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How much INCOME does a PVP fleet Generate For STO? (pls take survey)
dreadnoughtking
Member Posts: 13 Arc User
Greeting to ALL STO pvpers. I want to try to keep this short and sweet. I have been speaking with some Devs from Cryptic about the state of PvP in Sto. The bottom line is this, they feel that PVERS spend more money on STO then PVPERS. As Pvpers we Know that is simply NOT true. IF Cryptic can see the AVG amount of money that EACH pvper spends on AVG per year they can see that a PVPer spends far more USD then the AVG PVEer.
The Case is this, Pvpers are a very small minority....thus we dont generate as much $$$ for STO then most of the PVErs, simply because there are more PVEers then PVPers. BUT if cryptic were to INVEST into pvp, like balancing out Powers, adding new skills, adding new maps, Reducing Spam, Creating a rep system for pvp and so forth, they will see a massive Inport of CASH into the game.
The bottom line is this, DEVS want money, PVP makes alot of money and the DEVS cant change what they dont know. They need to see How much cash on AVG a pvper that has been here since Beta has spent on PVP.
OR how much a new pvper has spent since pvping in sto. I can almost bet for certain that PVPers drop way more cash then PVErs, thus showing cryptic that there is MUCH stock in the PVP INVESTMENT idea.
BELOW (pls be honest now) PVPERS ONLY....pls State the following.
1. How long you have been Pvping.
2. How much cash have you spent for the sake of pvp, when considering new ships, gear, keys, respecs and so forth.
3. what fleet are you from.
NOTE: PLS NO ARGUMENTS, PLS JUST POST THE INFO REQUESTED, SIMPLE, SHORT AND SWEET. THANK YOU ALL
Afterburner@methous
Nova Core GM
The Case is this, Pvpers are a very small minority....thus we dont generate as much $$$ for STO then most of the PVErs, simply because there are more PVEers then PVPers. BUT if cryptic were to INVEST into pvp, like balancing out Powers, adding new skills, adding new maps, Reducing Spam, Creating a rep system for pvp and so forth, they will see a massive Inport of CASH into the game.
The bottom line is this, DEVS want money, PVP makes alot of money and the DEVS cant change what they dont know. They need to see How much cash on AVG a pvper that has been here since Beta has spent on PVP.
OR how much a new pvper has spent since pvping in sto. I can almost bet for certain that PVPers drop way more cash then PVErs, thus showing cryptic that there is MUCH stock in the PVP INVESTMENT idea.
BELOW (pls be honest now) PVPERS ONLY....pls State the following.
1. How long you have been Pvping.
2. How much cash have you spent for the sake of pvp, when considering new ships, gear, keys, respecs and so forth.
3. what fleet are you from.
NOTE: PLS NO ARGUMENTS, PLS JUST POST THE INFO REQUESTED, SIMPLE, SHORT AND SWEET. THANK YOU ALL
Afterburner@methous
Nova Core GM
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1. I have been Pvping Since Beta
2. Exact number not sure, but its Between 5,000 - 6,000K USD
3. I am from Nova Core
2. Dunno, $200-300 I guess
3. I'm in multiple fleets
2. 0 to this date
3. Borg Defiants Gaming Community (info in my sig)
Simply put - STO isnt a pvp game, and it never will be.
But, I will indulge you.
I am about $2k deep into sto, most of that was to further my pvp goals over 2 years I have a damn about pvp. Thats $19.23 per week, which makes me pretty insignifigant in the grand sceme of things with new users comming in every single day dropping 20-50 dollars just to fly a ship they saw on TV, or wear a pretty uniform while they add to their Star Trek Experience, and play once a month or never again. - Make no mistake, STO is a Social Themepark MMO, not an E-sport caliber mmo.
I am one person, pvp'ing in a que that might even be empty right now. I might pvp all night long and see the same 5 players over and over for hours. - How many people among the sto population acually care about pvp? 1%? 0.5%? - I dont know.
Let me put the question back to you with a twist - How much money would cryptic lose if they removed pvp from the game?
Enjoy your laser light show, and all the pve mechanics you are using against other people, with 30 different lasers comming from each player in a mess of angles and noises. - Try to remember that pvp is just a sandbox feature.
Fleet - Not relevant to this discussion at all. - Tell us, what is the real purpose of this thread?
2. $400-500 (would been more, but the lack of PvP and KDF Content prevented that)
3. Empress Yanin Vismitananda, Leader of Red Scorpion Empire / Empress Aya Ueto, Leader of Terran Empire First Fleet
But now I can't PVP at all, 'cause you know, you need both arms for mouse+keyboard controls.
2. zero
3. Inner Circle - Lag Industries
2. Lifetimeabo. Dont know how much i payed about a year ago. Guess could be 200-250$ (?)
3. Raumpatrouille Elysion.
Raumpatrouille Elysion
KDF
Angriffsflotte Omega
2. LTA since open beta. Plus about 200 USD in 4 years.
3. Raumpatrouille Elysion
STO-League.com | Weapon Damage Calculator | DPS Web Tools | STO-Center Forums
around 4k (a lot of that for a fleet i founded for having my own access to fleet gear for pvp, but sold long ago for ingame currency)
lag industries
Aproximately Since the game Went Live, but have been Subscribed since Open Beta via Life time sub.
2. How much cash have you spent for the sake of pvp, when considering new ships, gear, keys, respecs and so forth.
Aproximately 2-$3,000 In these 4 years I'm ashamed to admit
3. what fleet are you from.
Current Fleet: Show me your Critz/House of Critz with 1 character still I believe in SOB.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Yes PVPers are very small minority, but this is because devs have done nothing for pvp this years, in my pvp fleet we are now only 3 active members, all others left sto for other games. Cryptic need to invest in pvp to make it attractive for pve'rs and new players. I'd say adding new arena maps, new skills, weapons/consoles or reputation, will not solve the problem.
PVP need new gameplay types like territory control. There's a lot of other games from where devs can be inspired how to make pvp interesting.
2. 600-800 USD
3. Inner Circle
*** R.I.P. ***
Roughly 2000 usd
TRPH/lafamilia
Ive heard a few in trh day there account has cost 5k +
I would imagine about a grand in usd including life time membership.
Been in pandas, lag industries, will pvp for food and first column.
I think the long and short of it is that pvpers spend a lot more money but our spending pales in comparison purely because we are such a minority.
If cryptic could find a way to increase the numbers they would be onto a goldmine.(IMO)
zero $
58. / Svk
-about 10$ (farmed all the things i bought)
-confederazione stellare italiana
2. for pvp nothing at all everything has been grinded ingame as free to play not pay to win, by the same means every other player has access to, for pve expenses, including excessive amounts of outfits c store lobi, c store boffs i looked at the 27 pages in purchase history and decided not to bother calculating it up
3. i'm curious about why anyone would care on the fleet and what purpose this would serve as information to anyone including devs, but i'm in a few fleets, north central positronics, a.n.z.u.s. rangers fed/kdf, saint olivia each a none pvp fleet and filled with some really nice friendly people.
as a side note it should be noted that many pvpers are not in pvp fleets
as for pvpers paying more cash into sto then pvers, my outfits cost more then most in this thread have spent, and i buy them for each and every character. just an honest statement
2. Zero
3. Irrelevant, though it's in my sig (not even remotely a PvP fleet).
You already answered your question by saying that PvPers are a minority, the 1% if you will. Just because those in the 1% buy yachts doesn't mean that they boost the economy more than the 99% buying a coffee. And clearly, the business plan of this game highlights this paradigm well.
I think it would be more interesting to see the numbers on silver/gold accounts vs LTS. Too bad they don't publish such things. I'd bet we'd see tons of people just buying zen for vanity items (canon ships and costumes).
And really, being able to PvP requires knowing how to play the game. I'd bet that most PvPers are LTS and have an army of farming alts. If they're not generating huge incomes in game, they're doing it wrong.
About $800.00 USD
Deus Ex Machina, House of Beautiful Orions
It doesn't bother me to disclose the above info, but I'm curious, is this thread legit OP? What Devs are you talking to? Don't they know how much people spend through various metrics? If you come back to them and say "PvPers have spent x amount of dollars" what will happen exactly?
Feb 2010
2 years of Subscription for a total of $360, 1 gal-X $25, 1 Intrepid-R - $25, a few random costumes, inventory slots and the delta flyer <$50
Since F2P... just the energy credit cap increase and a fleet ship module $15.
So $450 total in cash.
Money generated by selling Dil for Zen... who knows? A bunch.
2) 5$
3) Leader of Raumpatrouille O.M.G.
I think for all the equipment, lockbox ships, ec etc i still have in my inventory its a whole sh*tload more.
Id say its fairly equal, if not more, compared to an equivalent sto player that does only PVE.
Problem is, the money cryptic earned on me is all over a timespan of 3/4 years, since PWE took over they only look at quickly made profits.
So they do not think long-term.
- 3/4 years
- I give away free tours tru my account, pm me for interest so u can assess the situation yourself ;p Optional bidding starts at 3000$
- X Sad Pandas
2) About $1K.
3) Fleet Operations.
2) Maybe about $500, but that is a rough estimate
3) Nove Core
2.0 for pvp
3. Promethean alliance
Quote, same here
January 2012
5$, was sick of farming
Confederazione stellare italiana
we've broken all our bonds, but life kept going on, what a time, what a time it was..." - Clem Tholet