Okay, I'll eat some crow as overall, it seems like the C-Store and Fleet ships across the board are covered. (And yes, I do think an associated 'upgrade cost' is fair to a point, so as long as it's proportional to the original cost of the ship, and not over say 10 % to 20% of said cost, I'm okay with it -- YMMV.)
The above said, I DO think the most recently released ships like the Odyssey Class, Avenger Class, the Dyson Sphere Science ships across the board , the latest Patrol Escort Retrofit (don't recall the class name) the KDF Bortas and Mogh Class ships SHOULD be able to become FULL T6 ships with a ship trait, special Boff seat, etc. Reason: Honestly IN THE GAME LORE these are all the 'latest tech ships' from the various star nations, just released late 2409 - early 2410. I mean, COME ON - THERE'S NO WAY THE NEW 1701-F ODYSSEY CLASS 'ENTERPRISE'WOULD NOT BE A FULL T6 SHIP WITH ALL THAT ENTAILS.
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Eh this seems kinda equitable - not stupendous, but equitable....
I just think of a car dealer; you buy a 2014 car, and the 2015 models are notably better. Most dealers I would think say "sorry tough luck", so this seems, eh, mostly reasonable....(prolly get flame for this)...
Yeah but what if we have multiple ships over multiple toons that we consider their ship. We now have to spend what 5-10 bucks a pop upgrading ships? Sorry bit asinine.
Huh?
At most, it will take me $30 to upgrade all of my ships... maybe as little as $15. Unless I buy more ships.
Charging Zen (effectively cash) for an upgrade that isn't really much of an upgrade, after charging full whack for a ship (all those T5 & T4-to-T5 C-Store ships), then again for the fleet modules to get an 'upgrade' to a fleet ship.
Also, why do I now have the feeling that the expectation is for people to shell out up to 50 quid/USD/EUR(as it is in Neverwinter for a gorram horse)?
Placing the above into numbers.
2000 Zen for the Gal-X
500 more for a fleet module to 'upgrade' to fleet.
And now you potentially want even more (500-1000, going by what I've seen & heard) for a halfway upgrade to hull & console capacity?!
This is a dumber idea than the UK taxation policy on fuel has been for the last 20 sodding years. (double taxation, essentially charging tax on a tax)
Suffice it to say I am Royally ticked off at the prospect of having to pay a third time for my defiant just to still have it still short of being up to par.
So much for "No T5 ship will be left behind." What a joke.
Anyhoo, I can understand the want/desire/need to differentiate, but if you intend to go ahead with charging for this, be very, very careful with what you break off and how you much you charge (current value proposition has negative value for consumer).
The current vagaries in relation to costs doesn't help at this point. Maybe you guys should have held back until you had hard values to say (including the cost of T6 ships, 'significantly lower' is not enough detail when you're basically telling someone "want to keep using that ship you love? Well, you're gonna need to pay up again.")
For the record: This is me being civil. An uncivil post from me on this would consist of only 2 words, and be in all caps, and bright red.
i didnt see the morbious destryer in the lobi store free upgrade area since its a lobi store ship but i am guessing is that its part of the mirrior ship class it doesnt get a free upgrade
I'm betting it's just a typo since the Hirogen ships are on there twice....Edit: & the Elachi
Great, so no starship trait, additional boff ability or specialist boff slot.
And special ships are not t6....
All current ships will be outdated, real/serious players will fly with t6 ships and will only queue with others of the same tier...
Just great, I love that my lobi/lockbox ships are getting a free semi upgrade, but it sucks that they aren't top of the line anymore.
"Bells and whistles" means added fluff that don't do anything
So unless the specialist boff turns your impulse trail into rainbows, the 5th level mastery level being useless, the starship trait being a visual mod,
Ya....that doesn't sound like it'll be fluff to me.
And what of future lobi/lock box ships? Are they going to default to t5.9?
So all the ships I paid money for now are going to be garbage unless I pay even more (or they were $200+ ships in the first place)? And even then they're still going to be garbage compared to "pure" T6 ships?
What a ****ty thing to do. And what are the T6 ships going to cost then? $40? $50? Then you have to buy a triple bundle just to have the consoles, so then it's what... $100 for one ship? I guess that would put STO on par with NWO.
Sad, I just dumped a ton of cash on this game and looks like in 2 months I'm going to have to pay a ransom to keep playing the way I want to play the nostalgia game, and be a gimp in the process. I think I'll pass and take my business elsewhere until I see otherwise.
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Rom Eng: DSD
Rom Sci: Mogai refit
that's 9 ships bucko, 5-10 bucks a shot right there. Now I could cut it down to my 3 mains but that's still the Avenger, B'Rel Refit and DSD. still 15 bucks.
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For anyone wondering, I just went through my own ship rosters and marked down all the ships that I own and will now need to pay to upgrade. The end total, based on the prices given in the blog, is in the region of $130 - $260 of Zen (26x$5/$10).
That's what you get for being a loyal fan of the game.
Which is bad enough when you then consider all the ships I didn't mention because they're not going to be included - such as my Mirror Vo'Quv, which is one of my toons' main ship.
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The ship traits go in a trait slot, so they can be used on any ship, from T1 to T6.
I don't think so. It specifically says 'Starship Traits' and that T5-U ships will not get these traits. T6 ships will have a special extra slot for the Starship Traits that T5-U ships will not get. T5-U ships will get the first 4 Starship Mastery Traits but not the fifth trait slot which will be a special 'Starship Trait'.
Think of it like how Science Vessels will have a secondary deflector slot. T6 ships get a special slot for Starship Traits at Starship Mastery Five that T5-U ships won't ever be able to get or slot.
I have to be honest, I'm not impressed. Tier 5-U has considerable losses over true tier 6, one less boff ability, a gimped mastery system, they will never be able to truly compete on the same level as tier 6. This is especially insulting in the case of the 1000 day veteran ships, a lifetime sub and you can't even make the top reward useful at end game? Nope, sorry, for the most part I'm fine with the decisions you guys make but this is... tier 5-U is 'competitive' with tier 6 in the same way a c-store ship is 'competitive' with it's fleet version (probably even less so, come to think of it). The fact that a good player can beat a bad one while piloting the lesser ship doesn't change the fact that one of the ships is objectively superior.
I don't want to be that guy and nitpick all the work you guys are doing but....
There are some of us that enjoy the mirror universe storyline. When I created my character at launch, I had the mirror universe in mind. When there was mirror pve, I was happy. When mirror ship were available to get, I got them. In fact members of my fleet all get a mirror ships when they reach a certain rank with us. It's bad enough that the pve got turned into a special event, but not including the mirror ships in the update is just bad. These ships are still on the exchange, some for a lot of energy credits. People are still using them, and yet these player are ignored.
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They said in the T6 blog yesterday that not every T6 ship will have Specialist BOFF slots.
So they're technically are T6, just without the ability to gain a trait.
Wrong. They will also lack a bridge officer power. And that is huge.
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This upgrade process makes no sense at all. It completely negates any reason to have a fleet ship system. All the work done in the fleet starbase system is now essentially pointless from this point onward.
Players already have to play a staggering 4 fleet module (2000 zen) cost to get a fleet ship on every single character they wish to obtain the ship upon. Some ships have a C-store version that allows players to pay 2,500 zen to drop the price of that specific fleet ship down to 1 fleet module (500 zen). Thus, players are already paying 2,000 zen to obtain a single fleet starship and 3,000 zen (+500 each character) if they wish to obtain the C-store version for multi-character discounts + a fleet ship.
The Tier V upgrade system makes it possible for players to spend zen to upgrade something we have already spent money on once or twice to obtain. Thus players will need to buy a C-store ship, buy a fleet module to upgrade the ship to fleet level, and then buy the Tier VI upgrade to make the ship "competitive". Yet the upgrade doesn't even make the Tier V ship a true Tier VI ship because Cryptic wants to make the C-store Tier VI ships "unique". That in turn makes every upgraded Tier V ship obsolete in Space PvP.
In my opinion the Tier V upgrade system is a terribly broken. The podcast interviews stated that the primary goal of Delta Rising was to avoid nullifying all the time, effort, and money players have invested into their old Tier V fleet ships. Yet this is exactly what the upgrade system does as no Space PvP player will be able to compete in a Tier V upgraded ship against a Tier VI player with an extra bridge officer station, unique bridge officer abilities, and unique traits. Differences like that don't make much difference in PvE, but they make all the difference in PvP.
There will now essentially be a five tiered system in Space PvP; Mirror Lockbox/Dilithium/C-Store Starship, Upgraded C-Store Starship, Fleet Starship, Upgraded Fleet Starship/Lockbox Ship/Lobi Ship, and then Tier VI ship. That is truly a poor system to balance for because the ship with the most "upgrades" will come out on top in the end. Cryptic is further and further increasing the barrier to entry within PvP by continually raising the cost to purchase a viable starship. This alone is quite intensive before piling on the need to run through five reputation systems and purchase extremely rare duty officers that can cost players extremely high amounts of energy credits. It is as it Cryptic has no desire to see PvP within this game succeed. A true shame, Star Trek Online has such great potential as a PvP environment.
Nice with the free upgrades for specific ships, but WHY THE HELL should i ever be interested in lockbox ships again if these are vastly inferior to Tier 6 Ships?
I was wondering the same thing. It's nice how this game rewards folks like myself who spent a lot of money acquiring one of these ships. :mad:
Ok lemmie get this straight. Pay 20-25 bucks each for a C-Store ship. Then if you want the Fleet Version you have to get a Fleet Ship Module another 5 bucks. Then you "Upgrade" them and make us pay 5-10 bucks for it? I think not. I think gentlemen this is going to be a deal breaker for a lot of Vets. They will more than make their money off the new ships that are coming out. Great marketing! Make people pay again for something that they already paid for. Hmmm I can't wait to see what they do with the upgraded weapons that we all grinded our butts off for to get the Dilithium and Fleet Credits to purchase. Lemmie guess those are going to be obsolete when MK XIV comes around? Or are you going to make us pay to upgrade those also. Considering those are some of the best weapons in the game. Well not anymore. :mad::mad::mad::mad:
Forget the fact that I do ship build videos on YouTube for our Fleet and that I allready have a Odyssey, Vesta, Avenger, Fleet Defiant, Fleet Advanced Escort, Fleet Assault Cruiser, Fleet HEC. Just to name a few.....
For anyone wondering, I just went through my own ship rosters and marked down all the ships that I own and will now need to pay to upgrade. The end total, based on the prices given in the blog, is in the region of $130 - $260 of Zen (26x$5/$10).
That's what you get for being a loyal fan of the game.
Which is bad enough when you then consider all the ships I didn't mention because they're not going to be included - such as my Mirror Vo'Quv, which is one of my toons' main ship.
:eek: I take back a little of what I said....yikes....
Even if you are correct about the 'starship trait' being transferrable to T-5U after unlocking it on a T6, the T-5U is still missing out on an additional BOFF ability, and specialist seats. We don't know a whole lot about the new specialisation or what kinds of abilities it will have, but even if we were talking about existing BOFF classes and abilities the ability to slot an additional one on a given ship would make that ship more powerful than a ship without that capability.
The bridge officer ability really feels like a critical missing piece. Ship HP and an extra console are nice, but when you get right down to it that's the difference between a C-store Defiant and a fleet Defiant, and that's not a large gap. A bridge officer ability is the difference between a T4 Defiant and a T5 Defiant, and that is a large gap.
It feels like I'm being asked to pay $25 for a C-store or fleet ship and then fork over more money to upgrade it to a level that is still not competitive. I don't mind spending Zen to upgrade my Odyssey and my fleet Defiant, but if they're never going to be as powerful as the Tron ships, I feel like all the effort I put into optimizing these ships will have been wasted. It's all the sadder because the Odyssey is a brand new ship and the flagship of the Federation. To see it in particular obsoleted within one year is very disappointing.
Again: I really would like to see the T5U upgrade allow you the fifth ship level and extra boff ability, while the specialist boff seating remains the domain of the Tron ships.
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Quick ask as I'm not sure if this has been addressed yet.
If I were to purchase the Regent, Odyssey or any of the current C-Store ships after the expansion is released, would I have to pay again to have it upgraded to T5-U or would the upgrade be included?
My biggest concern is that extra Boff seat we won't get. While we don't know what the specialist skills will be, seems like a bit of a nerf for T5-U ships to be honest.
While not a nerf (it's not like they are dailing the stats back), I am somewhat concerned that this will be a drawback you will be able to feel...
But that IS their intention... Make you feel that you are missing out so that you dish out money for the T6 ships.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
Quick ask as I'm not sure if this has been addressed yet.
If I were to purchase the Regent, Odyssey or any of the current C-Store ships after the expansion is released, would I have to pay again to have it upgraded to T5-U or would the upgrade be included?
Likely you'd have to buy the ship and then buy the upgrade.
Note that although only T6 ships will come with a Ship Trait (not T5-U), ships are not the only way to acquire Ship Traits. Ship Traits are not restricted to the ship. Its something you unlock for you captain and you can use on any ship. There will be other ways to unlock Ship Traits. More details on this soon.
Quick ask as I'm not sure if this has been addressed yet.
If I were to purchase the Regent, Odyssey or any of the current C-Store ships after the expansion is released, would I have to pay again to have it upgraded to T5-U or would the upgrade be included?
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The above said, I DO think the most recently released ships like the Odyssey Class, Avenger Class, the Dyson Sphere Science ships across the board , the latest Patrol Escort Retrofit (don't recall the class name) the KDF Bortas and Mogh Class ships SHOULD be able to become FULL T6 ships with a ship trait, special Boff seat, etc. Reason: Honestly IN THE GAME LORE these are all the 'latest tech ships' from the various star nations, just released late 2409 - early 2410. I mean, COME ON - THERE'S NO WAY THE NEW 1701-F ODYSSEY CLASS 'ENTERPRISE'WOULD NOT BE A FULL T6 SHIP WITH ALL THAT ENTAILS.
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my englis may be poor, but in my reading "T6 capabilities" meant true T6, not nearly T6.
RnD and upgrade needs less RNG. Less lottery. Something has to change.
But at least you can sell your 2014
Huh?
At most, it will take me $30 to upgrade all of my ships... maybe as little as $15. Unless I buy more ships.
This is fair, IMO.
Also, why do I now have the feeling that the expectation is for people to shell out up to 50 quid/USD/EUR(as it is in Neverwinter for a gorram horse)?
Placing the above into numbers.
2000 Zen for the Gal-X
500 more for a fleet module to 'upgrade' to fleet.
And now you potentially want even more (500-1000, going by what I've seen & heard) for a halfway upgrade to hull & console capacity?!
This is a dumber idea than the UK taxation policy on fuel has been for the last 20 sodding years. (double taxation, essentially charging tax on a tax)
Suffice it to say I am Royally ticked off at the prospect of having to pay a third time for my defiant just to still have it still short of being up to par.
So much for "No T5 ship will be left behind." What a joke.
Anyhoo, I can understand the want/desire/need to differentiate, but if you intend to go ahead with charging for this, be very, very careful with what you break off and how you much you charge (current value proposition has negative value for consumer).
The current vagaries in relation to costs doesn't help at this point. Maybe you guys should have held back until you had hard values to say (including the cost of T6 ships, 'significantly lower' is not enough detail when you're basically telling someone "want to keep using that ship you love? Well, you're gonna need to pay up again.")
For the record: This is me being civil. An uncivil post from me on this would consist of only 2 words, and be in all caps, and bright red.
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I'm betting it's just a typo since the Hirogen ships are on there twice....Edit: & the Elachi
And special ships are not t6....
All current ships will be outdated, real/serious players will fly with t6 ships and will only queue with others of the same tier...
Just great, I love that my lobi/lockbox ships are getting a free semi upgrade, but it sucks that they aren't top of the line anymore.
"Bells and whistles" means added fluff that don't do anything
So unless the specialist boff turns your impulse trail into rainbows, the 5th level mastery level being useless, the starship trait being a visual mod,
Ya....that doesn't sound like it'll be fluff to me.
And what of future lobi/lock box ships? Are they going to default to t5.9?
Terrible implementation
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What a ****ty thing to do. And what are the T6 ships going to cost then? $40? $50? Then you have to buy a triple bundle just to have the consoles, so then it's what... $100 for one ship? I guess that would put STO on par with NWO.
Sad, I just dumped a ton of cash on this game and looks like in 2 months I'm going to have to pay a ransom to keep playing the way I want to play the nostalgia game, and be a gimp in the process. I think I'll pass and take my business elsewhere until I see otherwise.
For 1 single ship.
If I want to upgrade my Avenger, then my Ak'rif, then another ship, gotta pay for EVERY single ship.
Yeah sure that single ship is account wide, but what about DIFFERENT ships? Gotta pay each and every time.
I tend to use more than just one ship. 9 Toons each one has a specific ship I run for them:
Fed Tac: Avenger
Fed Eng: Regent
Fed Sci: Vesta
KDF Tac: Mogh
KDF Eng: Risan Corvette
KDF Sci: B'Rel Refit
Rom Tac: Ar'Kif tac carrier
Rom Eng: DSD
Rom Sci: Mogai refit
that's 9 ships bucko, 5-10 bucks a shot right there. Now I could cut it down to my 3 mains but that's still the Avenger, B'Rel Refit and DSD. still 15 bucks.
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That's what you get for being a loyal fan of the game.
Which is bad enough when you then consider all the ships I didn't mention because they're not going to be included - such as my Mirror Vo'Quv, which is one of my toons' main ship.
I don't think so. It specifically says 'Starship Traits' and that T5-U ships will not get these traits. T6 ships will have a special extra slot for the Starship Traits that T5-U ships will not get. T5-U ships will get the first 4 Starship Mastery Traits but not the fifth trait slot which will be a special 'Starship Trait'.
Think of it like how Science Vessels will have a secondary deflector slot. T6 ships get a special slot for Starship Traits at Starship Mastery Five that T5-U ships won't ever be able to get or slot.
And minus an extra boff slot.
Not really T6 at all.
From the blog, there are three main differences between T6 and T5U.
As you rightly point out, one of those the specialist boff, wont be universal even to T6 ships.
However, that leaves two differences.
The mastery trait and the boff slot.
I've noted a couple of people saying that the mastery trait will be slottable on T5U ships, once gained on a T6 ship.
Is this officially confirmed?
Because, I read it as more like active reputation powers, an entirely different tray.
You know I came *this* close to putting something in there about "Yeah yeah trade in blah blah" but I was like nah....:P
but that is kind of what the T5 update is describing - a trade in....
There are some of us that enjoy the mirror universe storyline. When I created my character at launch, I had the mirror universe in mind. When there was mirror pve, I was happy. When mirror ship were available to get, I got them. In fact members of my fleet all get a mirror ships when they reach a certain rank with us. It's bad enough that the pve got turned into a special event, but not including the mirror ships in the update is just bad. These ships are still on the exchange, some for a lot of energy credits. People are still using them, and yet these player are ignored.
To the dev team, please add this in the near future. There are fleet dedicated to storyline. Players who like the look of their mirror ship and still want to use them in the capacity that others will be playing at. Thank you for taking the time for reading this and considering what I've written here.
I stand corrected.
Wrong. They will also lack a bridge officer power. And that is huge.
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Players already have to play a staggering 4 fleet module (2000 zen) cost to get a fleet ship on every single character they wish to obtain the ship upon. Some ships have a C-store version that allows players to pay 2,500 zen to drop the price of that specific fleet ship down to 1 fleet module (500 zen). Thus, players are already paying 2,000 zen to obtain a single fleet starship and 3,000 zen (+500 each character) if they wish to obtain the C-store version for multi-character discounts + a fleet ship.
The Tier V upgrade system makes it possible for players to spend zen to upgrade something we have already spent money on once or twice to obtain. Thus players will need to buy a C-store ship, buy a fleet module to upgrade the ship to fleet level, and then buy the Tier VI upgrade to make the ship "competitive". Yet the upgrade doesn't even make the Tier V ship a true Tier VI ship because Cryptic wants to make the C-store Tier VI ships "unique". That in turn makes every upgraded Tier V ship obsolete in Space PvP.
In my opinion the Tier V upgrade system is a terribly broken. The podcast interviews stated that the primary goal of Delta Rising was to avoid nullifying all the time, effort, and money players have invested into their old Tier V fleet ships. Yet this is exactly what the upgrade system does as no Space PvP player will be able to compete in a Tier V upgraded ship against a Tier VI player with an extra bridge officer station, unique bridge officer abilities, and unique traits. Differences like that don't make much difference in PvE, but they make all the difference in PvP.
There will now essentially be a five tiered system in Space PvP; Mirror Lockbox/Dilithium/C-Store Starship, Upgraded C-Store Starship, Fleet Starship, Upgraded Fleet Starship/Lockbox Ship/Lobi Ship, and then Tier VI ship. That is truly a poor system to balance for because the ship with the most "upgrades" will come out on top in the end. Cryptic is further and further increasing the barrier to entry within PvP by continually raising the cost to purchase a viable starship. This alone is quite intensive before piling on the need to run through five reputation systems and purchase extremely rare duty officers that can cost players extremely high amounts of energy credits. It is as it Cryptic has no desire to see PvP within this game succeed. A true shame, Star Trek Online has such great potential as a PvP environment.
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I was wondering the same thing. It's nice how this game rewards folks like myself who spent a lot of money acquiring one of these ships. :mad:
Forget the fact that I do ship build videos on YouTube for our Fleet and that I allready have a Odyssey, Vesta, Avenger, Fleet Defiant, Fleet Advanced Escort, Fleet Assault Cruiser, Fleet HEC. Just to name a few.....
:eek: I take back a little of what I said....yikes....
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The bridge officer ability really feels like a critical missing piece. Ship HP and an extra console are nice, but when you get right down to it that's the difference between a C-store Defiant and a fleet Defiant, and that's not a large gap. A bridge officer ability is the difference between a T4 Defiant and a T5 Defiant, and that is a large gap.
It feels like I'm being asked to pay $25 for a C-store or fleet ship and then fork over more money to upgrade it to a level that is still not competitive. I don't mind spending Zen to upgrade my Odyssey and my fleet Defiant, but if they're never going to be as powerful as the Tron ships, I feel like all the effort I put into optimizing these ships will have been wasted. It's all the sadder because the Odyssey is a brand new ship and the flagship of the Federation. To see it in particular obsoleted within one year is very disappointing.
Again: I really would like to see the T5U upgrade allow you the fifth ship level and extra boff ability, while the specialist boff seating remains the domain of the Tron ships.
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If I were to purchase the Regent, Odyssey or any of the current C-Store ships after the expansion is released, would I have to pay again to have it upgraded to T5-U or would the upgrade be included?
While not a nerf (it's not like they are dailing the stats back), I am somewhat concerned that this will be a drawback you will be able to feel...
But that IS their intention... Make you feel that you are missing out so that you dish out money for the T6 ships.
Likely you'd have to buy the ship and then buy the upgrade.
Yes.....sadly.