Perhaps I have. But then again, perhaps you have missed it, I already addressed this "misconception" - while we the players, and yeah, perhaps the Devs, nicknamed these T5x ships "endgame" - because they were the highest ship(s) at the time of the comment, nowhere have I seen advertising or mention from the Devs that they will automatically, and freely, remain "endgame" ships for whatever the endgame of the day is.
That's because PWE deleted those threads when they purged the forums....
ok Ladies and gentlemen this thread now caught my attention and i have to weigh in on this (to Coin a phrase) :
i'll break this down into points for ease of reference (cryptic please read)
#1 charging zen for an upgrade is a stupid idea!
reasoning.... most zen store ships at tier 5 are expensive as is. to get a fleet varient will also cost you an additiona 500 zen for the fleet module to get it.. now adding more cost to upgrade in real money is pushing your luck.
solution.... make the upgrades cost Dilithium that way the ppl can either go the quick and easy way yet the f2p gamers can easily grind for it.. a dilithium cost of 30k - 50k for the upgrade on the said tier5 ship is reasonable and doesnt break the bank on your player base.
#2 increase the dilithium refinement cap
reasoning.... most content within the game irregardless of gold or f2p status cost dil and or zen and the prices are quite steep.
solution.. increase the cap to 20k per day that way ppl can grind for their personal requirements , yet be able to contribute to fleet projects and reputation projects yet still will be able to aquire their upgrade of their favourite tier 5 ship.
#3 should a player have a zen store tier 5 purchase AND has a tier 5 fleet version of the same ship.. grant a significant (or free) upgrade on that ship...
reasoning.... ITS COMMON SENSE! it rewards loyalty to those players who worked their butts off for them and paid for them
solution ... SEE ABOVE!
#4 Allow free upgrade tokens as you level from 50 - 60
reasoning... this gives incentive as ppl level up,,, TO ACTUALLY LEVEL UP... the opportunity while leveling to earn an upgrade on one of their ships is not an unreasobale game element
solution... look back on your prior leveling tiers and again please use common sense.
#5 listen to your consumers..
reasoning... when life time gamers are quitting and uninstalling and gold monthly players are leaving due to this announcement and mindset from cryptic, the community has seen over the last several months i would say is a massive cause for concern business wise.
solution..... read EVERYTHING ON THIS THREAD FOR A CHANGE (especially my post) ... take it all on board then call a staff meeting and come to a reasonable solution that benefits ALL!
anyhoooo those are my thoughts on this subject..
i hope mine and all of the communities thoughts dont fall on deaf ears this time!
I would like to take this opportunity, with all the whining going on at near epic levels, to THANK Cryptic/PWE/Whoever for allowing us to upgrade our current, beloved ships.
With every other ship tier, you have told us "if you want the new level of ability, buy the new level ship". You could have easily informed us as much this time and simply stated that T5/Fleet ships would not be upgraded at all, they simply are what they are.
I appreciate that through this upgrade opportunity, we will be able to extend the useful life of your current, loved ships.
I am preparing to upgrade 2 ships on each of my 3 characters while looking over whatever T6/T6 Fleet ships are released and deciding if I wish to buy them or not.
One request I would like to make though, make the upgrade price as low as possible. 250 or a max of 500 Zen would be best as we HAVE in fact paid for these already. 250 would be better. Call it an "Upgrade Module" and sell them in the C-Store next to the Fleet Ship Modules.
So, thank you again for your time and attention to the game that some of us, love to play.
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No, I'm saying that its okay that your T5-U won't be the most powerful ship in the game. If you want to have the most powerful ship/loadout in the game, you will always be on a treadmill, constantly having to upgrade the ship and pieces of gear as new things come out. That's part of the hardcore playstyle. Its part of what makes it fun.
In this game, like any other game, people who devote more time and money to the game will always get more out of it than people who devote less time and money. That's life in the big city. You can't play casually and expect to compete with the hardcore.
Paper argument, again. My ship isn't the strongest in the game now, but it is at least on reasonably equal footing in terms of number of boff abilities and consoles with Scimitar vapers and the bug ships.
You aren't comparing a Nebula to a bugship when you compare T5U to T6. You're comparing a T4 ship to a T5 ship. One of those ships is suitable for endgame content. The other is not.
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ok Ladies and gentlemen this thread now caught my attention and i have to weigh in on this (to Coin a phrase) :
i'll break this down into points for ease of reference (cryptic please read)
#1 charging zen for an upgrade is a stupid idea!
reasoning.... most zen store ships at tier 5 are expensive as is. to get a fleet varient will also cost you an additiona 500 zen for the fleet module to get it.. now adding more cost to upgrade in real money is pushing your luck.
solution.... make the upgrades cost Dilithium that way the ppl can either go the quick and easy way yet the f2p gamers can easily grind for it.. a dilithium cost of 30k - 50k for the upgrade on the said tier5 ship is reasonable and doesnt break the bank on your player base.
#2 increase the dilithium refinement cap
reasoning.... most content within the game irregardless of gold or f2p status cost dil and or zen and the prices are quite steep.
solution.. increase the cap to 20k per day that way ppl can grind for their personal requirements , yet be able to contribute to fleet projects and reputation projects yet still will be able to aquire their upgrade of their favourite tier 5 ship.
#3 should a player have a zen store tier 5 purchase AND has a tier 5 fleet version of the same ship.. grant a significant (or free) upgrade on that ship...
reasoning.... ITS COMMON SENSE! it rewards loyalty to those players who worked their butts off for them and paid for them
solution ... SEE ABOVE!
#4 Allow free upgrade tokens as you level from 50 - 60
reasoning... this gives incentive as ppl level up,,, TO ACTUALLY LEVEL UP... the opportunity while leveling to earn an upgrade on one of their ships is not an unreasobale game element
solution... look back on your prior leveling tiers and again please use common sense.
#5 listen to your consumers..
reasoning... when life time gamers are quitting and uninstalling and gold monthly players are leaving due to this announcement and mindset from cryptic, the community has seen over the last several months i would say is a massive cause for concern business wise.
solution..... read EVERYTHING ON THIS THREAD FOR A CHANGE (especially my post) ... take it all on board then call a staff meeting and come to a reasonable solution that benefits ALL!
anyhoooo those are my thoughts on this subject..
i hope mine and all of the communities thoughts dont fall on deaf ears this time!
Cryptic has already stated you will not need T5U or T6 ships to do the new content - it is in the FAQ.
If you are itching to try the T5U or T6 ships you can do so on Tribble at any time for free - once DR Open Beta starts, and forever thereafter.
So at no time are you required to spend any money for the new things in the game unless you wish to - and even then you can grind and get them for free. I do not see how Cryptic can make it too much simpler and still make rent money.
And how many of those T5 ships without the Upgrades are going to be able to do an Elite Queue without the direct support of a T5U/T6 ship?
People can point at T4 ships in the Elite Queues all they want. But they convienantly ignore the fact theres almost always T5 and T5.5 ships doing the heavy lifting.
Without the upgrade. Sure youll get through the content. But its not likely youll be as competitive as Cryptic leads you to believe.
I have a Bortas and a Scimitar lined up so far and will likely look at the T6 Fed ship to see if it catches my fancy. None of my Fed ships are currently on the 'must upgrade' list. Maybe when I get the Oddy pack I will do one of those as well.
I will either upgrade my ships to T5U or buy some of the T6 ships...depending on which ones get released
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You aren't comparing a Nebula to a bugship when you compare T5U to T6. You're comparing a T4 ship to a T5 ship. One of those ships is suitable for endgame content. The other is not.
Really, the only difference between a T4 and T5 ship is one BOff slot? That's not a paper argument, its just plainly false.
From what I've seen of the Tier 6 Federation ships they are as ugly as hell. I'd rather stick with my Tier 5 ships. As for the upgrade, why not have the two upgrade paths. For $2 have the Tier 5-U and for $10 make it a Tier 6 ships.
Why do all small companies believe selling fewer items at a higher price is better than selling more items at a lower price. Think of the profit you could make off players upgrading their Tier 5 ships to a full Tier 6 ship, much more than buying just one new Tier 6 ship. This just smells of a money grab. :mad:
So much this! Whats laughable in all this is Cryptic is actually THROWING MONEY AWAY! They are betting all their fortunes on the design of T6 ships, when it seems 90% of the community think they are ugly. Theres no reason to shaft the upgrade options. Fully upgrading a T5 to ALL T6 abilities is much more enticing to bregrudgingly spend more, than buying a T6 you hate the look of. You didnt HAVE to make T6 stand out. Not with such a limited library of ships. T6 s will sell if people like the LOOKS. T5s all have the best looks of the game. This could very well be the financial decision that sinks this game LOL
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reasoning.... most content within the game irregardless of gold or f2p status cost dil and or zen and the prices are quite steep.
solution.. increase the cap to 20k per day that way ppl can grind for their personal requirements , yet be able to contribute to fleet projects and reputation projects yet still will be able to aquire their upgrade of their favourite tier 5 ship.
Don't have a Problem with that, so i can buy all the dilithium i need for the next Fleetholding for 5 (and the Reputation Gear... and the Fleetgear).
At a Dil Exchange Rate of 500:1.
(/sarcasm)
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
I have a Bortas and a Scimitar lined up so far and will likely look at the T6 Fed ship to see if it catches my fancy. None of my Fed ships are currently on the 'must upgrade' list. Maybe when I get the Oddy pack I will do one of those as well.
I'm looking at what looks like a T6 Defiant. If that is in fact what that is, I fully intend to buy it. If I can use my existing Defiant skin on it, so much the better.
As for the Klingon and Romulan. I'm not a huge fan of raptors, but if they release a T6 B'rel I would probably buy it too, without hesitation.
"Go play with your DPS in the corner, I don't care how big it is." ~ Me "There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
So much this! Whats laughable in all this is Cryptic is actually THROWING MONEY AWAY! They are betting all their fortunes on the design of T6 ships, when it seems 90% of the community think they are ugly. Theres no reason to shaft the upgrade options. Fully upgrading a T5 to ALL T6 abilities is much more enticing to bregrudgingly spend more, than buying a T6 you hate the look of. You didnt HAVE to make T6 stand out. Not with such a limited library of ships. T6 s will sell if people like the LOOKS. T5s all have the best looks of the game. This could very well be the financial decision that sinks this game LOL
Given the current controversy over the ship upgrades, might I suggest STO consider simply selling console slots via Zen, Di, Fleet Credits, or whatever?
The upgrade for older ships was a fine idea, but didn't go far enough and was too obviously an effort to milk the players.
On the other hand, I wouldn't mind buying two or three engineering console slots, or maybe an extra forward weapon slot, or maybe three or four device slots for my favorite ship. Why restrict these things arbitrarily? Money on ship sales? Well, hey, why not make money selling console slots, and make money on volume?
I'd buy ten device slots in a heartbeat.
TBH I'd rather be flying a TOS Enterprise for nostalgia sake, and just buy slots for the thing so it can be as good as a dreadnought.
No, I don't want to hear about realism. It's a game, a fantasy, not a military simulation. If it was supposed to be realistic, ships would be able to do 360 degree rolls on the "y" axis. Instead they fly like WWII airplanes and stall out.
And please, no "power creep" whiners. The "power creep" bugaboo meme is bogus. I'd rather be in a pve game with other players who have powerful ships to get the grind over with as soon as possible. And as for PVP players who want things to be "fair", find players w/ships that are evenly matched to you.
The point of long-term games like STO is to invest in your character and ship over time and build up abilities etc., not run around being handicapped.
Tell me with a straight face that ships with fewer boff slots are as good as ships with more. Go on. I'm waiting.
You're changing the argument now. In your last post, you said you didn't mind if there were other, more powerful ships, as long as yours was 'in the same range'. Give or take a single BOff slot, with all else being equal, is to me well within the same range.
Now all of a suddent you want 'equal'. Either you're okay with your T5-U not being the best in the game, or you're not. You can't switch back and forth to try to win an internet argument.
I'm surprised no ones mentioned what a rip off ship upgrades are as far as prices. Take my ship for example, I have all three Odyssey variants so I could put all three consoles on one ship. That was a lot of money weather you buy the 3 pack or if you missed the chance, buying each ship separate like I did. And now I'm told if I want to upgrade I have to pay all over again? That's a rip off. Yes I know they said lock box ships are upgraded free but what about those of us who bought cash shop ships? How come we don't get a free upgrade?
I have a Bortas and a Scimitar lined up so far and will likely look at the T6 Fed ship to see if it catches my fancy. None of my Fed ships are currently on the 'must upgrade' list. Maybe when I get the Oddy pack I will do one of those as well.
As far as must upgrade.... I definitely will my Scimitar, Mogh, Avenger and Galaxy-X..... my Vesta is on the maybe list.
ok Ladies and gentlemen this thread now caught my attention and i have to weigh in on this (to Coin a phrase) :
i'll break this down into points for ease of reference (cryptic please read)
#1 charging zen for an upgrade is a stupid idea!
reasoning.... most zen store ships at tier 5 are expensive as is. to get a fleet varient will also cost you an additiona 500 zen for the fleet module to get it.. now adding more cost to upgrade in real money is pushing your luck.
solution.... make the upgrades cost Dilithium that way the ppl can either go the quick and easy way yet the f2p gamers can easily grind for it.. a dilithium cost of 30k - 50k for the upgrade on the said tier5 ship is reasonable and doesnt break the bank on your player base.
#2 increase the dilithium refinement cap
reasoning.... most content within the game irregardless of gold or f2p status cost dil and or zen and the prices are quite steep.
solution.. increase the cap to 20k per day that way ppl can grind for their personal requirements , yet be able to contribute to fleet projects and reputation projects yet still will be able to aquire their upgrade of their favourite tier 5 ship.
#3 should a player have a zen store tier 5 purchase AND has a tier 5 fleet version of the same ship.. grant a significant (or free) upgrade on that ship...
reasoning.... ITS COMMON SENSE! it rewards loyalty to those players who worked their butts off for them and paid for them
solution ... SEE ABOVE!
#4 Allow free upgrade tokens as you level from 50 - 60
reasoning... this gives incentive as ppl level up,,, TO ACTUALLY LEVEL UP... the opportunity while leveling to earn an upgrade on one of their ships is not an unreasobale game element
solution... look back on your prior leveling tiers and again please use common sense.
#5 listen to your consumers..
reasoning... when life time gamers are quitting and uninstalling and gold monthly players are leaving due to this announcement and mindset from cryptic, the community has seen over the last several months i would say is a massive cause for concern business wise.
solution..... read EVERYTHING ON THIS THREAD FOR A CHANGE (especially my post) ... take it all on board then call a staff meeting and come to a reasonable solution that benefits ALL!
anyhoooo those are my thoughts on this subject..
i hope mine and all of the communities thoughts dont fall on deaf ears this time!
Pretty much this. But people will never get it. Newbies, mostly.
Constructive feedback?? i wonder what that means for cryptic, seriously. Because everything we say, it doesnt matter if its really useful or not, its been always ignored by cryptic. They proved it for 2 years now.
If I could delete your comment from this thread I would, it completely goes against the point of this thread. If you want to rage go elsewhere, there are PLENTY of rage threads in existence but this is NOT one of them. Cryptic does their best to please the player base but most people don't know what they want or their ideas are stupid and would destroy the game. Cryptic is the expert on this game and although our feedback helps them they must do what they feel is in the best interest of the game. Kindly refer to my first post in which I explicitly stated that this thread is not for raging and then find some place else to spew the toxic waste which you call 'Constructive Feedback'.
P.S. Having faith in Humanity does NOT make me a N00B.
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Keltoi Class... fan design. You KNOW you want one In-game!
At least give us the ability to research an upgrade module through the R&D System... This would benefit the economy ingame and a player would be able to upgrade his ship via ingame method.
I am still disappointed how Fleet ships need to be paid tripple to be at "end-tier"
As a longtime MMO vet, I've gotten used to gear going obsolete with every expansion (it happens, get over it). That said, I'm glad for the upgrade capability as well. To me, it shows that Cryptic/PWE does care enough about their customers to at least TRY to keep some value in money already spent, while still leaving the door open to make more money (money is what makes the world go round, after all).
I plan to upgrade my Oddy on my main toon, slap the work bees console on it (for the 2pc bonus with chevron sep), and go merrily about my business. As for the T6 ships or my other toons, we'll see what comes down the pipeline!
Since literally every other MMO I have ever played has made 100% of my items and gear instantly obsolete at every expansion/level cap increase, I really don't get all of the whining.
Because in this game a ship is not gear. Your ship is your space class and avatar. When Blizzard expands WoW do they make you choose a new class for your existing characters?
Most are not concerned over replacing ship equipment and ground gear, THAT is the natural grind of MMO Expansion. We're being asked to ditch our classes/avatar or pay to keep it barely relevant.
I'm glad they are not attacking like most mmo company's and a saying "to bad all your stuff is obsolete". Allowing us to upgrade old gear for new a new level expansions was a good thing.
Corporations, by definition, cannot be greedy. Corporations exist to make money. That is their sole purpose for existence. They cannot be greedy or generous. Corporations that make more money or are better at making money are better corporations. Corporations that make less money or are worse at making money are worse corporations. Every single company you will ever deal with in this world has only one goal: maximizing profits. In the United States, its literally illegal for them to do anything else. The stockholders can sue if the officers do anything other than maximize their dividends.
What you want is to get more out of the game while playing it less and investing less money. How is that in Cryptic's interest?
I understand how you might think that. However, I live in a state in the US that was the home of one of the largest grocery store chains, at one time. They tried to live by that way of thinking, and tried to cash in as much as possible. However, when communities that lived around their stores saw their competitor wanting to come into the area, they fought the larger chain to help their competitor get into the area.
Why? Because their competitor was being greedy, and trying to cash in on their customers as much as they could. Then, with that money, they tried to keep their competitors out of areas they had their stores in. However, they failed, and the company that charged less came in, and started doing more business than the larger chain ever did in the same place.
So, just because they are greedy, and make more money at the time, doesn't make them successful. A lot, if not most, people like to get more for their money. For that reason, they look for the better deal. This is also why companies have competitive prices. They know that people want more bang for their buck, and look for the better deal.
Sometimes the company that makes more money is the one that has better prices (lower), and offers the best benefit for that money. This helps them make more, because they are able to move more product. Whereas the greedy company loses business, because they try to nickel and dime their customers to death.
So, in real world business, yes a company can be more successful, while at the same time being generous. Even when I was working in the family business years ago (before health problems prevented it), we made tons of money, even more than those charging more, because we offered more for the money paid is. We had so much business that we had to start turning away customers, because we had too much work as it was.
Now, about what I want, no I don't want "to get more out of the game while playing it less and investing less money". I would rather get more out of the game while playing more, and the investment I put into it giving back what it is worth. Personally, I do think that the nickel and dime way of charging customers is not the best way of doing business.
Even with the T6 ships, there are T5 ships that I would still want, as well as new T6 ships. If I could just spend a one time fee per account to unlock the upgrade for all T5 ships on my account, and that price was reasonable, I would continue buying more T5 ships, was well as the T6 ones. You asked how offering the upgrade at a single (decent) account wide price would benefit them as a company. This is how.
I know that I am not the only one who sees some T5 ships they still want, just because of the way they look, gear, or other reasons. But to tell them that for each one they want, they will need to spend an additional cost to upgrade, that will discourage it. However, if they know that they had already spent the upgrade fee for all ships, they could buy more T5 ships that they might not buy otherwise.
This is where generosity can lead to larger profits, instead of trying to nickel and dime customers at every turn. Just think of how many T5 ships that will never get sold because they will need two different cost to make them competitive with T6 at level 60.
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Id take almost any system over the on we have now... was doing some maths on how much getting a ship to top end will now cost and the cost to upgrade all my ships, I have to say im not so hungry as I was now lol!
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I'm looking at what looks like a T6 Defiant. If that is in fact what that is, I fully intend to buy it. If I can use my existing Defiant skin on it, so much the better.
As for the Klingon and Romulan. I'm not a huge fan of raptors, but if they release a T6 B'rel I would probably buy it too, without hesitation.
that is a sweet ship...I may get it for my main
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That's because PWE deleted those threads when they purged the forums....
i'll break this down into points for ease of reference (cryptic please read)
#1 charging zen for an upgrade is a stupid idea!
reasoning.... most zen store ships at tier 5 are expensive as is. to get a fleet varient will also cost you an additiona 500 zen for the fleet module to get it.. now adding more cost to upgrade in real money is pushing your luck.
solution.... make the upgrades cost Dilithium that way the ppl can either go the quick and easy way yet the f2p gamers can easily grind for it.. a dilithium cost of 30k - 50k for the upgrade on the said tier5 ship is reasonable and doesnt break the bank on your player base.
#2 increase the dilithium refinement cap
reasoning.... most content within the game irregardless of gold or f2p status cost dil and or zen and the prices are quite steep.
solution.. increase the cap to 20k per day that way ppl can grind for their personal requirements , yet be able to contribute to fleet projects and reputation projects yet still will be able to aquire their upgrade of their favourite tier 5 ship.
#3 should a player have a zen store tier 5 purchase AND has a tier 5 fleet version of the same ship.. grant a significant (or free) upgrade on that ship...
reasoning.... ITS COMMON SENSE! it rewards loyalty to those players who worked their butts off for them and paid for them
solution ... SEE ABOVE!
#4 Allow free upgrade tokens as you level from 50 - 60
reasoning... this gives incentive as ppl level up,,, TO ACTUALLY LEVEL UP... the opportunity while leveling to earn an upgrade on one of their ships is not an unreasobale game element
solution... look back on your prior leveling tiers and again please use common sense.
#5 listen to your consumers..
reasoning... when life time gamers are quitting and uninstalling and gold monthly players are leaving due to this announcement and mindset from cryptic, the community has seen over the last several months i would say is a massive cause for concern business wise.
solution..... read EVERYTHING ON THIS THREAD FOR A CHANGE (especially my post) ... take it all on board then call a staff meeting and come to a reasonable solution that benefits ALL!
anyhoooo those are my thoughts on this subject..
i hope mine and all of the communities thoughts dont fall on deaf ears this time!
all the best
MINDWIPE
With every other ship tier, you have told us "if you want the new level of ability, buy the new level ship". You could have easily informed us as much this time and simply stated that T5/Fleet ships would not be upgraded at all, they simply are what they are.
I appreciate that through this upgrade opportunity, we will be able to extend the useful life of your current, loved ships.
I am preparing to upgrade 2 ships on each of my 3 characters while looking over whatever T6/T6 Fleet ships are released and deciding if I wish to buy them or not.
One request I would like to make though, make the upgrade price as low as possible. 250 or a max of 500 Zen would be best as we HAVE in fact paid for these already. 250 would be better. Call it an "Upgrade Module" and sell them in the C-Store next to the Fleet Ship Modules.
So, thank you again for your time and attention to the game that some of us, love to play.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
Paper argument, again. My ship isn't the strongest in the game now, but it is at least on reasonably equal footing in terms of number of boff abilities and consoles with Scimitar vapers and the bug ships.
You aren't comparing a Nebula to a bugship when you compare T5U to T6. You're comparing a T4 ship to a T5 ship. One of those ships is suitable for endgame content. The other is not.
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And how many of those T5 ships without the Upgrades are going to be able to do an Elite Queue without the direct support of a T5U/T6 ship?
People can point at T4 ships in the Elite Queues all they want. But they convienantly ignore the fact theres almost always T5 and T5.5 ships doing the heavy lifting.
Without the upgrade. Sure youll get through the content. But its not likely youll be as competitive as Cryptic leads you to believe.
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Really, the only difference between a T4 and T5 ship is one BOff slot? That's not a paper argument, its just plainly false.
So much this! Whats laughable in all this is Cryptic is actually THROWING MONEY AWAY! They are betting all their fortunes on the design of T6 ships, when it seems 90% of the community think they are ugly. Theres no reason to shaft the upgrade options. Fully upgrading a T5 to ALL T6 abilities is much more enticing to bregrudgingly spend more, than buying a T6 you hate the look of. You didnt HAVE to make T6 stand out. Not with such a limited library of ships. T6 s will sell if people like the LOOKS. T5s all have the best looks of the game. This could very well be the financial decision that sinks this game LOL
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Don't have a Problem with that, so i can buy all the dilithium i need for the next Fleetholding for 5 (and the Reputation Gear... and the Fleetgear).
At a Dil Exchange Rate of 500:1.
(/sarcasm)
I'm looking at what looks like a T6 Defiant. If that is in fact what that is, I fully intend to buy it. If I can use my existing Defiant skin on it, so much the better.
As for the Klingon and Romulan. I'm not a huge fan of raptors, but if they release a T6 B'rel I would probably buy it too, without hesitation.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
Tell me with a straight face that ships with fewer boff slots are as good as ships with more. Go on. I'm waiting.
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This among many things, but yes.
The upgrade for older ships was a fine idea, but didn't go far enough and was too obviously an effort to milk the players.
On the other hand, I wouldn't mind buying two or three engineering console slots, or maybe an extra forward weapon slot, or maybe three or four device slots for my favorite ship. Why restrict these things arbitrarily? Money on ship sales? Well, hey, why not make money selling console slots, and make money on volume?
I'd buy ten device slots in a heartbeat.
TBH I'd rather be flying a TOS Enterprise for nostalgia sake, and just buy slots for the thing so it can be as good as a dreadnought.
No, I don't want to hear about realism. It's a game, a fantasy, not a military simulation. If it was supposed to be realistic, ships would be able to do 360 degree rolls on the "y" axis. Instead they fly like WWII airplanes and stall out.
And please, no "power creep" whiners. The "power creep" bugaboo meme is bogus. I'd rather be in a pve game with other players who have powerful ships to get the grind over with as soon as possible. And as for PVP players who want things to be "fair", find players w/ships that are evenly matched to you.
The point of long-term games like STO is to invest in your character and ship over time and build up abilities etc., not run around being handicapped.
You're changing the argument now. In your last post, you said you didn't mind if there were other, more powerful ships, as long as yours was 'in the same range'. Give or take a single BOff slot, with all else being equal, is to me well within the same range.
Now all of a suddent you want 'equal'. Either you're okay with your T5-U not being the best in the game, or you're not. You can't switch back and forth to try to win an internet argument.
As far as must upgrade.... I definitely will my Scimitar, Mogh, Avenger and Galaxy-X..... my Vesta is on the maybe list.
I support this idea.
If I could delete your comment from this thread I would, it completely goes against the point of this thread. If you want to rage go elsewhere, there are PLENTY of rage threads in existence but this is NOT one of them. Cryptic does their best to please the player base but most people don't know what they want or their ideas are stupid and would destroy the game. Cryptic is the expert on this game and although our feedback helps them they must do what they feel is in the best interest of the game. Kindly refer to my first post in which I explicitly stated that this thread is not for raging and then find some place else to spew the toxic waste which you call 'Constructive Feedback'.
P.S. Having faith in Humanity does NOT make me a N00B.
Keltoi Class... fan design. You KNOW you want one In-game!
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I am still disappointed how Fleet ships need to be paid tripple to be at "end-tier"
I plan to upgrade my Oddy on my main toon, slap the work bees console on it (for the 2pc bonus with chevron sep), and go merrily about my business.
Because in this game a ship is not gear. Your ship is your space class and avatar. When Blizzard expands WoW do they make you choose a new class for your existing characters?
Most are not concerned over replacing ship equipment and ground gear, THAT is the natural grind of MMO Expansion. We're being asked to ditch our classes/avatar or pay to keep it barely relevant.
I understand how you might think that. However, I live in a state in the US that was the home of one of the largest grocery store chains, at one time. They tried to live by that way of thinking, and tried to cash in as much as possible. However, when communities that lived around their stores saw their competitor wanting to come into the area, they fought the larger chain to help their competitor get into the area.
Why? Because their competitor was being greedy, and trying to cash in on their customers as much as they could. Then, with that money, they tried to keep their competitors out of areas they had their stores in. However, they failed, and the company that charged less came in, and started doing more business than the larger chain ever did in the same place.
So, just because they are greedy, and make more money at the time, doesn't make them successful. A lot, if not most, people like to get more for their money. For that reason, they look for the better deal. This is also why companies have competitive prices. They know that people want more bang for their buck, and look for the better deal.
Sometimes the company that makes more money is the one that has better prices (lower), and offers the best benefit for that money. This helps them make more, because they are able to move more product. Whereas the greedy company loses business, because they try to nickel and dime their customers to death.
So, in real world business, yes a company can be more successful, while at the same time being generous. Even when I was working in the family business years ago (before health problems prevented it), we made tons of money, even more than those charging more, because we offered more for the money paid is. We had so much business that we had to start turning away customers, because we had too much work as it was.
Now, about what I want, no I don't want "to get more out of the game while playing it less and investing less money". I would rather get more out of the game while playing more, and the investment I put into it giving back what it is worth. Personally, I do think that the nickel and dime way of charging customers is not the best way of doing business.
Even with the T6 ships, there are T5 ships that I would still want, as well as new T6 ships. If I could just spend a one time fee per account to unlock the upgrade for all T5 ships on my account, and that price was reasonable, I would continue buying more T5 ships, was well as the T6 ones. You asked how offering the upgrade at a single (decent) account wide price would benefit them as a company. This is how.
I know that I am not the only one who sees some T5 ships they still want, just because of the way they look, gear, or other reasons. But to tell them that for each one they want, they will need to spend an additional cost to upgrade, that will discourage it. However, if they know that they had already spent the upgrade fee for all ships, they could buy more T5 ships that they might not buy otherwise.
This is where generosity can lead to larger profits, instead of trying to nickel and dime customers at every turn. Just think of how many T5 ships that will never get sold because they will need two different cost to make them competitive with T6 at level 60.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
that is a sweet ship...I may get it for my main
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