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azurescarab
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Okay. I've been out of the game for a while (real life will do that to you), but I was planning on coming back to STO to pick up where I left off with my ENG toon. Now, around the time I left, I was facing down a major decision - what sort of ship to pick up for inbetween my ship now (an RSV, mainly designed around being an attack support vessel with a healthy dosage of STAY ALIVE) and the ship I plan to have, a Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit.
I had networked around, gotten opinions, and was about ready to buy the Tac Vesta...and then life came down on me like a pile of bricks and I didn't get around to it. BUT! Perhaps that has been to my favor. I came back and found a whole pile of new ships to play with, including the Dyson Destroyers. I took a look at them over on the wiki, and on paper, they seem to be better ships than what I was going to be working with in the future - better hull, better shields, better BO arrangement, the Tactical Mode useful for switching between Sci & Tac...is there some reason I shouldn't take them instead of the Vestas?
If anyone needs to ask questions about my ship setup...it's been a while. But I'll see if I can't get on with what I have and where I want to go in the next couple of days.
In the meantime, thoughts?
I had networked around, gotten opinions, and was about ready to buy the Tac Vesta...and then life came down on me like a pile of bricks and I didn't get around to it. BUT! Perhaps that has been to my favor. I came back and found a whole pile of new ships to play with, including the Dyson Destroyers. I took a look at them over on the wiki, and on paper, they seem to be better ships than what I was going to be working with in the future - better hull, better shields, better BO arrangement, the Tactical Mode useful for switching between Sci & Tac...is there some reason I shouldn't take them instead of the Vestas?
If anyone needs to ask questions about my ship setup...it's been a while. But I'll see if I can't get on with what I have and where I want to go in the next couple of days.
In the meantime, thoughts?
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Yeah you can swith between modes but that would require some multipurpose build and thats a lot less effective than a solid sci or tac setup.
It's the same with the weapon layout, in tac mode you'd want a front heavy layout for the (avarage) proton cannons but in sci mode something else might be better suited. And the problem with the fused proton cannon is that almost none of the tac consoles work for them cause of their rare energy type (the dyson rep weapon being the only other full proton ship weapon). It's kinda their over the top multipurpose gimmick that let's them fall behind the other ships.
As for other shenanigans with these ships:
The warp/sing core necessary for the 4 piece set bonus is ONLY on the event ship which now costs 600 lobi. Which means if you want another toon to have it you must spend 600 lobi again.
If you want the ship for all factions buy the whole pack. I know it's really expensive but look at it from this way: when you buy only one ship you'll lose access to the bundles and IF you'd like to have another console for the set bonus or a ship for rom/kling toon you'd have to spend a LOT of zen to get that.
And let's not forget that annoying bug which gets you stuck in tac mode until you swith maps :rolleyes:
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
The Vesta is very versatile ship to the point you can put virtually any build on it.
The RSV is a good ship but the Fleet Nova does the RSV's job better, the only problem the Npva has really is a lack of survivability in pvp (The hull is a little thin).
Of all the ships though I would go with the fleet Nova, especially with an engineering captain as the various captain powers can make it something very nasty.
For build ideas for each ship see:-
http://www.kaysvaultofstuff.com/dyson.html
http://www.kaysvaultofstuff.com/vesta.html
http://www.kaysvaultofstuff.com/luna.html
http://www.kaysvaultofstuff.com/nova.html
rom dyson sci vessel has everything a sci vessel has and pretty much everything a warbird has. The rom. temporal sci vessel is a joke compared.
as others said, vesta or wells for fed char is superior.
if you want a destroyer that has a little SCI onboard go for a breen cruiser, or something else with Ltdcmdr sci and commander Tac.
Omega 3, GW1, scatter volley 1 or 2 is a really good combo in PVE.
If you have LTS, Fleet Chimera: CMDR, LT, LT, Lt CMDR, ENS with a 4/3 weapons loadout.
Fleet Patrol Escort Refit (FPER): CMDR, Lt CMDR, LT, Lt CMDR with a 4/3 weapons loadout. <-- probably one of the best right now
For more of a cruiser feel, you could run Oddyssy Sci: LT, CMDR, LT, Lt CMDR, ENS with 4/4 and good layout/tanking capabilities.
Fleet Support Cruiser Retrofit (aka Ambassador Class): LT, ENS, CMDR, Lt CMDR, LT with 4/4 weapons. Good ship! Pricey though.
For a much cheaper version there's the Mirror Heavy Cruiser Retrofit: LT, ENS, CMDR, LT, Lt CMDR, 4/4 weapons but less sci skills.
Those are all decent sci-oriented ships. Some allow more flexibility than others with universal slots. Overall the Vesta is probably the best with a CMDR sci slot. The wells looks good as well but the Vesta maybe edges it out with included gear and it's account-wide so you can use it on multiple toons.
I use the free 9-console DSD on my Rom sci and I have been constantly reworking and tweaking my build since I first got it. And only now do I feel I have something that I think works well for me.
However, I was looking over a comparison chart of all the ships, and at the part that covered the various Fleet ships. So, question to the Federation captains - stick with what I was doing, or should I consider using my ship modules instead on the Fleet RSV? IE, which is better - more tac consoles and hull/shields; or an upgraded Tac BOff (1 LtC rather than 1 Lt & 1 Ens) plus the added maneuverability? (Most things I've read say that the Fleet SV Retro has near-Escort maneuvering power.)
Just putting that out there :rolleyes:
You are not forced into making a "hybrid BOFF setup."
You are not forced into making a TAC heavy Escort setup.
You are not forced into making a SCI heavy Science Vessel setup.
You set it up however damn well it pleases you for whatever aim in design effectiveness you want. By default it is Cmdr SCI with LtCdr TAC. I'm sure you can design something around that. In Destroyer Mode it's the other way around. I'm sure you can design something around that if you so choose. It doesn't mean you have to stay in one or the other, or even change into the other.
If people got over that obstacle in their minds, then you may open up options. Whether you take some sort of advantage with the DSD Secondary Deflector (vanilla or anniversary/lobi version) or not.
My only big gripe with the DSDs is how they look :cool:
My 'free' DSD is in drydock, because I personally don't like the look.
Now if you want to fly the FED DSD, you have to take these into consideration based on my opinion:
1) You need to have Antiproton beam weapons, not cannons but beams.
2) The 3 piece Protonic Arsenal is a must
3) You will need at least 15% Crit Chance and over 100% Crit Sev
4) Use the Shield and Engine from the Adapted MACO Set and the Deflector & Warp Core from the Fluidic Counter Assault Set
5) The MK XII Vulnerability Locator Consoles for Antiproton weapons
6) Change your skills to focus on CMD and Lt. CMD science powers
So yes, I prefer the Vesta but no, DSD ships are more limited.
I got the Tactical one a year ago and it is the ship I play the most. I highly discourage people from getting dyson. Boff layout is poor, the fused canon and destroyer mode are gimmicks and the 2nd deglector costs 600 lobi which is roughly $150 in lock boxes.
- Judge Aaron Satie
I've learned to compensate for the Vesta's hull when you put an engineering captain in command. Miracle Worker works wonders! So does Nadion Inversion
I rather like my Chimera build. have not parsed damage but it's a blast to fly in the battlezone.
http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=chimera_1513
i have similar builds on a Orb weaver, a moebius and a vesta, and the vesta is the worse of the bunch