Hirogen and krenim?

marcel314 · August 2014

I guess it's a bit early but...especially since more delta races still has to be announced but after watching the x2 trailer i got worried about those two.

The voyager gave the hirogen the holo tech which they could use for their hunting sports. Nearly 30 years have passed and the results could be pretty big by now. Maybe the hirogen changed their nomadic lifestyle into a stationary one. The trailer showed a 3 way battle between voth, species 8472 and borg. The hirogen could have taken advantage of this situation and became a new major power in the delta quadrant. Afterall they were able to build a giant communication array which can connect the alpha and delta quadrant and their fleet could be pretty big too.

Maybe some hirogen are against the holotech because the prey isn't real. Maybe that could have caused a civil war between the nomadic hirogen and the hirogen empire/republic and now everyone blame the voyager.

Or another possiblty: The hirogen race could be nearly destroyed by the hologramms. In the episode "Flesh and Blood" hologramms rebelled and killed many hirogen. We don't know how far the holotech could have been spread at that point but maybe it was far enough and the whole hirogen race became the "prey". And the few survivors could remember that the voy caused all of those and search revenge.

Krenim...

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=835111

There was a poll...well...we know nearly nothing about them actually. The timeline in which annorax destroyed whole races and planets is gone and when the voy reached their boarders a patrol ship told them to take an alternate route around their space because they had internal conflicts.
... okay i want to be honest here. I want a krenim lockbox with a playable weaponship because i like doomsday weapons. ( I got the scimitar and the species 8472 bioship^^ )

Don't punch me for my crappy english.

duncanidaho11 · August 2014

I wouldn't be too worried about the Hirogen. Sure, they've had Holo tech for 30 years but consider that they have thousands of years of social decay to try to resolve before they can start to rebuild a vibrant civilization that is capable of taking a major technological advancement and applying it practically to major social change (see. in history how "the next big thing" doesn't always take off until well after its introduction/invention, and thats generally under much better circumstances than what this alien species has to contend with.)

The Krenim on the other hand...yah in one alternate timeline they had a temporal super weapon. Though that's off the table they do have a pretty considerable potential to build a more conventional pain in the sides of the other powers (which would amount to some great lock box gear.) We'll just have to see how cryptic develops them.

markhawkman · August 2014

I'm sure the Hirogen will come up with dozens of extremely IMpractical uses for the tech they got from Voyager. :P

azurianstar · August 2014

Delta Hirogen, I doubt they settled for hologram hunting. They might've got bored of them saying they were not real pray. And given there is a massive war going on, it probably whet their appetites to hunt worthy prey.

marcel314 wrote: »

Afterall they were able to build a giant communication array which can connect the alpha and delta quadrant and their fleet could be pretty big too.

They didn't create the Network, they simply took it over.

markhawkman · August 2014

AFAIK, it was never established in canon whether the Hirogen built the relays or not. (if not, that raises an even bigger question...)

leviathan99 · August 2014

I feel fairly confident in saying that I'd expect the Krenim to have a small but memorable role in the expansion and that I think the poll was largely about deciding on a lockbox theme and maybe a special episode or two that tie into the lockbox. MAYBE a reputation.

I also think the episode left the possibility open of Krenim rediscovering temporal technology later and that this could be a way to beef up and enhance the gimmick gameplay of the existing Temporal Lockbox ships.

I would foresee at least one of the Krenim ships coming with a Temporal Core as a warp core alternative that could be fitted into any timeship as well as existing timeship gear working on Krenim ships. Maybe more chroniton beam and energy weapons.

The Krenim beam attack sort of resembles the Lobi chroniton beam.

azurianstar · August 2014

markhawkman wrote: »

AFAIK, it was never established in canon whether the Hirogen built the relays or not. (if not, that raises an even bigger question...)

True, I was going to say that. But Memory Alpha said it was "Claimed", and Jorg has more information than we do, so I figured it wasn't an ancient Hirogen network. Instead, it was found and used by the Hirogen thousands of years later.

I mean it would fit nicely with the Hirogen in why they become nomadic, perhaps due to a major disaster 100,000 years ago? We may never know.

markhawkman · August 2014

azurianstar wrote: »

True, I was going to say that. But Memory Alpha said it was "Claimed", and Jorg has more information than we do, so I figured it wasn't an ancient Hirogen network. Instead, it was found and used by the Hirogen thousands of years later.

I mean it would fit nicely with the Hirogen in why they become nomadic, perhaps due to a major disaster 100,000 years ago? We may never know.

I would categorize that as a territorial claim along the lines of "get off my lawn" rather than "I found it, it's mine".

captrott1 · August 2014

I doubt the Hirogen play too big a role. The Hirogen are nomadic and we have already seen a large number of them having found their way down to the Beta quadrant and allied with Tal'Shair or Sela's Empire. That said since the assets are in game, I guess it wouldn't be hard to throw them in some of the missions.

The Krenim were in season 4; since the area we are to start around is the Nekrit expanse which is season 3 of voyager, I wouldn't be surprised if the Krenim are encountered.

policestate76 · August 2014

Im pretty sure the Krenim are the "BIG" addition to the expansion and cryptic is just letting em to the end. Because if they dont include em somehow, for me X2 will be a total fail. They include stupid races as the kazon and they will not include the Krenim... nah, thats bad. Im just waiting cryptic to make a story in which the Krenim will raise again, this time even as a more dangerous enemy willing to take revenge against Starfleet lol.

EDIT: Nevermind, i just remembered the Krenim WON the poll... so, unfortunately we will NOT see the Krenim in the next expansion.. sigh.

nathrael · August 2014

Just as an aside, in the last scene of "Year of Hell", Annorax was with his wife on their world, and she asks him to spend some time with her. He says "I can always make the time" and goes off with her, leaving a computer/PADD or such with some calculations on it--Calculations that looked a lot like the incursion calculations on the temporal weapon ship.

So don't count out the possibility of m,aybe a "reduced version" showing up, the door is open shall we say. The Weapon Ship as written in the show would be seriously OP, not to mention being a nightmare to code, but would not rule out additional chroniton weapons showing up in Krenim hands.

Annorax: The Rassilon of the ST universe :cool:

reynoldsxd · August 2014

nathrael wrote: »

Just as an aside, in the last scene of "Year of Hell", Annorax was with his wife on their world, and she asks him to spend some time with her. He says "I can always make the time" and goes off with her, leaving a computer/PADD or such with some calculations on it--Calculations that looked a lot like the incursion calculations on the temporal weapon ship.

So don't count out the possibility of m,aybe a "reduced version" showing up, the door is open shall we say. The Weapon Ship as written in the show would be seriously OP, not to mention being a nightmare to code, but would not rule out additional chroniton weapons showing up in Krenim hands.

Annorax: The Rassilon of the ST universe :cool:

Well, technically what we saw there was the ground work for the Temporal Incursionship's weapons.

In fact there is NO reason to believe that he would not again create this weapon and i am exceedingly sure that starfleet has not adopted fleet wide temporal shielding, so we would not even know if he did or not, since we would be affected by the changes.

How do i know? Easy. The Episode where we saw Tasha Yar again. That was the result of time travel. We got caught up with that. Noone "knew" except the focal characters at the core of the problem.

So yeah, Annorax could be outside there, eliminating people from time and we would be none the wiser.

And personally, i do not want to go fight that ship, since i do not have a man on the inside....

Remember please that the ship kicked voyager and her fleet's teeth in and then some with its conventional weapons alone.

i so want that. ^^

lianthelia · August 2014

policestate76 wrote: »

Im pretty sure the Krenim are the "BIG" addition to the expansion and cryptic is just letting em to the end. Because if they dont include em somehow, for me X2 will be a total fail. They include stupid races as the kazon and they will not include the Krenim... nah, thats bad. Im just waiting cryptic to make a story in which the Krenim will raise again, this time even as a more dangerous enemy willing to take revenge against Starfleet lol.

EDIT: Nevermind, i just remembered the Krenim WON the poll... so, unfortunately we will NOT see the Krenim in the next expansion.. sigh.

Very well might be...they did have a sizable influence even before all the temporal *repurposing* they did...plus there is the fact they won that vote.

Maybe that is why these new T6 fed ships look the way they do? They're gonna be fighting a temporal war and they're modeling their ships more after the temporal vessels? Wild guess that probably isn't right but I thought I'd throw it out there.

Hirogen and krenim?

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