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+1 console t6 and t5 upgrade question.
omegaphallic
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Is the +1 console for t6 and tu going to be universal or does it depend upon your ship?
And is the extra console for the t6 compared to normal ships like a Voq'ue that you get for free, or compared to fleet ships? aka is it 10 or 11 consoles.
And is the extra console for the t6 compared to normal ships like a Voq'ue that you get for free, or compared to fleet ships? aka is it 10 or 11 consoles.
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My assumption, based on t5 to fleet is a predetermined addition
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http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18831241&postcount=331
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18835641&postcount=618
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18862621&postcount=1701
More than asked for with regard to the second question? Sure...but it's stuff that should have been put in the blogs or in the OPs of the threads to cut down on threads like these.
If you go to the homepage of the forums, the third item down is Dev Tracker. You can use that to keep up to date with what the devs (&team) are posting on the forums.
... except none of those links actually answers the OP's question. IMO the 11th console will be added just like how the 10th consoles were added to fleet ships, but nobody but the devs know for sure.
OP had two questions...
...but I'll go back and edit my reply to point out that it is more than asked for in response to the second question.
The only question I don't have an answer for yet is if this bonus console will he universal.
Also learned that my Fleet +10% shields, +10% hull also appear to stack on top of what ever stat buffs these ships will get.
Also learned that for the most part t6's won't have stats as good as Lockbox ships. So Lockbox ships won't be "obsolete". Heck it seems my Fleet Corsair won't be "obsolete" either.
Also Ship Mastery level 5 is not the only way to get ship traits, so I was right about that awesome!
So the big difference between t6 and t5.5 upgrade is 1 extra 1 boff slot and a new type of boff for the t6's vs. +1 console and better stats, plus some unique stuff depending on the ship for the t5.5 upgrades.
I can't help but think that what really is bothering some people is that thier favourite ship is technically not the highest tier anymore, even if its equal or close, they don't have the title as such.
And we get this convoluted upgrade system because people can't handle gear invalidation.
I can only speculate.
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
On the other hand, some people think ships will get +1 to where they're weakest, so a cruiser that only has two sci consoles would get a third, etc.
speculation is fun!
As well as Tier 6 Lockbox, Lobi Store, and Grind ships will have 11 consoles. Although, we will have Tier 6 Lockbox and Lobi Store ships when DR launches and Tier 6 Grind ships when the Winter Event occurs. So there will be Tier 6 ships that have 11 consoles this year and not next year.
Well I assume you can upgrade your T5 ship at 50...which will be +1 console and all the other stuff...T6 will have it's stuff...as you level you will be in the same boat at 50 as to 60.
Except they aren't T6...they're T5-U just like everything else.
It's the nature of the beast, nothing fair about it. Just suck it up and buy the new thing.
Fleet gear outclass most XII VR gear, oh noes!
VR damage consoles are obsolete, oh noes!
ESD revamp instead of bug fixes, oh noes!
Craftng revamp is a total cash grab, oh noes!
And on and on. It's a game, they have to make money. Play or don't play. But please, keep venting if it makes you feel better.
You actually think the Lockbox and Lobi Store ships that are introduced in Delta Rising will be T5-U and not Tier 6? It is extremely doubtful that there will be any new Tier 5 or Tier 5.5 ships when Tier 6 ships will be available. We might see some more Tier 1 to Tier 4 C-Store ships, but not Tier 5 ships. The only new T5-U ships after the initial release that we might see are the ones that were missed for whatever reason.
I misread a little but how do you know that there will be T6 lock box ships? Plus how do you know these new lock box ships will be 11 consoles?
I don't have all of the facts...no one but Cryptic does...but do you imagine them charging 2500 zen for T6? I can't imagine they will be any cheaper than 3000-3500...I can't say for sure but I imagine T5 will be cheaper.
$25 dollars isn't peanuts for a lot of people...I know it isn't for me...but even if they charged $35 dollars for T6 I know it's still cheaper than those rip-offs of Mechs in MWO.
We don't know how far or how powerful the extra abilities of T6 will be...right now all I can say if it is what people mentioned and T5-U will get a extra console slot and T6 wont...maybe it's a decent trade off...maybe not...like I said I don't have all the answers.
It doesn't make sense for the next Lockbox ships to be Tier 5. New Tier 5 ships are a thing of the past. It is probably in relation to these ships that the devs mentioned that not every Tier 6 ship will get the Specialist Bridge Officer slot since Lockbox ships are non-faction ships.
Most Tier 5 ships have 9 consoles while Tier 5 lockbox ships have 10 consoles. Therefore, since Lockbox ships have an additional console over other Tier 5 ships, then a Tier 6 Lockbox ship must have an additional console over the other Tier 6 ships. So Tier 6 Lockbox ships have 11 consoles and other Tier 6 ships have 10 consoles.
Good, good! Let the hate flow.
So you're mad that T6 ships are available before level 60? What an odd concern... I guess I see your point but at the same time, who cares?
If you really want to play in your T5 ship, no one is stopping you.
Easy enough. Not everyone has day after day to spend grinding through the next 10 levels to unlock the new T6 ships, so allowing them to be made available at 50 allows more players access to them. Sounds fair to me, especially for people who have to work for a living and only have a small amount of time to play each day. And if that isn't good enough, there's always the fact that the leveling system for the new ships requires them to be available earlier than 60 so you can level them up.
The console bit is easy, from my second link earlier in the thread.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18831241&postcount=331
T6 ships have 10 console slots.
The +10% hull/shields is a bit more cumbersome, to be honest...pieced together rather than explicitly stated like the 10 console slots - though those 10 console slots play a role in piecing it together.
The T6 blog states...
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7001833-tier-6-ships
So the use of the term "standard" in telling us about the 10 console slots, the blog telling us the T6 ship has +1 console over the T5 ship, and the bit about level 50 T6 ships having the same hit points as a T5 ship...tells us they're comparing the T6 "standard" ship to the T5 "standard" ship.
From which point one looks at the following two items (again from the links earlier in the thread)...
With the Fleet T5 having the +10% hull/shield over the T5...and the Fleet T5-U maintaining that over the standard T5-U - as well as the a Lock Box ship being "Fleet" level rather than "standard" level - and the T6 being based as an upgrade on the "standard" T5...
...we get them telling us that the a "Fleet" level T5-U ship will have that +10% hull/shields over the "standard" T6 in a similar fashion to which they told us that the "Fleet" level T5-U will have 11 consoles compared to the 10 consoles of the "standard" T6 ship.
But no, as easy as all that is piece together...it's not quite the same as how they directly told us about the 10 consoles.
It would have definitely been simpler/easier for us (imho), if the chart at the bottom of the T5-U blog...
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7002133
...had included three columns instead of two.
Standard T5-U / Fleet T5-U / Standard T6
Because they want to sell the new ones, the old Lockbox ships may be stuck at TF(ive)-U-TRIBBLE-level, the new ones surely won't.
But...they still want to sell the old ones as well. Not everybody's going to be interested in the new ones, but they may be interested in the old ones still if they do not have it - they will not be as interested in them if they are subpar.
I hope they come to this conclusion too, what i have seen *so far* is a bit underwhelming, and i think i am not alone.
How many folks have bought Fleet versions of ships...for +1 console, +10% hull, and +10% shields?
So Cryptic is offering...+1 console, a scaling HP boost (based on the T6 blog example: +14.3% @60 - we do not know if that will be actual amount, it's just from the example given in blog and if that same scaling applies to T5-U ships), and Starship Mastery levels 1-4 which provide 4 passive abilities that further improve the ship.
Which is a better upgrade that folks got going from Standard to Fleet...