Same argument used when they changed the Emergency Power to X abilities. Guess what? People adapted.
"ship balance in pvp, the only place balance maters"
Matters to who? PVPers. Balance in PVP is an oxymoron. PVP is never balanced, as someone will always have the upper hand at one point or another. 1vs1 depends entirely on the class facing another class, or the ships specs, or gear used. In any case, with a level cap increase, any balance (or lack thereof) will be null and void, since there will be a new cap to contend with, new ships to fight, new gear to grind etc.
people didn't adapt to EPt skill changes, they shouted it down! the changes came without the downsides they proposed. what a hilarious fail at point making
if you actually pvp'ed, you would probably be shocked at how well so many different types of ships and build have about the same level of effectiveness. its balanced for team play 5v5 too, 1v1 balance is irrelevant. if you think 10 more levels, 2 more marks better gear, and maybe a few more station powers are going to make THAT big of a difference, you need to get some perspective. it wont be enough account for the potential lose of AtB.
They should've focused on the Alpha, Beta, and Gamma quadrants first. They chose not to. Instead, they chose to go directly to the Delta Quadrant, because they thought it would improve the game. It didn't it. Cryptic made a BAD call on this one.
Your opinion, doesn't make it fact. I'm fine with the Delta Quadrant getting the focus.
Nobody is talking about wanting a static game, just not wanting people trivializing content by these people by having to up the ante to the point new and average players have to deal with it.
Well if you want to take a difference of opinion as trolling fine by me, but a power creep is a pretty natural part of an MMO because its simply an evolutionary process. They want people to buy new stuff, so that new stuff has to be better than what they have already (and may be perfectly satisfied with.) Its simply an arms race among content.
And from those I've pulled into STO recently that new content hasn't made the game any more difficult to get into, and I'd say that some of the more "power creep" heavy items like rep and fleet gear has made the game more accessible by taking the top level equipment AWAY from the dusty confines of the highest levels of the exchange. Its a TRIBBLE argument that you can't even speak from and I would appreciate if we could get through the prospect of "more stuff" from an expansion without defaulting to a broken position about how a changing state of play is somehow bad for this type of game (it's how it ****ing works.)
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They should've focused on the Alpha, Beta, and Gamma quadrants first. They chose not to. Instead, they chose to go directly to the Delta Quadrant, because they thought it would improve the game. It didn't it. Cryptic made a BAD call on this one.
Thats your opinion, I respectfully disagree and am eager to explore new content in a more distant setting than the alpha quadrant Backyard
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Your opinion, doesn't make it fact. I'm fine with the Delta Quadrant getting the focus.
Nope, you're wrong, man. We don't even have a complete Sol system. Or canon planets that are worth visiting. They should have started here in the alpha quadrant and expanded from there.
My Old Blog about things that could and should have been added when I wrote it. Not sure what I want to do with it now. I'll just keep it available now that most of it is outdated.
Is there any word on Veteran/Lifesub rewards involving this? Sorry if this has already been answered, i haven't been watching or listening to a lot of this.
Your waste all of our works and effort the last years. Toons, Fleets, Reps....
New Ship Tier, new Gear Levels, new Level Cap 60. This is like "Oh yeah, please repeat your 2 to 3 year Grind to equip all your toons again!" Pah! Go play your game yourself.
I am going to stop playing this game with Season 10! I WON'T START WITH EQUIP-GRINDING FOR ALL MY TOONS ALL OVER AGAIN!
Nope, you're wrong, man. We don't even have a complete Sol system. Or canon planets that are worth visiting. They should have started here in the alpha quadrant and expanded from there.
Nope, you're wrong, man. We don't even have a complete Sol system. Or canon planets that are worth visiting. They should have started here in the alpha quadrant and expanded from there.
Yeah this is true its just a bunch of partial built iconic locations and then a large amount where there is nothing to actually go too lol.
All I can say this expansion 2 better be something of what they state and not just a bunch of inflated reputation and 30 min FE to hit the new max level lol.
Nope, you're wrong, man. We don't even have a complete Sol system. Or canon planets that are worth visiting. They should have started here in the alpha quadrant and expanded from there.
Because there would be almost Nothing of gameplay value in a full Sol system , and it would be a massive investment to add locations nobody is going to use
Sure more alpha quad locations would be nice, but if the story doesn't go there, then neither does the game because they don;t want to add pointless social zones, as has been pointed out many times by devs when suggestions come up about alpha locations before
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Is there any word on Veteran/Lifesub rewards involving this? Sorry if this has already been answered, i haven't been watching or listening to a lot of this.
Didn't get one for Dyson. And I think vets got playable Remans and a Romulan vet ship with LoR. But keep in mind the new species this time might not be playable. If it is it will more than likely require purchase. So no vet reward on the horizon as of yet.
My Old Blog about things that could and should have been added when I wrote it. Not sure what I want to do with it now. I'll just keep it available now that most of it is outdated.
The fact remains that Until you actually know what the stats are on a T6 vessel, You have no basis for an actual evidence based argument, its conjecture
Maybe your right. I'll try to keep an open mind. But given past experience and I've been in this game since a few months after it went live. I've seen cryptic TRIBBLE every member of the player base in some way or form every opportunity they get. And yet they expect us to be happy and smile about it. I'm not one for PvP outside of my own fleet so dont have any real interest in it. But how many times have they promised to do something with the PvP content in the game? and how many times have they delivered on those promises?
As for the quality of the new ships I guess your right. We probably wont have anything to worry about if the Dyson science ships are anything to go by.
Your waste all of our works and effort the last years. Toons, Fleets, Reps....
New Ship Tier, new Gear Levels, new Level Cap 60. This is like "Oh yeah, please repeat your 2 to 3 year Grind to equip all your toons again!" Pah! Go play your game yourself.
I am going to stop playing this game with Season 10! I WON'T START WITH EQUIP-GRINDING FOR ALL MY TOONS ALL OVER AGAIN!
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Bye bye, I'm sure the development team will miss you dearly
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Maybe your right. I'll try to keep an open mind. But given past experience and I've been in this game since a few months after it went live. I've seen cryptic TRIBBLE every member of the player base in some way or form every opportunity they get. And yet they expect us to be happy and smile about it. I'm not one for PvP outside of my own fleet so dont have any real interest in it. But how many times have they promised to do something with the PvP content in the game? and how many times have they delivered on those promises?
As for the quality of the new ships I guess your right. We probably wont have anything to worry about if the Dyson science ships are anything to go by.
Well many of those "promises" are not actual promises, more like, good intentions that never played out.
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Didn't get one for Dyson. And I think vets got playable Remans and a Romulan vet ship with LoR. But keep in mind the new species this time might not be playable. If it is it will more than likely require purchase. So no vet reward on the horizon as of yet.
I know I got a playable Reman straight off the bat when LoR went live. Not sure about anything else. But to be honest I've not looked to closely at the rewards given to vets.
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Not happy about this Expansion at all. Ditto.
we're starting the Delta Quadrant, when we still don't have full access to the Alpha, Beta, and Gamma Quadrants yet. There's whole sections of the Alpha and Beta quadrants that are still inaccessible. I'm working on blogs about exploration, and I mentioned the Gamma Quadrant first. So yeah, I agree with this one.
And this whole T6 thing....not happy at all about that either. I worked my butt off to get the ships that I have on my lvl 50s. And some of them aren't even fleet versions, because there aren't any fleet versions for some of them! You forgot to mention how really not many people actually have a T5 fleet, let alone a T5 hangar bay. So even if they did all have fleet versions, the majority of us would be SOL regardless.
And before adding "new" Craptastic ships into the mix, how about fixing ALL THE CANON SHIPS IN THE GAME Sure they could....but they'd charge you for the new versions. I've pointed this out before in this post, but look at the Galaxy upgrade. There's no way to trade in the old one and you have to buy the new shiny one. Do you really want them to TRIBBLE us like that with EVERY old ship?
Gunmetal Grey. This takes me back to the army. We had Navy guys on base and we painted their anchor pink with a neon purple stripe in it. Took all night to get it as obnoxious as possible. When they found out, my buddies and I did extra duty -- repainting it Gunmetal Grey. Good times.
I mean, really, is it so hard to give players what they want? Yes it it. Because they don't care what we think. Only what some people are willing to purchase. Hell, they have yet to go on the record asking what we would actually be willing to spend money on if they were to offer it. They'd rather just shoot in the dark and focus on Voyager exclusive content...
Otherwise, Delta Rising is the Death Knoll for Star Trek Online (which may or may not be a good thing). Probably not true. But it will be another big step n that direction. The Dyson thing was a BAD idea. Beautifully designed environments with an insanely flawed and grindy premise. I'm betting the expansion will be similar.
I'm glad someone agrees with me, even if not entirely. I wouldn't want players to be screwed over, like we were with the Galaxy Upgrade. That was a douchebag move on Cryptic's part. I mean, we all paid for our copies of STO, at least those of us that have been with the game since before launch. And we paid for our Subscriptions, again at least those of us that have been there since the beginning. It'd be NICE if Cryptic would actually take player opinions to heart. It'd be nice if they'd ask what we'd like to see in game. In fact, they did that for awhile at first. That's how we got Caitians and the Ambassador and Nebula classes ingame, because players asked for it, and we got it.
In the end, it's the players that matter most. Without players, there is no MMO. And it's a damn shame that Cryptic seems content to TRIBBLE on us and our money.
I am eager to raise my captain's level to 60; however, I do not want my T5 ships to become obsolete. Dumb move. I will not even consider returning.
"Star Trek: Online" is such a waste of money. Even though you spend money on high-end ships and gear, the next expansion is proof that Cryptic will make them obsolete.
I can no longer trust Cryptic.
Once you buy the T6 ships, what is to stop them from making those obsolete?
I just cannot trust this company.
Someone needs to do some explaining. We need more information.
Your waste all of our works and effort the last years. Toons, Fleets, Reps....
New Ship Tier, new Gear Levels, new Level Cap 60. This is like "Oh yeah, please repeat your 2 to 3 year Grind to equip all your toons again!" Pah! Go play your game yourself.
I am going to stop playing this game with Season 10! I WON'T START WITH EQUIP-GRINDING FOR ALL MY TOONS ALL OVER AGAIN!
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I am sure al riviera will cry man tears reading that people are leaving STO in response to his designs.
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I am eager to raise my captain's level to 60; however, I do not want my T5 ships to become obsolete. Dumb move. I will not even consider returning.
"Star Trek: Online" is such a waste of money. Even though you spend money on high end ships and gear, the next expansion is proof that Cryptic will make them obsolete.
I can no longer trust Cryptic.
Once you buy the T6 ships, what is to stop them from making those obsolete?
I just cannot trust this company.
In a nut shell Nothing. And if this pans out for them, which it will its inevitable they'll do it again and again. Hell just look at WoW they've got yet another level cap increase coming in a few months from what I've heard.
I'm glad someone agrees with me, even if not entirely. I wouldn't want players to be screwed over, like we were with the Galaxy Upgrade. That was a douchebag move on Cryptic's part. I mean, we all paid for our copies of STO, at least those of us that have been with the game since before launch. And we paid for our Subscriptions, again at least those of us that have been there since the beginning. It'd be NICE if Cryptic would actually take player opinions to heart. It'd be nice if they'd ask what we'd like to see in game. In fact, they did that for awhile at first. That's how we got Caitians and the Ambassador and Nebula classes ingame, because players asked for it, and we got it.
In the end, it's the players that matter most. Without players, there is no MMO. And it's a damn shame that Cryptic seems content to TRIBBLE on us and our money.
Players want everything under the Sun, its impossible to please this community, somebody wants the Delta Quad, well look right here in this thread and theres somebody whos angry they went to Delta before going elsewhere.
Every damn move they make means sidelining something else, you can't have everything at the same time and somebodies favorite thing is going to end up at the bottom of the pile
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In a nut shell Nothing. And if this pans out for them, which it will its inevitable they'll do it again and again. Hell just look at WoW they've got yet another level cap increase coming in a few months from what I've heard.
I am excited about the level cap increase.
I just don't want my ships to become obsolete.
I may have spent too much time and money on this game.
Before I make any definitive decisions, I want to get more information from Cryptic.
Your waste all of our works and effort the last years. Toons, Fleets, Reps....
New Ship Tier, new Gear Levels, new Level Cap 60. This is like "Oh yeah, please repeat your 2 to 3 year Grind to equip all your toons again!" Pah! Go play your game yourself.
I am going to stop playing this game with Season 10! I WON'T START WITH EQUIP-GRINDING FOR ALL MY TOONS ALL OVER AGAIN!
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First MMO, eh? I say that because this has been the model used for every major MMO expansion since the early days of Ultima Online and Ever Quest. World of W arcraft usually had gear from the first quest line of a new expansion (aka new 'green') that BLEW AWAY stats on gear some players spent two years raiding for.
Again, your position is valid; but if that's really how you feel, I'd go back to single player games and steer clear of MMOs.
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people didn't adapt to EPt skill changes, they shouted it down! the changes came without the downsides they proposed. what a hilarious fail at point making
if you actually pvp'ed, you would probably be shocked at how well so many different types of ships and build have about the same level of effectiveness. its balanced for team play 5v5 too, 1v1 balance is irrelevant. if you think 10 more levels, 2 more marks better gear, and maybe a few more station powers are going to make THAT big of a difference, you need to get some perspective. it wont be enough account for the potential lose of AtB.
Well if you want to take a difference of opinion as trolling fine by me, but a power creep is a pretty natural part of an MMO because its simply an evolutionary process. They want people to buy new stuff, so that new stuff has to be better than what they have already (and may be perfectly satisfied with.) Its simply an arms race among content.
And from those I've pulled into STO recently that new content hasn't made the game any more difficult to get into, and I'd say that some of the more "power creep" heavy items like rep and fleet gear has made the game more accessible by taking the top level equipment AWAY from the dusty confines of the highest levels of the exchange. Its a TRIBBLE argument that you can't even speak from and I would appreciate if we could get through the prospect of "more stuff" from an expansion without defaulting to a broken position about how a changing state of play is somehow bad for this type of game (it's how it ****ing works.)
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Thats your opinion, I respectfully disagree and am eager to explore new content in a more distant setting than the alpha quadrant Backyard
Ah. Nevermind then.
Anyways, I went ahead and made a new thread out of my posts here. So it's covered.
Nope, you're wrong, man. We don't even have a complete Sol system. Or canon planets that are worth visiting. They should have started here in the alpha quadrant and expanded from there.
Your waste all of our works and effort the last years. Toons, Fleets, Reps....
New Ship Tier, new Gear Levels, new Level Cap 60. This is like "Oh yeah, please repeat your 2 to 3 year Grind to equip all your toons again!" Pah! Go play your game yourself.
I am going to stop playing this game with Season 10! I WON'T START WITH EQUIP-GRINDING FOR ALL MY TOONS ALL OVER AGAIN!
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Yeah this is true its just a bunch of partial built iconic locations and then a large amount where there is nothing to actually go too lol.
All I can say this expansion 2 better be something of what they state and not just a bunch of inflated reputation and 30 min FE to hit the new max level lol.
Because there would be almost Nothing of gameplay value in a full Sol system , and it would be a massive investment to add locations nobody is going to use
Sure more alpha quad locations would be nice, but if the story doesn't go there, then neither does the game because they don;t want to add pointless social zones, as has been pointed out many times by devs when suggestions come up about alpha locations before
Didn't get one for Dyson. And I think vets got playable Remans and a Romulan vet ship with LoR. But keep in mind the new species this time might not be playable. If it is it will more than likely require purchase. So no vet reward on the horizon as of yet.
Maybe your right. I'll try to keep an open mind. But given past experience and I've been in this game since a few months after it went live. I've seen cryptic TRIBBLE every member of the player base in some way or form every opportunity they get. And yet they expect us to be happy and smile about it. I'm not one for PvP outside of my own fleet so dont have any real interest in it. But how many times have they promised to do something with the PvP content in the game? and how many times have they delivered on those promises?
As for the quality of the new ships I guess your right. We probably wont have anything to worry about if the Dyson science ships are anything to go by.
Bye bye, I'm sure the development team will miss you dearly
Well many of those "promises" are not actual promises, more like, good intentions that never played out.
I know I got a playable Reman straight off the bat when LoR went live. Not sure about anything else. But to be honest I've not looked to closely at the rewards given to vets.
I'm glad someone agrees with me, even if not entirely. I wouldn't want players to be screwed over, like we were with the Galaxy Upgrade. That was a douchebag move on Cryptic's part. I mean, we all paid for our copies of STO, at least those of us that have been with the game since before launch. And we paid for our Subscriptions, again at least those of us that have been there since the beginning. It'd be NICE if Cryptic would actually take player opinions to heart. It'd be nice if they'd ask what we'd like to see in game. In fact, they did that for awhile at first. That's how we got Caitians and the Ambassador and Nebula classes ingame, because players asked for it, and we got it.
In the end, it's the players that matter most. Without players, there is no MMO. And it's a damn shame that Cryptic seems content to TRIBBLE on us and our money.
"Star Trek: Online" is such a waste of money. Even though you spend money on high-end ships and gear, the next expansion is proof that Cryptic will make them obsolete.
I can no longer trust Cryptic.
Once you buy the T6 ships, what is to stop them from making those obsolete?
I just cannot trust this company.
Someone needs to do some explaining. We need more information.
Anyone who quits over vague, unclear, unspecified initial information should uninstall the game and go play Solitaire.
I am sure al riviera will cry man tears reading that people are leaving STO in response to his designs.
DC Universe is nominally free to pay, but top tier content's paywalled.
In a nut shell Nothing. And if this pans out for them, which it will its inevitable they'll do it again and again. Hell just look at WoW they've got yet another level cap increase coming in a few months from what I've heard.
Players want everything under the Sun, its impossible to please this community, somebody wants the Delta Quad, well look right here in this thread and theres somebody whos angry they went to Delta before going elsewhere.
Every damn move they make means sidelining something else, you can't have everything at the same time and somebodies favorite thing is going to end up at the bottom of the pile
I just don't want my ships to become obsolete.
I may have spent too much time and money on this game.
Before I make any definitive decisions, I want to get more information from Cryptic.
You heard them sort of hint at "a support class" - could be specialized team buffers or whatever in addition to your regular career?
So t6 could have largely the same number of sci, eng, tac consoles but additional ones just for new "sub" abilities.
Then crafting consoles and gear etc will still be the top gear so you don't invalidate fleet, reputation and lockboxes worth years and big $$$
First thing I did was make sure a fleet mail is sent out first thing that tells people to stop buying completely
First MMO, eh? I say that because this has been the model used for every major MMO expansion since the early days of Ultima Online and Ever Quest. World of W arcraft usually had gear from the first quest line of a new expansion (aka new 'green') that BLEW AWAY stats on gear some players spent two years raiding for.
Again, your position is valid; but if that's really how you feel, I'd go back to single player games and steer clear of MMOs.
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Your views pretty much mirror my own. But this could easily be the final nail in the coffin for me regarding STO
Than if things still look bad and stuff on tribble sucks, we can all unleash that pent up rage.
But its pointless to gnash teeth at a few vague hints.