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nippeli222nippeli222 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
Thats the question I have been a player of this game a year now and I finally decided to consider buying this praised console but I decided first to ask u is it worth buying it and should I sell keys or open boxes in the chase for this console?
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  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    As long as you are not using it with the MACO Resilient Shield Array, then it can be.
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  • razar2380razar2380 Member Posts: 1,187 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    nippeli222 wrote: »
    Thats the question I have been a player of this game a year now and I finally decided to consider buying this praised console but I decided first to ask u is it worth buying it and should I sell keys or open boxes in the chase for this console?

    The Leech is a useful console, though a lot of them are. As to whether it is worth the price, to me it depends on if you are Fed/Fed aligned, or you are KDF/KDF aligned.

    If you are on the KDF side, and you are going to be making a few characters on that side, then yes, it is worth getting the Vandal Destroyer it comes on. That ship itself is awesome at low levels, and buying it will unlock it for all characters on the KDF side.

    If you are Federation side, I would not recommend it. The console is not worth more than 1 million EC in my opinion. The reason is because it is only unlocked for one character, and is character bound. Also, unless you do a build that is specifically build around it, then it is only as useful as any other good console.

    Power drain builds are where it does its best, and can help keep your power levels up. However, if you "need" the leech to make a build useful, then it might not be the best idea. Any good build in the game can lose any one console, and still be able to hold its own in any non-PVP content. PVP is different, due to the fact that certain builds that are awesome in non-PVP will fail a lot of times in PVP.

    So, it all depends on what faction you are playing, and whether or not your build relies on that one console to work in non-PVP content. Since I don't do any builds built around a single console (so that if any enemies later come out with a counter to it), and I don't do PVP, I only got the one for the KDF, because I have a lot of KDF toons now.

    These are just my personal thoughts on the matter, after my experience with it, and without it.
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  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Probably THE most worthwhile console in the game. It makes you stronger and your enemies weaker, at the same time, with no cooldown.

    Might not be worth it if you don't have any points in Flow Capacitors, are running the MACO set, or using a non-energy weapon build though.
  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Yes, it is a boon to all ships just as th valdore is for romulans and soon fed/kdf
    Chive on and prosper, eh?

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  • darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    The Buff stacks 8 times, with max Flow Caps you're going to get around 20 power to all subsystems with it.

    For Weapon Power alone that's +40% damage. It's the most powerful single console in the game.
  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Yes, it's worth it and yes you will have to chase after it in some way. The above points are valid to consider. At the same time, look at the build advice in this forum. If you find any builds without it, then I seriously recommend asking questions about the build because THAT is the build you want to examine.

    Frankly, it's turned into a "must have" because it's so good. Is it needed? No. But having one to use a console slot is simply too good NOT to use ... if you have one.

    Bottom line: go get one.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Its extremely useful on beam cruisers and sci drainers, and somewhat helpful on cannon escorts
  • cbrjwrrcbrjwrr Member Posts: 2,782 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    There is a reason it costs so much Fed-side, and why it is one of the most commonly recommended Consoles going.


    Unless you are using Maco Shield, then avoid.
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  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    If a fed cries in the forest with no one around, do the devs give it all other goodies the other factions had?


    Simple answer: Yes. Feds get all. KDF get... well... "dumped on."
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  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    ... which just means the Feds will get it that much faster.

    Honestly, with as much BS the NPCs throw at your shields and make 12000 facing shields disappear in 1 hit, I think more things like the Valdore need to be common -- for PvE ONLY.
  • ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited August 2014
    The plasmotic leech isn't a must-have, but a really great nice-to-have.

    I don't use it on my klinks (although I have the ship), and I have no issues with dps or overall capability.

    On my feds, it's a really nice finish for keeping power levels over 100 in each category.
  • tostrekkie7tostrekkie7 Member Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    The plasmotic leech isn't a must-have, but a really great nice-to-have.

    I've got to disagree with this comment.

    The Plasmotic Leech IS a MUST-HAVE console - PERIOD.

    This is the Item Information:

    The Plasmonic Leech enhances all of your energy weapons. Any energy weapon fired will now also drain the target of power and transfer that power back to you. Energy is stolen from all four subsystems.

    So in summary:

    1. Shoot enemy, damage enemy.
    2. Damaging enemy ALSO drains power from the enemy's 4 subsystems.
    3. Drained power is transferred to ALL 4 of YOUR subsystems.

    Win, win, win. Nuf said.
  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited August 2014
    I've got to disagree with this comment.

    The Plasmotic Leech IS a MUST-HAVE console - PERIOD.

    This is the Item Information:

    The Plasmonic Leech enhances all of your energy weapons. Any energy weapon fired will now also drain the target of power and transfer that power back to you. Energy is stolen from all four subsystems.

    So in summary:

    1. Shoot enemy, damage enemy.
    2. Damaging enemy ALSO drains power from the enemy's 4 subsystems.
    3. Drained power is transferred to ALL 4 of YOUR subsystems.

    Win, win, win. Nuf said.

    Disclaimer:

    Because of system design limitation, the boost to your own power systems will almost certainly be greater than the power you're draining from your target. The actual amount of power drained from the target is on average 35%-50% lower because of Power Insulator resistance. System Analysis can boost the amount of power drained up to 30%.

    This message brought to you by,
    Dracula, ultimate power drainer
  • furtiveness2011furtiveness2011 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    As mentioned in a few posts above, You'll want to be using it with [AMP] Warp cores. This, above all else is why you NEED the Plasmonic Leech console. You'll want to get the weapon damage bonuses from all four subsystems above 75 for max DPS. Ex, W-125 S-62 E-63 A-62. 9 in flowcaps steals +16 power to subsystems, aka pushing you to 75 or over in all systems!
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  • tk79tk79 Member Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    My DPS went from 10K to 14K after I slotted the console alone.

    Worth it? Hell yes.
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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited August 2014
    As mentioned in a few posts above, You'll want to be using it with [AMP] Warp cores. This, above all else is why you NEED the Plasmonic Leech console.

    Second disclaimer from Dracula:
    Chaining Energy Siphon 2 or 3 on a high flow caps + High Aux build yields the same results as far as the AMP core goes. So the "you NEED the console" statement is false.
  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Definitely not needed, but very nice to have. If you need the leech to do space content...i don't think it's gonna help.

    If you want to excel in space content, then ya. It's needed. All about perspective
    Chive on and prosper, eh?

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  • welcome2earfwelcome2earf Member Posts: 1,746 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    If a fed cries in the forest with no one around, do the devs give it all other goodies the other factions had?


    Simple answer: Yes. Feds get all. KDF get... well... "dumped on."

    Actually, in all fairness I don't think it's the "Feds Complaining"...I just think in typical copypasta fashion, it's easier to reuse an existing asset instead of making a new one to release cross-faction.
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    nippeli222 wrote: »
    Thats the question I have been a player of this game a year now and I finally decided to consider buying this praised console but I decided first to ask u is it worth buying it and should I sell keys or open boxes in the chase for this console?

    If you want one, then I recommend selling keys because, I believe you only have a 0.5% (1 in 200) chance to get one from a Tal'Shiar lockbox.

    In the past 10 days I have seen them selling around 64 million EC and about 48 million EC a few days ago. Not sure what the current price is. It has been consistently selling for around 30 million EC before season 9.5.

    Key prices have dropped a little bit on the Exchange. As of yesterday it's 2.6 million per key vs. a consistent 2.8 million prior to season 9.5. Assuming the lowest price for a Plasmonic Leech has gone back up to 64 million EC you will need to sell 25 master keys @ 2.6 million to be able to buy a Plasmonic Leech. Hopefully for you the price for the Plasmonic Leech has dropped below 48 million EC now.

    Still, even at a cost of 25 master keys, I would rather sell them on the Exchange rather than use them to open Tal'Shiar lockboxes hoping to get a Plasmonic Leech or a valuable lockbox ship.
  • tostrekkie7tostrekkie7 Member Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    lucho80 wrote: »
    Disclaimer:

    Because of system design limitation, the boost to your own power systems will almost certainly be greater than the power you're draining from your target. The actual amount of power drained from the target is on average 35%-50% lower because of Power Insulator resistance. System Analysis can boost the amount of power drained up to 30%.

    This message brought to you by,
    Dracula, ultimate power drainer

    Kind of ironic (or completely logical) Dracula is a Science Officer.

    Counter disclaimer:

    System Analysis is not a practical alternative to the Plasmonic Leech. System Analysis is an active toggle ability only available on Federation Science Vessels, Klingon Support Vessels, the Odyssey Science Cruiser and the Bortasqu' Command Cruiser. If you don't have one of these ships, you don't have any power drain ability.

    lucho80 wrote: »
    Second disclaimer from Dracula:
    Chaining Energy Siphon 2 or 3 on a high flow caps + High Aux build yields the same results as far as the AMP core goes. So the "you NEED the console" statement is false.

    Energy Siphon is not a practical alternative to the Plasmonic Leech either. ES2 is a Lt Comm & ES3 is a Commander skill. Not available to a large number of ships.

    Sorry Count.

    I still stand by my original assessment, the Plasmonic Leech is a must have console. Any energy weapon fired that can damage, drain the target of power, and transfer that power back to you is always a winning combination.
  • ghyudtghyudt Member Posts: 1,112 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I would seriously recommend NOT going after it. While it may be a good console, the fact that everyone uses it should tell you that it may be too good, and may be getting changed eventually. If you're gonna spend all the zen opening boxes, I would suggest getting a ship with a different console that you like. There are many to choose from, and they all have useful abities in certain situations. If all you're really after is a drain setup, I would instead seek out the aceton assimilator and the breen set.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Kind of ironic (or completely logical) Dracula is a Science Officer.

    Counter disclaimer:

    System Analysis is not a practical alternative to the Plasmonic Leech. System Analysis is an active toggle ability only available on Federation Science Vessels, Klingon Support Vessels, the Odyssey Science Cruiser and the Bortasqu' Command Cruiser. If you don't have one of these ships, you don't have any power drain ability.




    Energy Siphon is not a practical alternative to the Plasmonic Leech either. ES2 is a Lt Comm & ES3 is a Commander skill. Not available to a large number of ships.

    Sorry Count.

    I still stand by my original assessment, the Plasmonic Leech is a must have console. Any energy weapon fired that can damage, drain the target of power, and transfer that power back to you is always a winning combination
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    System analysis, I thought it was sensor analysis, oh well which ever.

    The point of the matter is you forgot about the DSD on the Romulan side, or even some lockbox vessels.

    Also a full spec FC build, would net more energy from ES1-3 than the leech could ever provide, but the leech could provide its energy, for longer periods of time, provided the target remains alive long enough.

    Also consider in pvp, both the leech, and ES would suffer from your enemies ability to resist drain, and than it also comes down to a battle of you draining you target, and them draining you back at the same time with the leech console, a virtual power drain tug of war.

    So really it isn't a must have necessity, especially if you haven't invested into FC.

    I for stand by what Lucho is recommending, because like him I to test and run drain builds, maybe not as good as his, but I still see his point!
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  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    You are over-analysing it. It's not a battle of draining and counter draining.

    You get more than the target loses. Simple as that. Even with 2 people draining each other they both will get more than they had without it. It's free power. That free power keeps coming as long as you keep hitting. That in turn can feed your AMP cores and your weapons damage boost based on power settings.

    It's not a matter of saying "it's good IF you spec in Flow Caps" -- it's a matter of saying "Get it AND THEN spec in flow caps." It's just too valuable to pass up. It's more than worth a re-spec.


    To the same end, you wouldn't build a torp-only ship and not spec in torp proficiency, would you? It's basic stuff.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    You are over-analysing it. It's not a battle of draining and counter draining.

    You get more than the target loses. Simple as that. Even with 2 people draining each other they both will get more than they had without it. It's free power. That free power keeps coming as long as you keep hitting. That in turn can feed your AMP cores and your weapons damage boost based on power settings.

    It's not a matter of saying "it's good IF you spec in Flow Caps" -- it's a matter of saying "Get it AND THEN spec in flow caps." It's just too valuable to pass up. It's more than worth a re-spec.


    To the same end, you wouldn't build a torp-only ship and not spec in torp proficiency, would you? It's basic stuff.

    Well promoting the idea, that is a true must have, can come off just wrong.

    Not all player's, are aware they need invest into FC, to get the most out of this console.

    Because without doing so, the console is pretty timid.
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  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying "slash and burn all you have to get it" -- I mean to say you live within your means, and if you can at all justify the cost, GET IT. It's a must-have in regards to people that can get it. If you have the option, there's no question. Get it. if not, you can play without it. Many do. It simply makes things better, like many consoles I can't afford yet.

    My KDF use it always. Only one of my feds has bought it off the exchange. I don't know if I want to spend the ECs on another fed, but it is a constant struggle.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying "slash and burn all you have to get it" -- I mean to say you live within your means, and if you can at all justify the cost, GET IT. It's a must-have in regards to people that can get it. If you have the option, there's no question. Get it. if not, you can play without it. Many do. It simply makes things better, like many consoles I can't afford yet.

    My KDF use it always. Only one of my feds has bought it off the exchange. I don't know if I want to spend the ECs on another fed, but it is a constant struggle.

    For what those things are going for now on the exchange, I would much rather open the damn boxes myself, with the hopes of achieving one.

    This way even if I don't get it, I still get something for my money!

    Good thing I bought mine, well before they ever reached the 10mill mark.
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  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    nippeli222 wrote: »
    Thats the question I have been a player of this game a year now and I finally decided to consider buying this praised console but I decided first to ask u is it worth buying it and should I sell keys or open boxes in the chase for this console?

    I'd say if you're a Rom, it's a must.
    Get it.
    Other than Rom, it can be passed over until you have the spare EC.

    You can grind 3 toons daily for 1 key (dil-zen conversion) so doing either would be fine.
    Personally, I would sell the keys because opening boxes specifically for the console is too much of a risk.
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  • corelogikcorelogik Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    nippeli222 wrote: »
    Thats the question I have been a player of this game a year now and I finally decided to consider buying this praised console but I decided first to ask u is it worth buying it and should I sell keys or open boxes in the chase for this console?

    Grind Dil, Buy Keys, Sell Keys, buy console. It's that good.
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