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Fleet patrol escort refit as a sci boat?
lordsteve1
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Just been looking at the fleet escorts available. I was considering getting the fleet advanced escort, the main reason being it's ability to slot a grav well boff power and combine that with the heavy hitting escort style makes for some serious damage potential.
But I noticed that the new fleet patrol escort refit can now slot a grav well too by using the uni boff slot for science.
Has anyone tried this yet and does it work? My main thinking is that it allows you to basically build quite a tanky escort that can also be heavily science orientated but still maintains the damage output of an escort. It has commander tac which allows for enough tac powers to be effective, and the lt commander eng slot allows for some EPtX powers to help with damage output and tanking.
Having only 4 boff stations you'd loose the ability to double slot TT though, but that would not be too much of a problem I think.
I'm thinking is run it similar to how I run my vesta, DHCs and grav torp up front, turrets in rear plus KCB. Main differences would be lower shield mod, higher hull HPs and a concentration on weapons power not aux power. Power management is no issue as I can slot a leech console.
But I noticed that the new fleet patrol escort refit can now slot a grav well too by using the uni boff slot for science.
Has anyone tried this yet and does it work? My main thinking is that it allows you to basically build quite a tanky escort that can also be heavily science orientated but still maintains the damage output of an escort. It has commander tac which allows for enough tac powers to be effective, and the lt commander eng slot allows for some EPtX powers to help with damage output and tanking.
Having only 4 boff stations you'd loose the ability to double slot TT though, but that would not be too much of a problem I think.
I'm thinking is run it similar to how I run my vesta, DHCs and grav torp up front, turrets in rear plus KCB. Main differences would be lower shield mod, higher hull HPs and a concentration on weapons power not aux power. Power management is no issue as I can slot a leech console.
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http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=fperphasergravtorp1_0
I use 2 Conn Doffs which reduce the CD of TT1 and additionally boost the attack patterns (AP:A and AP:B). Also, I use the Nadeon Bomb from the C-Store PER, which, when buffed by TT, AP:A, AP:B, and EPtW3, is like nothing I've seen in this game before.
As for GW, go for it. I never regretted using the Lt.Cmd. Uni as a Sci. With a Setup like this, you have crowd control and ridiculous fire power.
I'll probably go with tac powers like this:
TT1, THY1, TS2, CSV3
I know there's no attack pattern but I've been having great success with the grav torp in both HY and TS, and when using the new bio torp as an alternative it is insane with HY.
CSV is for stripping shields and attacking anything else prior to torps being ready.
All the other boff powers would be pretty much the same as you've got.
Every ship of any magnitude has stolen her lay out. I am glad she got an overhaul.
You can't go wrong with this ship in any form. Sci tac eng. She's just shining like a star and only seems to get better with age. Unlike all these other pretenders.
The old patrol escort is a mediocre eng leaning escort, with no sci boff high enough to slot Grav well I. That's why op was talking about fleet advanced escort instead, for the science boff.
There are quite a few tac ships with science/univ boff high enough to fit grav well I, from the new patrol escort refit to the breen cruiser. There is also one tac ship on the klingon side (karfi) that can slot Grav well III + I while maintain 4/3 weapons, 4 tac consoles, and high tac boffs.
At this point, yes, the new fleet patrol escort with universal boff, is better than fleet advanced escort. There is no reason to get the fleet advanced escort just for grav well I, as was the case in the past. Although other choices for grav well I tac boat remain viable. For example, breen cruiser still has one more gun (real gun), better dps, far better tank, at the expense of -2 turn (13 instead of 15).
But as it's unavailable at the moment I don't look at it as a viable alternative.
Edit: Added proposed build from STOAcademy
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=sciencepatrolescortrefit_5576
Torp will be either grav torp as shown or the enhanced bio torp.
2pc bonus from hvy turret & console adds up to more damage than a spire console in my trials on other ships. Plus the console boosts both phasers and photons at the same time.
Kinetic shearing together with the procs from either kind torp is pretty lethal i've found.
**Commander Tactical**
* Tactical Team I
* Scatter Volley I
* Torpedo Spread III
* Attack Pattern Beta III
**Lieutenant Tactical**
* Tactical Team I
* Scatter Volley I
**Ensign Tactical**
* Torpedo Spread I
**Lt. Cmdr. Science**
* Science Team I
* Hazard Emitters II
* Gravity Well I
**Lieutenant Engineering**
* Emergency Power to Shields I
* Reverse Shield Polarity
For equipment, you'd want 3 DHCs in front backed up by a torpedo; turrets in the rear backed up by the Kinetic Cutting Beam. I'd recommend using the 2-piece Adapted MACO set (shields and engines) since you get a boost to auxiliary power - essential to Gravity Well, and using the 8472 deflector which offers boosts to your weapons and particle generators. A competent pilot can pull an easy 10-13k DPS in a build like this, even with crappy Mk XI equipment. I hope this is helpful.
Lol yeah, I just noticed that. It wasn't the eng boff that got turned into universal, it was the tac one. So yeah, the universal can't be anything other than tac (for nona2b) or eng (for a2b). It's not a replacement for advanced escort after all.
Using conn officer doff to reduce TT cooldown and also energy weapon doffs to reduce cannon & torp power cooldowns.
I didn't really notice a problem with not have boff powers availible when i needed them so that aspect of it was not a problem.
The leech console meant i never had power supply problems either so i don't think i'll miss out by not having it as an A2B build.
I've got other boffs i can swap in though so i can go and try the uni slot as eng. and tac. and see how it does and if i like it or not.
The main reason i wanted to try it this way was to see if it could be a viable alternative to the Vesta because the it will be able to perform CC duties but with more firepower and a tougher hull.
Maxing DPS is all well and good but i have a lot of fun with that style of play and that's what counts.
Even if it isn't maxing out the DPS, it can still hold its own and smash through any of the current content with ease it seems. You really don't need monster DPS numbers, there's no endgame content that requires such performance.
You have no attack pattern. It's not a matter of choosing between dps and a grav well, the point is, with other ships like advanced escort or breen cruiser, you get both.;)
That's silly for an absolute statement. Putting sci in the uni will get you the best performance in maps like NWS and Fleet Alert. Combination of GW, TBR, ST, TSS, and HE, is better than any other Fed escort, better than Chel Gret too.
This!!!!!
It's nice being able to use GW + TS + csv + phaser bomb console. Some people just can't get out of their boxes.
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=nwscrusher_0
The aux2bat sci chainer master of no win scenario...
Muhahaha
Ya...Doffs would be 3 techs, gravity well after shocker, perhaps keel'el and a quatermaster battery doff or the brace for impact shield distribution doffs
Aux battery up and unless the hell
Cheers
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
Second this.
I've tried all three build styles with the fleet version + console. All worked well, although I though the a2b build lacked 'fun'. The sci boff in the uni slot is excellent for the reason listed above.
My current version is build for ...fun. It's not perfect, but I love what it does.
Fore Weapons:
2x DHC Elite Phasers
1x, Dual Elite Beam Phaser
1x Enhanced Bio-Photon
Adapted MACO Space Set (I have Elite shields, found this worked better for me)
Elite Fleet WCap core
Rear weapons:
Tempest Tail Gun (really starting to like this thing)
KCB
1x Elite Phaser Turret
1x Heavy BioPhaser Turret (Jury is out on this, but the barrage does make a difference up close and personal)
Consoles
Leech, Phaser point defense, and Nadion Pulse Saturation Bomb
Assim, Hydrodynamic compensator
4x Spire Vulnerability Console + 1x Counter-command console
Boff Stations (Tac captain)
TT, APB, TS3
TT, HY2, BO3, CSV3
EptS1, EptS2, A2B2
PH1, HE2
Duty Officers:
EW 30% chance to add 35% shield penetration bonus on all weapons with BO
PWO
Conn Officer
Tech + Damage Control Officer
Exocomp
I marvel at taking out a wave on NWS with a full BO3, TS3, and CSV3 alpha...
Be gentle with the comments
It also leaves you with 4 tac skills, 2 short of a pack. The grav well remains the same. What did you gain for lost dps from 2nd csv and 2nd beta? TSS? A repulsor pulse? What are you going to do with it? Scatter rats in Fleet Alert so they take longer to kill?:D
Aux battery has 2 minute cooldown. What are you going to do with grav well, or any of these other science skills with no aux power?
This is the core of what traditional grav well I dhc tac boat, such as Advanced Escort or Chal Gett's boff layout looks like. Fill in the blanks.
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=gravwelltac_0
Coupled with decent native aux power and grav well cd boff, it'll give you both high grav well uptime as well as csv/beta uptime to go with it.
That's a similar idea to what I'm aiming for, although I'm currently not using a2b. My aim is to be using the grav well for holding ships in one place, not actually killing them with it, so it still works with a lower aux level.
Out of interest your build shows 2 KCB's aft, but you can only slot one of these?
I found utilising the 2pc set bonuses from the nukara set and the counter command ordnance gives a big boost to phaser and torp damage. The new improved nukara set is actually pretty good now I find, the shield is essentially a MACO shield but it doesn't interfere with the leech console.
You missed the point. He's using a2b to double the tac skills, since you have to have the universal boff set to science to fit grav well. It doesn't work in practice due to aux battery having 2 min cooldown. No power for grav well.
This goes back to when we first started arguing builds
Have you ever tried a 1 auxillary (you never go this low in practice, usually 15+)gravity well before? It actually does hold and pull npc ships.
With the quatermaster doff, battery cd is now at
1 min cd
Sorry about the double kcb...getting ate and was an oversight
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
You ever do anything besides ISE? You need TBR+GW for NWS. You can do it with 1 ltc if you keep HE, but the extra ST is nice when you get enemies that subnuc, and TSS is great for buffing and healing the transport.
The 0 game in progress list and permanently empty queue tells you something about how often ppl runs NWS once they get the accolade. Which in turn says something about the usefulness of a build using skills that's only used in NWS. What it doesn't say is how running short of csv and attack pattern makes a fit good for NWS.