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Klingon free tac ship for PvE fundraising

vaklovaklo Member Posts: 74 Arc User
edited July 2014 in The Academy
My interest is in having my KDF tac captain capable of doing solo fundraising such as space farm foundry missions. My Fed tac captain does one on elite and it goes pretty well. I would want a ship that is either the last free one, or a mirror ship that is affordable.

I read that BoPs are great for DPS, but maybe not sturdy enough for a farm on elite, true?

Thanks.

Also, I would like a KDF tac skills build recommendation too.
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    captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    A free boat? I'd probably go with a raptor, or failing that one of the basic dyson science destroyers (if the free ones are still available).
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    lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I chose the Mirror Somraw Raptor, and it served me quite well.
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    lomax6996lomax6996 Member Posts: 512 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    The Hegh'Ta BOP (the last free BOP) is one of the best free awarded ships on the KDF side. Well loved by most KDF players it's the slowest BOP but still fast enough and tougher than any other BOP. Ample weapons, console and BoFF slots. Best choice, IMO, for what you have in mind.
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    zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Bops can survive just about anything any other ship can but they are more designed on piloting skill than stats. The flanking really helped with the stat issue but tbh to make them just as good we need something like romulans and remans get where you can reduce the cd of the battle cloak and where remans can extend their cloak ambush buff time. Is why some on fed side complained about flanking but they assumed that we had access to remans but we can get cloak cd reduction if you buy embassy romulan doffs. They should modify one of the klingon and orion traits so that we can get a longer cloak ambush too.
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    policestate76policestate76 Member Posts: 1,424 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    lomax6996 wrote: »
    The Hegh'Ta BOP (the last free BOP) is one of the best free awarded ships on the KDF side. Well loved by most KDF players it's the slowest BOP but still fast enough and tougher than any other BOP. Ample weapons, console and BoFF slots. Best choice, IMO, for what you have in mind.

    I agree. The hegh'Ta is great. It is still faster than most escorts and raptors. And it is maybe one of the few free ships worthy to keep after level 40.

    The mirror stomaw raptor is also great, but honestly the only difference between the Hegh'tap and the stomaw raptor is the style. I never liked the style of the raptors, so i picked the Hegn'tap instead. And im quite happy with it ^^
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    bejaymacbejaymac Member Posts: 448 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    lomax6996 wrote: »
    The Hegh'Ta BOP (the last free BOP) is one of the best free awarded ships on the KDF side. Well loved by most KDF players it's the slowest BOP but still fast enough and tougher than any other BOP. Ample weapons, console and BoFF slots. Best choice, IMO, for what you have in mind.

    Took mine in to the Undine BZ by mistake, it's only got mk10 & 11 blue and purple gear, I was expecting to die all of the time but I gave it a try any way. Damn was it fun, hard work but fun, and I didn't die once, came close a couple of times though especially at the Voth battle at the end, thankfully we have quite a few decent players in the game as they spam healed me when I got too close to a ship as it exploded.
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    policestate76policestate76 Member Posts: 1,424 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    bejaymac wrote: »
    Took mine in to the Undine BZ by mistake, it's only got mk10 & 11 blue and purple gear, I was expecting to die all of the time but I gave it a try any way. Damn was it fun, hard work but fun, and I didn't die once, came close a couple of times though especially at the Voth battle at the end, thankfully we have quite a few decent players in the game as they spam healed me when I got too close to a ship as it exploded.

    You will not die in the undine battlezone.. ever.. unless you are atracting all the fire and you have only a couple of guys helping you. With mk10 and 11 equpiment and a ship that doesnt inflict as much damage as a scimitar (classic to see varios scimitars in the undine BZ) or a high-end equiped ship, you will never be the target of the undine ships, since you will not be generating so much agro (unless you are alone.. something almost impossible in the undine BZ, for some weird reason). You will never die. Well, i used my Hegt'ha a lot of time sin the undine BZ and i never died. It is not hard to survive there. Well, the only thing i did was pressing the fire button all the time and trying to get away from the bubbles, thats all. Since i coudnt see my weapons firing, and the lag was terrible, i used the speed and turn rate of the bop to just stay away from the bubbles and try to kill the bad guys.
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    jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    My KDF Tactical toon have been flying BoPs exclusively since level 1. I really like flying BoPs. In fact, I was still flying my T4 Ki'Tang BoP when I was max level 50 for a while. I think I finally started flying the T5 Hegh'ta Heavy BoP after I have been max level for around 3 or 4 weeks.

    I bought a Mirror Qin Heavy Raptor and I have slowly been kitting it out, but I have yet to actually fly it. I suppose I am really reluctant to put my Hegh'ta BoP on the sidelines. The hull is rather weak, but it is very versatile ship to fly as long as you know how to fly it. However, it's probably not good for space farming since most of the farming missions requires that you sit still and fire everything. In a situation like that a BoP will not survive very long.

    I recommend you purchase the Mirror Qin Heavy Raptor from the Exchange which typically sells for around 850k ECs. But prices can vary; the cheapest I've seen it was for around 500k EC. The difference between the Mirror Qin and the regular Qin is that the Mirror Qin has an ensign engineering station instead of an ensign tactical station. That mean the Mirror Qin has better survival with a small loss in DPS. The remaining Commander and Lt. Commander tactical stations still means you have a lot of firepower potential.

    BoPs can have great DPS spikes, but it is not sustainable long term because of weak shields (0.8 shield modifier vs. 1.00 shield modifier for a cruiser) in addition to weak hulls. You need to flying in and out of combat to repair damage. Having the right engineering abilities (Engineering Team / Emergency Power to Shields) and science abilities (Science Team / Hazard Emitters) means you can last longer before running away.

    Shields for Raptors are only marginally better than for BoPs (0.83 shield modifier), but at least the hull is stronger compared to BoPs (by about 25%).
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    policestate76policestate76 Member Posts: 1,424 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    If you know how to maximize your damage with a bop, you dont need to go out of combat to heal.. you just need to kill your target before you need to do that. Unless your fighting agaist several ships, in that case, yes, with a bop is imperative to go out of combat, cloak, heal and come back to finish the job.

    With my hent'a, on advanced difficulty i can kill amost any target in seconds. With all my DHCs in action i get rid of my target shields almost instantly, then i only need to turn back, and drop my high yielded photons. It works almost all the time xd. Thats the awesome thing about bops, you can turn sides at incredible speeds and you can fire all your back weapons almost at the same time you finished your front attack. If you do that effectively, you will not need to go away to heal. But of course, this requires a good piloting skills, since bops are not easy to handle sometimes.

    And i dont need stupid high ammounts of DPS or anything else. Its not always about DPS, besides i dont care about DPS, just about having fun.
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    jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Yeah, when equipped and piloted properly a BoP can generally take on just about any single enemy. The only enemy that I have problems with taking on my own so far is a Borg Sphere (and bigger Borg ships) in an elite STF. Then again, I am only using very basic equipment each are either free or cost no more than 200K EC on the Exchange. No rep or fleet gear whatsoever. I also have not slotted any Doffs either for their space / ground abilities.

    I'll also add the Tholian and Voth Dreadnoughts to the list of ships I can't take on alone.
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    norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    vaklo wrote: »
    My interest is in having my KDF tac captain capable of doing solo fundraising such as space farm foundry missions. My Fed tac captain does one on elite and it goes pretty well. I would want a ship that is either the last free one, or a mirror ship that is affordable.

    I read that BoPs are great for DPS, but maybe not sturdy enough for a farm on elite, true?

    Thanks.

    Also, I would like a KDF tac skills build recommendation too.

    BOP have low shields and low hull. They are excellent for what they do: all universal officers and cloaked vapes. For elite trash, you can do fine if you have excellent gear. If you want to play in blue quality exchange /quested gear on the cheap, BOP not so good for this job.

    A free ship or mirror... you might try mirror negh or mirror quin. The quin is going to be a little softer but deal better dps, the neg tougher but lower dps. Both should serve well.

    another neat idea would be the kamarang retrofit, from temporal ambassador. Low dps but might make a good FAW ship that can take some abuse.
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    jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    noroblad wrote: »

    A free ship or mirror... you might try mirror negh or mirror quin. The quin is going to be a little softer but deal better dps, the neg tougher but lower dps. Both should serve well.

    another neat idea would be the kamarang retrofit, from temporal ambassador. Low dps but might make a good FAW ship that can take some abuse.

    Mirror Qin, yes.

    Mirror Negh'Var, no. The Negh'var is better suited for engineering toons, not tactical toons due to only having an ensign and Lt. tactical stations. Tactical toons can still captain the Mirror Negh'Var, but they might feel limited by the tactical stations. Additionally, the Mirror Negh'var is the most expensive Mirror ship selling on the Exchange. As of yesterday it is listed for 9 million ECs. I manged to buy one for 4 million ECs about 2 weeks ago when it seems that the Exchange was "flooded" with Mirror Negh'vars. I still haven't opened it. I bought because I am simply collecting all the Mirror KDF ships to store in my inventory.

    The Kamarang Retrofit was a time limited reward for playing Temporal Ambassador from Jan 31, 2014 through Feb 18, 2014. The next possible time to get it would likely be early 2015. Playing Temporal Ambassador now will only reward the T3 "Normal" Kamarang.
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    policestate76policestate76 Member Posts: 1,424 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    noroblad wrote: »
    For elite trash, you can do fine if you have excellent gear. If you want to play in blue quality exchange /quested gear on the cheap, BOP not so good for this job.

    Erm... if you say so. I own with my Henghta and i dont use reputation or fleet items. Not even a full load of purple equipment. Of course i am talking about advanced, not elite, but honestly , seeing that elite is a total waste of time, i dont need more. Imagine if i have reputation and fleet equipment.. welll, i will have a really feared ship lol. Usually people that says this is because they never tried to make a decent build with standard equipment. Or because you are one of those who grinds everything to have always the best of the best and you never worried about lower quality items. But again, you dont need high-end equipment, not by far. Not for pve, not for elite stfs, not for anything actually.

    Of course, with high-end equipment things change a lot, but still, its like if a ship is not using the best of the best equipment of the game, its pure TRIBBLE. And then we complain about the power creep non stoping.. lol. :P
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    lomax6996lomax6996 Member Posts: 512 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Erm... if you say so. I own with my Henghta and i dont use reputation or fleet items. Not even a full load of purple equipment. Of course i am talking about advanced, not elite, but honestly , seeing that elite is a total waste of time, i dont need more. Imagine if i have reputation and fleet equipment.. welll, i will have a really feared ship lol. Usually people that says this is because they never tried to make a decent build with standard equipment. Or because you are one of those who grinds everything to have always the best of the best and you never worried about lower quality items. But again, you dont need high-end equipment, not by far. Not for pve, not for elite stfs, not for anything actually.

    Of course, with high-end equipment things change a lot, but still, its like if a ship is not using the best of the best equipment of the game, its pure TRIBBLE. And then we complain about the power creep non stoping.. lol. :P

    Seconded! The stats on the Hegh'Ta are only slightly less than those on my Fleet Norgh and the Fleet Norgh is virtually identical to a Fleet B'rel. So if you can't stay alive in a Hegh'Ta then I would say BOP's are not your cup of tea :D... no prob, though, I have a KDF Tac in a Fleet Torkaht that can seriously tear things up. But if you're wanting to learn to be a hotshot BOP pilot... the Hegh'Ta is as good a training ground as you can get (and just downright good looking IMO). Show of hands all those that would like to see a Fleet Hegh'Ta!!
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    shadokittyshadokitty Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    All this talk about the Hegh'Ta makes me can't wait till my Gorn Commander makes BG. He flies BoPs.
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    psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I got a Qin Raptor when I hit level 40 for the first time. No regrets.
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    jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    skollulfr wrote: »
    no.
    just like the star cruiser, its just not suited for anything LEAST of all an engie that has nothing inherent to help it kill things.

    only useful purpose there is being a psudo ship gear bank.

    The reason why I stated it is better suited for an engineer is because of the Cmdr and Lt. engineering stations. The Lt. Cmdr Science station adds the possibility to use GW1.

    I am not saying it is the best ship for an engineer. I am only saying that it is best suited for an engineer.
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