
If one is concerned that something they've posted will bite them in the TRIBBLE from getting a moderator involved, well then perhaps they shouldn't have posted it if they are not willing to accept the consequences of what they have posted.
Yes, I'm willing to go down in flames fighting against the sort of nonsense misinformation being presented...that garbage is a distraction and derails all the constructive negative feedback we could all be offering Cryptic...detracts from us being able to express our concerns that we don't want them to TRIBBLE us. It's one thing to complain about the various ways in which they are TRIBBLE us, it's one thing to complain about the various ways in which they may TRIBBLE us, and it's one thing to complain about stuff that's...well, Hell...pure fantasy.
If the blogs say one thing, if the dev posts say one thing, and if somebody continues on saying the opposite of those...why wouldn't one consider a possible need for moderator intervention rather than continuing on posting replies?
Where have I done such a thing?
If one is concerned that something they've posted will bite them in the TRIBBLE from getting a moderator involved, well then perhaps they shouldn't have posted it if they are not willing to accept the consequences of what they have posted.
Seeing as between the two of us, you're the one actively engaged in violating forum rules, I'm guessing this is referring to someone else.
Yes, I'm willing to go down in flames fighting against the sort of nonsense misinformation being presented...that garbage is a distraction and derails all the constructive negative feedback we could all be offering Cryptic...detracts from us being able to express our concerns that we don't want them to TRIBBLE us. It's one thing to complain about the various ways in which they are TRIBBLE us, it's one thing to complain about the various ways in which they may TRIBBLE us, and it's one thing to complain about stuff that's...well, Hell...pure fantasy.
"nonsense misinformation"
"garbage"
"fantasy"
Hyperbolic pejoratives are the tools used when valid, substantive replies are not available.
Scrap the whole T5-U idea. Instead, for 500 zen or so, you can unlock the skin of any ship you've gotten from a lockbox or in the C-Store or for Lobi accountwide and apply it to any ship of the same class.
So, everyone has to get a T6 ship, but if you pay your 500 zen, you can make your T6 Battlecruiser look like your Mogh Battlecruiser. Etc.
Cryptic gets their 500 zen per ship per account. You get a true T6 that looks just like the store one you worked/paid for.
Cryptic also saves a lot of coding and balance time getting the whole T5-U thing to work.
I'm curious how folks are viewing the future hierarchy based on the info from the two blogs and the dev posts in this thread. I see the following from what's been shared:
Perhaps that will help some understand the point I'm coming from in discussing the where ships will stand with Delta Rising as I understand it from what Cryptic has told us so far.
Scrap the whole T5-U idea. Instead, for 500 zen or so, you can unlock the skin of any ship you've gotten from a lockbox or in the C-Store or for Lobi accountwide and apply it to any ship of the same class.
So, everyone has to get a T6 ship, but if you pay your 500 zen, you can make your T6 Battlecruiser look like your Mogh Battlecruiser. Etc.
Cryptic gets their 500 zen per ship per account. You get a true T6 that looks just like the store one you worked/paid for.
Cryptic also saves a lot of coding and balance time getting the whole T5-U thing to work.
I had a similar idea where we ditch the current T6 ships and make all the current T5 ships a T6 version that looks exactly the same. Then we can trade in our T5s for full Zen value toward the T6s and cover the difference in Zen price if necessary.
I tried that to get a Fleet Negh'var.
And with a fleet that won't charge me to take it.
I had the Fleet Credits and the modules necessary.
All it achieved was to spend 20$ on Fleet Modules I couldn't use!
Which were promptly sent to exchange so I at least got some reimbursement out of them.
The conclusion of this exercise was that it's impossible to get Fleet ships from other starbases.
And I don't want another ship, I want my Sovereign class, as this is one of my favorite ship models.
That is what is annoying me, I feel I'm being penalized for choosing a free ship to be my favorite.
1: Get fleet creds
2: Get FSMs
3: Get about 10 mill ECs
4: WTB at home world zone chat
These four steps had served me well with 3 (would've been 4 if a fleet hadn't offer it to me for free if I joined) ships.
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You missed the part in your own damn post where you said T5-U and T6? I mean you freaking posted it and you didn't read it? FFS, people...
Yeah, they've said that T5-U/T6 ships will be better than T5 ships...they haven't hidden that. Are they required for anything outside of the mysterious queues that are not part of the "and most queues"...? No. But they haven't hidden that the T5-U/T6 ships will have advantages over the standard T5 ships. Fleet T5 ships are better than standard T5 ships too...oh noes! Seriously, FFS...
Might as well buy T4 ship on the theory that they havent ruled out any future upgrades so maybe they will keep it going ... ya never know... might happen!
Standard T6
Scaling HP 50-60
+1 BOFF ability
Hybrid Seats
Ability to unlock Starship Trait
T5-U10 vs. Standard T6
-1 BOFF ability/power
-hybrid seats
-ability to unlock Starship Trait
T5-U11 vs. Standard T6
-1 BOFF ability/power
-hybrid seats
-ability to unlock Starship Trait
+1 console
+hull health
+shield modifier (capacity & regeneration)
Remember when they introduced T5 ships?
Remember when they introduced T5 Refits/Retrofits?
Remember when they introduced Fleet T5 ships?
Remember when they introduced Lock Box/Lobi ships?
Everything at some point will dead end. The T6 ships will eventually dead end with Fleet T6. Fleet T6 will eventually dead end with T7. T7 will dead end with Fleet T7. Fleet T7 will dead end with T8. Etc, etc, etc...
What operating system are you running on your computer, eh?
Windows 1.0?
Windows 2.0?
Windows 3.0?
Windows 3.1? 3.11?
Windows 95?
Windows 98?
Windows 2000?
Windows ME?
Windows Vista?
Windows 7?
Windows 8? 8.1?
Do you have a cell phone? Have never models come out?
Do you have a TV? Have newer models come out?
Are you listening to music on vinyl, reel to reel, 8-track, cassette, mini-disc, compact disc, MP3?
Do you have a car? Have newer models come out?
Etc, etc, etc...
Yeah, at some point the T5-U ships will dead end. No sh...
I mean, like duh...why are you acting like it's some end of the world thing or some new discovery of something Cryptic is just starting to do...that it's not one of the most common things not only in gaming but with life in general that takes place?
If you think it's going to be a few weeks instead of a year or two...then why bother? It's not going to change.
I mean, Hell, every 3-6 months they've been coming out with ships far better than what came before...why have you stayed?
The difference is they aren't charging you to run T5 and be a step behind.
This system means one step behind still costs money and free now slides to 2-3 steps behind.
Basically it is an across-the-board price increase in order to maintain the same relative performance you have now.
Comparing Joe Scrub vs Mr. L337-9000! has no place in this discussion, make equal comparisons not statistical outliers on opposite ends of the spectrum.
For the Sovereign class ship in question, these are the criteria that have to be satisfied:
1. The BOFF stations have to be identical, so the skill layout can be transferred.
2. It has to be a ship compatible with the Sovereign skin.
If either of those criteria fail to be checked, then the deal is off.
I'm even willing to pay to upgrade this ship, so I am not insisting I get something for nothing.
The point of contention is that Cryptic has not factored in the fact that some players may wish to upgrade an ordinary T5 ship as opposed to something else.
And when I tried the experiment to see if I could get a fleet ship from someone else, the reason it failed is because I was not in their fleet.
And don't even bother suggesting I leave and rejoin, because that creates another batch of technical problems I wish to avoid.
I just find it a bit odd when I've been able to requisition various items from an allied fleet that this one thing should be locked down.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
They aren't charging you to run a step behind.
It's a player fabrication at this point that it would be a step behind.
How can you say this while saying that it's a step behind? If you're paying to maintain the relative performance, then you're not separating that performance.
It was an example that doesn't change...viability is still going to come down to the player...unless they're just so bad that the smallest of crutches makes them look viable.
Not confirmed, let alone beyond 50. We were after all once told T5 and Fleet T5 were comparable so I wouldn't be surprised if there is little to no difference when things are said and done. In the end until they post actual numbers it's all just talk.
Yes, because they were introduced in BETA. At this point there has NEVER been a Tier beyond 5. Tier 1 starts with the Miranda you started with yet most forget that.
Staying at the same tier while others advance to a higher one is falling a step behind.
The key word you're failing to understand is "relative". If my performance improves at the same rate as everyone else, that's maintaining performance relative to others. Remaining at the same performance level while the theoretical potential keeps moving forward is losing performance relative to others.
The gap has widened, period.
Right, I figured this was just the opening salvo to you going the usual route of "if you don't like it, it's because you're bad/L2P" usual self-masturbatory nonsense excuse.
The gear gap is going to have little to do with the ships, man...c'mon, you and I both know that all this discussion of the ships is ignoring that herd of white elephants stampeding through the room.
Mk XIV gear and beyond...
That stuff...oh man oh man...meh.
Staying free at Standard T5 is still free...since only the non-upgradeable T5 ships are being left behind. You're not paying to be left behind.
Between the Standard T5 free and everything else? It's been widening for a long time now...
How you got that from what I said makes about as much sense as anything else you've said...
There's a lot of folks that have faced that issue long before the mention of T6/T5-U ships though. Heck, you haven't gone to the Assault Refit because it doesn't have the BOFF seating you wanted, right? Regardless of the improvements that any upgraded version of the ship offered previously, much less will with the T5-U upgrades, it doesn't matter to you. You want to fly the ship you want...
...and outside of whatever is not part of that "and most queues"; Cryptic has said you can.
Course they have...they just don't care. For whatever reason, it's just worth it to them. Again, you'd like an Assault Refit with the Assault BOFF layout...you'd like a Fleet Assault Refit with the Assault BOFF layout. You don't have either of those...them not offering you a better ship with the BOFF layout you want isn't anything new in the least. There are countless folks that have been in that situation...Cryptic doesn't care.
Hell, they've even turned around and removed options - like what they did with the PER/FPER in changing the BOFF layout.
It's nothing new that this is happening with the T5-U/T6 stuff...meh. I just don't get why some folks are complaining about it as if it is something new. It would be one thing to say, "Oh great, they're doing it again!" and it's another how many posts are showing up as if this is the first time Cryptic has done a bunch of the stuff they're doing...
Yeah, you have to leave your fleet - join their fleet - to be able to make ship purchases as opposed to just getting an invite to make purchases like other items. It is a PITA to leave, join, leave, join...depending on the fleet you're leaving to join the other fleet, yeah...it can definitely be a major PITA to go through that. That experience will definitely vary from person to person. Would be nifty if at some point that Cryptic would change that to be like any other invite to map purchases...definitely.
Staying at the same tier while new tiers are added is falling behind.
I really don't understand what's hard to grasp about that.
I can currently be just one tier behind for free.
Under the proposed system, one tier behind (T5U/T5FU) costs money and free is now 2-3 steps behind.
Which is not to say that's a good thing, or should continue past a breaking point, and especially doesn't mean accelerating that trend will go well.
In other words: Appeal to Tradition fallacy.
I'm talking about how more powerful stat mods means higher performance. You keep injecting comments about bad players. Ergo, you want to look down your nose and judge people so much that you INJECT that topic into other discussions.
Compare equally skilled players in different tiers, that's the only way to get a valid comparison. Isolate 1 variable, simple scientific method. Not mess with multiple variables, pick 2 or 3 statistical outliers and act like that's relevant data.
That's the kind of thing people do when they want to win the argument just for the sake of winning it.
I wouldn't have said that...though, I wouldn't have said the vast majority of things you've said in the thread.
Takes me back to...
...and figuring you're trolling from a padded room.
Yeah, you guys say the most ridiculous things...folks disagree...get frustrated...mod intervention...you're free to continue saying the most ridiculous things.
Cause their POV...
1) Free ships that cost you nothing and cannot be upgraded to T5-U are going to cost you to stay the step behind you already are. (Can see where that would make perfect sense to you based on what you've said in the thread so far.)
2) Isolating a single variable to make a comparison is the way to go through and draw conclusions about all sorts of things involving a plethora of variables. (Can see where that would make perfect sense to you based on what you've said in the thread so far.)
3) Gear makes the player, not the player...in a game saturated with RNG. (Can see where that would make perfect sense to you based on what you've said in the thread so far.)
...is too absurd to bother arguing against.
Character attacks are totally on topic, though.
Not what I said.
The player skill variable is not changing from what exists now, stat mods are. Therefore stat mods is the variable I'm isolating.
Never suggested that whatsoever, that's what you keep trying to twist my words into.
And now you are off-topic and so was I but you couldn't help, but reply. Good luck! I'm done here. My work is done. I've made my points. Thanks for the memories STO. Hopefully, one day, you can understand the STO haiku.
When posts are so off base, it is difficult not to question either the sanity or the intent of the poster in regard to continued discussion.
There are plenty of folks that have made similar complaints...without any feeling of need in regard to questioning the sanity or intent of the poster.
There are folks raging left, right, and center in this thread...but they're raging based on the reality of the situation rather than some quirky collection of delusions.
One could say you should simply report such posts, right?
Well, that this thread: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1208161 :is still alive and kicking kind of tells us where we stand as far as moderation goes at the moment unfortunately...
"off base"
"question the sanity"
"raging"
"quirky"
"delusions"
Yeah, you have no moral high ground to stand on as far as asking for moderation.
See, that's one of those statements that just make me go "huh?" in reading it. One doesn't need any moral high ground to ask for moderation. Hell, I've reported myself when I've been involved in discussions getting out of hand.
If the blogs say one thing, if the dev posts say one thing, and if somebody continues on saying the opposite of those...why wouldn't one consider a possible need for moderator intervention rather than continuing on posting replies?
askray
bluegeek
pwecaptainsmirk
pwlaughingtrendy
Heck, there's the link: https://support.perfectworld.com/app/ask :if one wants to get a moderator involved.
If one is concerned that something they've posted will bite them in the TRIBBLE from getting a moderator involved, well then perhaps they shouldn't have posted it if they are not willing to accept the consequences of what they have posted.
Yes, I'm willing to go down in flames fighting against the sort of nonsense misinformation being presented...that garbage is a distraction and derails all the constructive negative feedback we could all be offering Cryptic...detracts from us being able to express our concerns that we don't want them to TRIBBLE us. It's one thing to complain about the various ways in which they are TRIBBLE us, it's one thing to complain about the various ways in which they may TRIBBLE us, and it's one thing to complain about stuff that's...well, Hell...pure fantasy.
Where have I done such a thing?
Seeing as between the two of us, you're the one actively engaged in violating forum rules, I'm guessing this is referring to someone else.
"nonsense misinformation"
"garbage"
"fantasy"
Hyperbolic pejoratives are the tools used when valid, substantive replies are not available.
Again, give some examples.
Scrap the whole T5-U idea. Instead, for 500 zen or so, you can unlock the skin of any ship you've gotten from a lockbox or in the C-Store or for Lobi accountwide and apply it to any ship of the same class.
So, everyone has to get a T6 ship, but if you pay your 500 zen, you can make your T6 Battlecruiser look like your Mogh Battlecruiser. Etc.
Cryptic gets their 500 zen per ship per account. You get a true T6 that looks just like the store one you worked/paid for.
Cryptic also saves a lot of coding and balance time getting the whole T5-U thing to work.
T5-U 11 console & T6 10 console
T5-U 10 console
T5 10 console
T5 9 console
Perhaps that will help some understand the point I'm coming from in discussing the where ships will stand with Delta Rising as I understand it from what Cryptic has told us so far.
I had a similar idea where we ditch the current T6 ships and make all the current T5 ships a T6 version that looks exactly the same. Then we can trade in our T5s for full Zen value toward the T6s and cover the difference in Zen price if necessary.
1: Get fleet creds
2: Get FSMs
3: Get about 10 mill ECs
4: WTB at home world zone chat
These four steps had served me well with 3 (would've been 4 if a fleet hadn't offer it to me for free if I joined) ships.