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Tribble Maintenance and Release Notes - July 10, 2014
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We will be bringing down the Tribble server for maintenance to apply a new update: ST.42.20140629a.11
General:
Known Issues:
General:
- Research and Development:
- Resolved an issue where crafted items would auto-slot if a slot was available on the captain or ship.
- Items should always go to players inventory.
- Crafting icons have been removed from the project selection window.
- The window has been replaced with text stating Inputs vary based on project parameters.
- Difficulty Rating is now Recommended Skill.
- Crafting Skill is now Current Skill.
- Numerous missing icons are now in place.
- Numerous updates have been made to the UI art, sizing, and information.
- All fleet project inputs have been updated to work with the new Raw Materials used in R&D, removing references to Data Samples and Particle Traces.
- Any project which previously required Data Samples now requires the same amount of Raw Materials.
- The fleet credit return for each item input has not changed.
- Any project which previously required Particle Traces now requires 5x that amount of Raw Materials.
- The fleet credit return for each item input has been reduced on these projects, to match the return from Raw Materials in other projects.
- Any project which previously required Data Samples now requires the same amount of Raw Materials.
- Resolved an issue where crafted items would auto-slot if a slot was available on the captain or ship.
- Resolved numerous clipping issues when wearing the new Odyssey uniforms.
Known Issues:
- The new Crafting system is not in its final state.
- UI for the Crafting system is still a work in progress.
- Duty Officer Rewards are not displaying for Completed or assignments in the Log.
- Kits in your inventory cannot be equipped by double-clicking on them.
- You can drag and drop slot them.
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So these fleet projects do not distinguish between raw materials of different quality?
From my testing just now it doesn't appear so.
edit: Based on a lack of replies, I'm guessing this isn't something many folks are noticing...meh.
http://i.imgur.com/PM8JfF7.png
Can anyone say with a straight face that the new UI is an 'improvement'? Not only is it aesthetically unappealing, you can no longer click on an assignment and get a complete rundown of it quickly. You can argue that the new UI shows what you need for the assignment and what you get from it, but to bloat the assignment bars up to the crazy size they are now is not worth it. I can see 8 assignments on the old UI without scrolling, on the new UI I can only see 5. Please scrap this and start over!
I actually mostly disagree though I do think they need to scale down parts of it, I would also think we need more material missions with less time or more quantity for a 20 hour project, giving 10x the reward.
I would also keep the separate science, engineering etc doff missions, not open listed by default.
It wouldn't be so bad if they had a option to decrease the size of icon's and text, even better would be the option to shrink those and add a second display column so you would have 2 projects displayed per row instead of the single and large section of wasted space.
Again, the KISS (aka "Keep It Simple Stupid) design principle is thrown to the curb by Cryptic with the new interface, and they call that "an improvement?
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Old System
1. On the assignment page you have everything laid out for you, and on the left hand side I have a nice big list of all the doffs I can use for this assignment:
http://i.imgur.com/akadmgh.png
2. For an assignment that only asks for doffs of a certain department I like to either use doffs I have excess of or ones of a profession I hardly use, in this case I used 2 Conn Officers and a Shield Distribution Officer:
http://i.imgur.com/brMCZW5.png
It was very easy to scroll down and find the doffs I wanted.
New System
1. The new UI chose the doffs for the assignment automatically:
http://i.imgur.com/EZ95D0F.png
While this is a nice addition these doffs could be better used in other assignments (Security Officers in particular have many assignments that specifically require them).
2. So I want to change them, I click on the select button and get this:
http://i.imgur.com/pBXz8Zo.png
What is this... a center for ants??? Every single that should be small on the UI is MASSIVE, and the one thing that should actually be bigger is tiny! What order is this even in?
3. So after scrolling through this thing 3 times I finally find the doffs I'm looking for:
http://i.imgur.com/hbl2kef.png
And I should note I have a fairly large screen that I play on, so if you have a smaller screen good luck to you :P
Is text-changes and a few UI-changes everything this update is about?
"Recommended Skill" and "Current Skill"? Well, don't you forget that you start with a Current Skill of 0 and need to craft components with a Recommended Skill of 50 as the first thing you need to do? That might be a bit disturbing?
Still no secondary deflectors... Could you (anybody from Cryptic) tell us, when we can expect them? Will secondary deflectors be in the Science School of the new R&D-System?
An update would be welcome.
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Hawk said this yesterday...
Personally, I agree that the UI providing less information and requiring more clicking does not qualify as an improvement; however, the UI is more simplistic, so the application of KISS is debatable. It's not more simple to actually use, but the design itself is more visually simplistic, much like the difference between the smartphone you carry around vs. the computer you play STO on. The new UI would be great for Gateway so you can putz about with your doffs on the go, but for use within the full game it's a definite step backward for folks that actually liked doffing.
They should redesign it with rows and columns, that way you could probably fit at least 10 on the page. Like the windows explorer layout, make the missions as small as possible while still preserving the details ofc. I think the main worry though, is that many mission names are too long. The titles would have to span multiple lines and it'll be hard to fit the rest in.
*EDIT* Question for the UI team: is it possible for the engine to display the Result/Requirements in the Tooltip? that could open up a TON of room
Selecting doffs that are not automatically assigned is just BAD in this design. I really really hope they have something better and just not implemented yet. The rest of the doff system is starting to come together. The last part that was beautifully illustrated with screenshots is the only pain point left for me. If they re-work that... I think it wont be so bad.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=17929301&postcount=173
Barrel Synchronizer
Focusing Lens
Industrial Replicator
Lab Equipment
Particle Field Generator
Targeting Interface
Coolant Injector
Electromagnetic Coupling
Emitter Module
All need 3 Magnesite and 2 Hydrazine Gas.
Only the component Subprocessor Unit needs 3 Trionium Gas and 2 Duranium.
There are four more green quality components:
EPS Conduit
EPS Regulator
I.F.F. Beacon
Plasma Capacitor
All need 3 Hexafluorine Gas and 2 Thoron Particles.
This means that both Tritanium and Verteron Particle are not used in any project I can see.
Blue and purple quality components have way more varied material needs, presumably whites and greens should work like that, too.
Devs, please take another look at this!
The crafting system feels quite inefficient.
Even with the "critical" chance, I'd still like to have the possibility to craft more than one component at a time. You have to spend lots of time to craft components (with almost no rewards, XP-wise), before you even have the chance to craft one item... I'd prefer to have my Duty officers work for an hour to create large batches of components instead of doing that all by myself. I could go and collect more materials, in that time. That would be somewhat more efficient.
Besides, there still seems to be something broken in the Duty Officer system:
http://imgur.com/O6pvoz9
PS: Don't reduce the size of the UI any more. I'm glad I can finally see the amount of rewards/needed parts. Was always a lot of guessing for me with the old UI. To those why may cry out because of this: You are able to change the size of the window, as you can see in that pic above. If you don't want to do that, deal with it.
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I totally agree, and also with the other comments made about the new Doff UI. For me it's too clunky and rather unintuitive. One perfect example is the rewards screen, it not only shows you your rewards very prominently (which is fine), but rather indistinguishable shows the assignments requirements aswell, which is absolutly not necessary. Also, compared to the size of the rewards the simple outcome ("success" "critical success" ...) is rather small and therefore not easy to see. You can see what I mean on chrisolliec's screen directly above my post.
It's all basically been said, I'll just stress the importance of decreasing the assignement tile sizes.
On the screenshots presented, people have a much larger Doff window open than a 1366x768 screen permits. I'm kinda forced to the smallest Doff UI possible and there i only see 3 and a half assignements without scrolling. And the jumbled mess of doffs that opens in a new window when I want to choose one for an assignement is another loss of screen space. Quite a significant one.
Then you've got here feedback that's been pretty consistent from day 1: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1147711
And I haven't noticed any changes to the Doff UI since last patch, so I presume the 'numerous updates' all went to crafting instead.
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Yes. This is the problem with the new UI.
A. The UI automatically slots the "recommended" doffs, who are almost always the wrong ones for the assignment (optimized for success rather than optimized for critical success).
B. Replacing the "recommended" doffs with the ones you actually want to use is incredibly painful due to the awful popup windows. Given that Cryptic still hasn't fixed the popup windows that were added with the loadout system, I do not have great hope that they will ever fix these, either.
Not to sound melodramatic, but if this system goes live with the popup windows in their current state, it will kill doffing for me. And since doffing is one of the few things about the game that makes me feel like a ship captain rather than a fighter pilot or special forces operative, if this system goes live with the popup windows in their current state, it will kill the game for me.
Another location is starbase with reports trading CXP to fleet marks where player wants optimize for critical too (and AI pick is especially bad when assignment can have only critical/success, ie there's no fail)
Not sure why you needed any "guesswork" with the old system, since all the information you needed about an assignment would appear in the right-hand pane. By trying to fit more information in the assignment description, they're actually including less information overall.
But if this system goes live in anything resembling its current state, I will "deal with it" ... by cancelling my subscription. Cryptic had better hope that there aren't a lot of people like me, I guess....
It may sound like a minor thing but... the pie. The pie! It was the perfect chart for this. Why was it changed?! Bar charts are not adequate for this because they don't tell at quick glance that the numbers are part of a percentage.
At this point, it's just wishful thinking, knowing Cryptic, but I wish the old interface could be just tweaked around and not completely overhauled into something less practical.
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Well said!
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I can definitely craft mk iv weapons at level 0, so its not something ive noticed.
they appear as you have all you need, so you think you have enough and are puzzled as to why you can't start the project.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
Change for the sake of change is a genuinely stupid concept
The current interface on live works well, I'd even say its possibly the best organised section in the UI
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Actually, if you dont have enough, that component is colored red