Priority One Podcast episode 175 -- Graphic Violence

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• mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1

  May 2014 edited May 2014

  Hello!
  
  I wanted to share my thoughts on the Orci/Star Trek 3 debate, because I know they're probably very unpopular.
  
  I liked the Abrams films. A lot. It got me back interested in Trek. I also know that it introduced Trek to people that never would have given it a second thought... because it did with a number of my friends. I won't try and convince anyone to like or not like the JJ-verse, and I don't think that is what Elijah/Tony was trying to do with their response. Feel free to like what you want.
  
  So, allow me to be another "devil's advocate"...
  
  I *do* think that it's wildly premature to deem Orci a failure before a single frame has been filmed, a single detail released. (Has Paramount even confirmed him officially?) Abrams is still producing the film, so I'm sure he will still have his hands in the process. Also, Kurtzman and Lindelof are not co-writing the film... that could fundamentally change the way the film turns out right there (and, yes, Kurtzman co-wrote Transformers 2 with Orci and Ehran Kruger). Orci seems like a big fan of Trek... the mentioned interview on Mission Log is a great look at the guy, and worth checking out.
  
  Is Orci a slam dunk? Absolutely not. Could it be a dud? Yes. But a "debacle"? In 2014, a good 24-36 months before the film releases?
  
  I say, wait and see!!!
  
  I also think that characterizing Orci as a "web troller" is rather unfair. If you poured time/heart into something, only to have it torn apart by the internet (which happens a hundred times a day on the internet)... how would you respond? Is it unfortunate that had to blow up at fans and drop the f-bomb? Of course. But, you have no idea what he was receiving before he blew up on Twitter. None of us do. The guy is only human, and the internet can be ruthless and unforgiving.
  
  I certainly don't know the guy, of course, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. For now.
  
  Thanks for the great show!!!

  

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• gl2814e Member Posts: 328 Arc User

  May 2014 edited May 2014

  Greetings Priority One Team.
  
  I've come to look forward to your podcast every week and this week did not disappoint.
  
  In regard to your weekly community question, I don't believe Roberto Orci will make a very good Star Trek director.
  
  Setting aside his inability to appropriately handle Star Trek fans' overly passionate criticism, (which I readily admit tends to be vitriolic to an extreme,) the guy has made a number of statements on Twitter and the StarTrek.com message boards that make him sound like a 9/11 Truther.
  
  While that may explain some of Into Darkness' plot, it does not make me confident in his ability to craft a story set in what I always thought of as a hopeful future.

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• orangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User

  May 2014 edited May 2014

  Can't agree with y'all on this one, guys. I absolutely LOVED Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen.

  
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• azurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User

  May 2014 edited May 2014

  kraft4406 wrote: »

  This week's Community Question
  

  • Do you think that Star Trek 3 is going to be an absolute disaster, or do you believe we should adopt a more wait-and-see attitude?

  
  After Into Darkness, I really had doubts about Star Trek 3. Instead of continuing their own genre, they heavily depended on the original Star Trek and ended up turning Into Darkness into a remake of Wrath of Khan. And this made me fear they would do the same with the third movie.
  
  And with Orci at the helm, it casts further doubts that Star Trek 3 might be good. His writing hasn't been stellar, and his disrespect of Star Trek fans gives me the impression he very well could put something in the new movie that would go against the core of Star Trek itself. But as a director, he might surprise us. He's been on many successful films and very well could've learned many things from Bay, Abrams, and other directors. Though to see Paramount put that kind of faith in someone who never directed before, seems like a gamble for them. So makes me wonder if they are tired of the new Star Trek?

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• theroyalfamily Member Posts: 300 Arc User

  May 2014 edited May 2014

  I'm not looking forward to it OrciTrek, but I am not going to write it off yet. Orci hasn't directed anything ever as far as I know, but there has to be a first time for everything, and I don't think the producers are going to let him go too far off, as far as that goes. There's a new writing team, so I do have hopes. And there's always the possibility that Orci was the Braga to Kurtzman's Berman; I've heard rumors that Orci resisted some of the especially dumb things from STID.

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• szerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User

  May 2014 edited May 2014

  Honestly, I just find it hard to care about New Trek 3 after the second movie.
  
  One of the core tenants of Star Trek has always been to aspire.. as a species, as a people. The first JJTrek movie made a barely passable effort to capture that - it ended on the hope that Kirk would strive to become worthy of that command. In the second movie though, he didn't become a better captain or grow as a person(and neither did the crew, really), it was the same petty squabbling between characters amid a tired and uncreative trope of 'Enemy Within'. Sure, it was flashy and entertaining as an Action movie, but it didn't provoke thought or offer inspiration about who we are as a people and a society.
  
  Who knows, perhaps we'll all be pleasantly surprised with OrciTrek. However, the direction of the series has kind of been cast already and I, for one, am not going to be holding my breath.
  
  
  As a Trekkie, I'm far more interested in seeing how Axanar turns out!

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• ddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps

  May 2014 edited May 2014

  I think all the negativity is working in Orci's favour. My expectations are so low at this point, anything could be a improvement over the TRIBBLE Into Darkness was.

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• eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User

  May 2014 edited May 2014

  First of all, while Orci and Kurtzman got writing credits for Transformer 2, but their script was heavily re-written by Bay and Ehren Kruger due to the SAG strike.
  
  Secondly, Orci made the mistake of actually talking to fans in on the internet. While the majority of us are normal people, there are those rabid, hateful, rose-colored fans who will hunt the internet for anyone or any topic that they feel personally attacks them and so they will attack with little or no humility.
  
  Thirdly, Into Darkness is not a remake of Wrath of Khan. Into Darkness was based more on a Star Trek Novel, called Dreadnought, with elements of Wrath of Khan placed into the movie, specifically the last forty minutes.
  
  I am not make a DOOM comment and I am going to wait for the movie to come out. I, personally, do think the newer Trek movies are not as bad as some make them out to be. I am hoping that the third movie goes into a new direction, since the first two have already established that we are in a new Trek Universe, so show us a new Trek Universe.

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• azurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User

  May 2014 edited May 2014

  eldarion79 wrote: »

  Thirdly, Into Darkness is not a remake of Wrath of Khan. Into Darkness was based more on a Star Trek Novel, called Dreadnought, with elements of Wrath of Khan placed into the movie, specifically the last forty minutes.

  
  They reused key moments from Wrath of Khan, and that's why many Star Trek fans regard it as a remake. Because they remade the Kahhhhhhn shout and the death scene.

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• onyxheart1 Member Posts: 347 Arc User

  May 2014 edited May 2014

  azurianstar wrote: »

  His writing hasn't been stellar, and his disrespect of Star Trek fans gives me the impression he very well could put something in the new movie that would go against the core of Star Trek itself.

  
  as was stated above, the writing he was involved in had heavy rewrites done to it by others in charge, changes he resisted.
  
  and as for direspecting Star Trek fans? more like the other way around, Star Trek 'fans' have been vitriolic and verbally abusive towards anyone they don't consider good enough, or who doesn't like certain parts of the fandom as zealously as they do.
  
  these are the kind of 'fans' Orci has been dealing with, and Abrams before him. they're the ones who are disrespectful.
  
  did he handle it badly? yeah he did, but everyone has their breaking point.

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  I for one am optimistic about the Orci movie, i liked both the new Trek movies, they were very entertaining, even if some stuff wasn't -exactly- like the Trek of old (Spock would quote IDIC...i'm not that logical, so i'll say change happens, deal with it :P)

  KDF for Life! Romulan at Heart Fed cause they made me ~ :P
  

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• rexnebular51 Member Posts: 20 Arc User

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  Did V'Lor happen to mention that Quantum Mechanics used to be called Starbase Command and that the current fleet leader stole it? No, probably not. The fleet did have leadership. As V'lor said, it was before the time of the fleet safeguards and it was easy to steal a fleet... so they did after kicking any remaining original founders [rightful owners]. You guys should do a podcast on the leaders of Starbase Command who, after getting kicked from their original fleet at T4, started from scratch and built a new fleet to T5. That's dedication to the game.

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• yellowteam1 Member Posts: 12 Arc User

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  Rexnebular51, that's not entirely accurate. As was mentioned in the podcast, the primary person leading the fleet disappeared. There was no clear chain of command, and there was no one taking control of the situation and keeping the fleet organized. The one person who seemed even remotely interested in doing so simply wasn't on often enough to run a fleet. With something like 20 odd people (people, not characters) at fleet leader rank, the situation was untenable. The rest of the so called "leadership" seemed more concerned with keeping their rank than actually moving the fleet forwards. There was no other safe way to resolve the issue. Any attempt at a discussion of a change in fleet rank structure would just get that person kicked and the problem would still exist.
  
  That said, no one was summarily kicked. Everyone at fleet leader was moved down one rank, and were allowed to retain virtually all of their administrative access that they had as fleet leaders. A privilege which several of them abused. Some people were so dissatisfied with what happened that they became extremely disruptive and/or verbally abusive. Their behavior was the reason why they were kicked. We originally had no intention of changing the fleet name either. Some of the people who had been demoted used their fleet access to change the name of the fleet to something rather rude, and then went and changed their other fleet name to Starbase Command, preventing it from being changed back. Hardly the behaviour of noble victims.

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• rexnebular51 Member Posts: 20 Arc User

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  You can use whatever justifications you want to but the fact remains that neither you nor your partner had any right to take control of a fleet that didn't belong to you. Both of you came in after the fleet was built all the way to T4. You saw the opportunity to seize control of a nearly fully built starbase and took it. And that, is entirely accurate.
  
  
  
  
  Um, aside from the fact that this is a) an argument, and b) sort of naming and shaming, this is definitely c) a necro and is being closed. ~ Bluegeek

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