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An outlier among energy weapon types: Antiproton
mreeves7a
Member Posts: 499 Arc User
With the game design's continuing focus on pushing DPS, there is a single weapon type that has been given a massive advantage over the other choices; antiproton. Now that 30% crit chance is reachable for captains, I think that it is time to change AP to reflect the detail/info tab text that refers a chance to ignore shields: remove the innate +20% Crit Severity and replace with a 2.5% chance to bypass shields.
Such a change would be one of, hopefully, many small adjustments to reign in outlying performance in weapons. A change like this would also have the minor effect of making Elachi Disruptor and Piercing Tetryon weapons into dis/tet-antiproton hybrids.
Such a change would be one of, hopefully, many small adjustments to reign in outlying performance in weapons. A change like this would also have the minor effect of making Elachi Disruptor and Piercing Tetryon weapons into dis/tet-antiproton hybrids.
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Indeed, sir, I do realize that. And there is no reason for AP to be given such a different treatment. The +20 crit severity wasn't a big issue before we could hit such high chances at a critical hit; and now that the craft system is going to be producing AP weapons without poor choices of mods...AP is already like the A2B of weapon choices, let's not make it the EPtS/TT of weapons.
All that would do is return us to where tac console count and tac captains are all that matters in game. We've been making minor inroads lately to having all careers be useful...somewhat.
If the 2.5% chance at ignoring shields is unsatisfactory; what would suggest for a 2.5% chance occurrence?
Actually, just posting this reply cuz I know MrReeves7 in game and don't want his post to fall off fp too soon...
See y'a INGAME where my AP will kick yer TRIBBLE!:rolleyes:
Bahaha, Plasma will melt your face!!!
CUUCUUMBEER! "-With slight partigen with it."
Proud member or DPS-800 "-We kill dem mines with our scitter turrets."
Even better full tetryon turret boat.
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Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
AP is an outlier, but it is not stronger.
IMHO AP is a starter damage type. I use it a lot on my poor alts. Why is it cheap? No rep, no dil and you can still get a 10% increase from the set, a potent aft weapon, ... all you have to buy are the actual weapons and you are done.
So why is it a starter set? First, the weapons from fleet do not have the mods one might like to max/min the type. There is no CridDX2 mod, for example. Second, you can't stack on it. Rom plasma, you can stack a fleet warp core (amp: 12% damage increase) and the plasma set (2 pieces, 7% I think?). There is no rep 2 piece 7% AP bonus anywhere! Second, to maximize the damage from AP, you need a high crit % (at least 25%) AND a high critD modifier (high accuracy allows this to function well in PVE, along with specific items that increase crid D).
AP is odd because its "proc" is at least 10x more frequent than any other: 25% vs 2.5%, roughly, assuming the user has the crit rating. Even with that proc rate, though, it is still difficult to beat the plasma damage bonuses + dot bonuses + dot damage + resist debuff of rom plasma. And its arguable that fleet disruptors might even beat AP with the undine set (hard to say, its darn near impossible to compare 2 builds).
Also AP is odd in that it can't be used on rom ships with the set -- it is rare that free gear is not allowed for a faction, but this one is. However a rom captain in a lockbox ship with the AP set and SRO officers can shred things pretty well. SRO isnt cheap, unless you have slowly farmed your own over time... and box ships are not cheap either, but if you have all that, it performs well enough.
Ap will get you a solid dps value easily. It can get you a pretty high dps value with a lot of tweaking. But I can't see it pushing top end.
But to get back to your ideas... the first things to do to "fix" ap (if it actually needs fixing??) would be to offer a rep set for it.
We already have shield bypassing damage types. I like AP just like it is and would not care to see that changed. If you want to beat on the hull, use plasma or polaron.
But that is the thing, I am not sure it is actually that critical (haha). Lacking the stacked set bonus/amped that most other types enjoy, and lacking weapons with the max/min mods (is crafting going to solve this??) ... they crit a little harder but hit a little softer overall, and it seems to balance out pretty well in practice. Leaving the victims of a stealth alpha etc BO3 crit to feel a bit swindled, but other than that... (I also have to say it does alright with a decloak flanked rapidfire BOP assault).
8 weapons give around an 18.3% probability per cycle (so every 3-5s) of landing a Disruptor Breach. Course, you branch that out to more folks - you increase the probability...5x 8 would get you to 63.7% probability. So if you were building a team...probably go the Rom Plasma route for the Disruptor proc probability. Course, it's not going to be 8x weapons - so it will be lower, but that would still be an angle to look at it. Work in some of the dualprocs that can stack...and yeah...that'd be the way to go, right?
Thing is, if you're pugging and not everybody's doing that...
...do you build hoping or do you build accepting?
I agree the fleet core is best long term. I just can't afford them on all my alts yet.
If going for dps I certainly would not give up a tac console. And that makes the remaining 5-6 consoles very precious things.
Pugging with 20k in my FED/KDF Sci&Engineers in Plasmaboats I dont really see the problem with Tac being all that matters in the game. Where do ppl get that impression from?