Feedback: Please reduce sexism in uniform choices

darthborehd · June 2014

While I applaud that many of the same options for male characters are also available for female characters, I would like to see this trend continue until both genders have comparable options across the board.

Examples:

Male characters cannot wear earrings.
Male characters have no skirt options. (I would at least like to see shorts and kilts. No, Risa swimwear doesn't count since you can only use it there.)
Male characters are missing the Feminine, Cute, and Seductive stances.
Female character open uniform options show more skin.

I'm sure other players have more examples. I personally like to roleplay that I have a diverse crew. Do other players feel the same way?

tk79 · June 2014

Not replying directly to the OP, but just mentioning that, in Risa, there is a male character in micro shorts that walk and stand around using the feminine animations.

virusdancer · June 2014

darthborehd wrote: »

I personally like to roleplay that I have a diverse crew. Do other players feel the same way?

I don't roleplay in the least. I log in, I do stuff, I log out. I just play a game. I also learned long ago basically to ignore what the vast majority of players are doing around me and what their characters look like if I ever find myself needing to go to a zone with other players.

That being said, while I don't support it out of any personal desire for it...I do support it as something that other folks may desire that won't adversely affect me in the least. If it's something that can make the game more enjoyable for them, they're more likely to stick around, and thus more likely to invest in some fashion with the game - then that would be good for them as well as what I'm doing. Just good for the game, no? So yeah, a twisted form of support if you will...but support all the same for something that could benefit the game, eh?

rinkster · June 2014

virusdancer wrote: »

I don't roleplay in the least. I log in, I do stuff, I log out. I just play a game. I also learned long ago basically to ignore what the vast majority of players are doing around me and what their characters look like if I ever find myself needing to go to a zone with other players.

That being said, while I don't support it out of any personal desire for it...I do support it as something that other folks may desire that won't adversely affect me in the least. If it's something that can make the game more enjoyable for them, they're more likely to stick around, and thus more likely to invest in some fashion with the game - then that would be good for them as well as what I'm doing. Just good for the game, no? So yeah, a twisted form of support if you will...but support all the same for something that could benefit the game, eh?

Nothing wrong with enlightened self interest.

OPs idea is signed by me as well.

Something Gene Roddenbury was absolutely committed to with Star Trek was to portray a society where many of todays prejudices and assumptions have been grown past.

The pilot had a female first officer, fantastically bold for its day and the network wouldnt wear it.

TOS had the first televised inter-racial kiss.

Had a russian bridge officer at the height of the cold war.

This sort of thing was why Star Trek was qualitively different to things like Lost in Space and the rest of its contemporaries.

I have to say, in things like ear-rings being female only among other issues, STO seems to have withdrawn somewhat from that broad minded stance, which is a pity.

artan42 · June 2014

darthborehd wrote: »

While I applaud that many of the same options for male characters are also available for female characters, I would like to see this trend continue until both genders have comparable options across the board.

Examples:
Male characters cannot wear earrings.

Male characters have no skirt options. (I would at least like to see shorts and kilts. No, Risa swimwear doesn't count since you can only use it there.)

Male characters are missing the Feminine, Cute, and Seductive stances.

Female character open uniform options show more skin.

I'm sure other players have more examples. I personally like to roleplay that I have a diverse crew. Do other players feel the same way?

Males don't get the option for more skin, females don't get the option for less.
Males don't get the rounded KDF shoulder pads or the Type 3 collar.
Female KDF don't get short boots.
Neither males nor females get the Skant.
Female Remans get three head options.
Females don't get a suit, they only get a dress.
Males don't get the TOS earpiece or the 7of9 bits.
Females don't get the Mirror TOS jacket.
Males get TRIBBLE longhair choices.
Female Saurians have TRIBBLE.

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rinkster · June 2014

valoreah wrote: »

Almost.... but not quite.

Oooh, how very interesting. I hadn't read as much of the story as that.

I rather liked how shatner sabotaged all the non-kiss shots.

azniadeet · June 2014

I would like the male TOS mirror uniform to be available for females. And before anyone says it's not canon, you may be right, but I would simply point out that the prime universe male TOS uniform is currently available for females- so it would be consistent to have the same standard for the mirror uniform.

seannewboy · June 2014

valoreah wrote: »

Almost.... but not quite.

Still according to the article the first interrecial ROMANTIC kiss.

crusaders4christ · June 2014

valoreah wrote: »

Almost.... but not quite.

Nice, I never knew about Sammy - but truth be told, Shatner had the first scripted one & a long one at that, especially on prime time television. So in truth it shook the foundation on interracial relations at a precarious time in American history.

What made the Trek one so impacting was that Martin Luther King encouraged actress Nichelle Nichols to carry on the fight during an era where racial bigotry was at its peak. The first scripted kiss was hard to swallow for most Americans during the 60's. Nichelle Nichols is a true hero.

darthborehd · June 2014

artan42 wrote: »

Males don't get the option for more skin, females don't get the option for less.

Males don't get the rounded KDF shoulder pads or the Type 3 collar.

Female KDF don't get short boots.

Neither males nor females get the Skant.

Female Remans get three head options.

Females don't get a suit, they only get a dress.

Males don't get the TOS earpiece or the 7of9 bits.

Females don't get the Mirror TOS jacket.

Males get TRIBBLE longhair choices.

Female Saurians have TRIBBLE.

I forgot about the female saurians because I usually play Federation and Romulan, but I found the TRIBBLE on the female Saurians strange as well. Aren't they reptiles and therefore have no need to nurse young? I know they are aliens and all so maybe they are used for something else, but it just struck me as out of place. I'm not sure if the developers just re-used an existing wirefram model for female klingons or that they felt the players would expect all alien females to have TRIBBLE.

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catoblepasbeta · June 2014

I have heard that there is no version of the Male TOS Romulan Uniform available for Female Romulans (no helmet, only the Romulan Commander's skirt uniform) It would be nice to be able to have Romulan crews wear the same uniforms as the rest of the crew.

I'd also like to see the skant at some point.

A lot of the Romulan clothes/uniforms seem designed to show off certain anatomical features, which seems a bit odd considering Romulans haven't really worn anything that could be defined as 'revealing' since that one TOS episode.

Seven of Nine implants should probably be available to non-females.

My two EC

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artan42 · June 2014

Reman Females don't get the Centurion helmet.
RR Females have one vest option (sleeveless and cleavage) Males have about 8.
Females cant wear the Jem'Hadar belt pouch from the Mk.XII costume unlock.
Male RR have the Tal'shiar chest piece, Females get the belt, this is weird.

sle1989 · June 2014

Having undershirts or no undershirts with open jackets should be a choice for both sexes
Belts and chest pieces should be on both sexes (I'm looking at you Tal Shiar!)

I just don't see skirt type options for males. It's not that they're being sexist, it's just that they will not sell, and if they don't sell, they won't make it.

bluegeek · June 2014

I have moved this feedback to the Art forum because the feedback most relates to the responsibilities of the Character Artists.

tehbubbaloo · June 2014

nobody has mentioned the most glaring omission of all:

males cannot wear makeup :mad:

jodarkrider · June 2014

Also, female uniforms - every single one of them hug the female form annoyingly so... would prefer the uniforms to be like actual uniforms, hidding some of the parts, if we so desire, esp with pieces like TNG movie uniform, Odyssey, etc...

It's sad, that I can currently match my idea for my character with a male model much better, since they did add smooth face texture (ie no stubble) to the male model, and with adding some hips, it is more believable figure than the current female model...

jexsamx · June 2014

If we're pushing for equality then I'd like to submit a request for the tiny shorts men get on Risa be added to women as well. If your guys get to wear dresses my girls get to go topless.

mattachine · June 2014

jexsamx wrote: »

If we're pushing for equality then I'd like to submit a request for the tiny shorts men get on Risa be added to women as well. If your guys get to wear dresses my girls get to go topless.

Sure. When men get equally many swimwear options as the females got.

hawkhawkins · June 2014

I agree to the whole OP post except the kilts. For the love of Q please no kilts.

turbomagnus · June 2014

Why not? Kilts actually have a certain basis in Star Trek considering that Scotty wore one as part of his dress uniform in TOS, if my memory serves me correctly.

futurepastnow · June 2014

tehbubbaloo wrote: »

nobody has mentioned the most glaring omission of all:

males cannot wear makeup :mad:

Also can't use the feminine or seductive stances- although they could back in Beta and there are seductive male NPCs on Risa now.

orangeitis · June 2014

futurepastnow wrote: »

Also can't use the feminine or seductive stances- although they could back in Beta and there are seductive male NPCs on Risa now.

I want less sexually segregated hairstyles. :mad:

Except for facial hair. And Orions in general. I think their males are naturally hairless. *shrug*

marc8219 · June 2014

Please don't reduce the sexism in uniform choices, its fine as it is now. Just because Star fleet is headquartered in San Francisco doesn't mean we want Starfleet looking like one of those San Francisco parades. :rolleyes:

leviathan99 · June 2014

Agree with all of this.

In many cases with costumes, I think it could be largely solved with additional costume packs.

For example:

Mirror Universe Pack 2: Includes Kirk's Tanktop vest for both genders, a Mirror Universe Male Tanktop, and a female First Officer uniform.

Enterprise Pack 2: Includes a T'Pol Outfit for men and a Mirror Enterprise outfit with ripped off sleeves and plunging neckline.

Icheb Costume Pack: Introduces the Icheb costume parts and implants for both genders and a male Seven of Nine inspired jumpsuit.

Open Jackets 2: Introduces Odyssey open jacket. Work done for this makes undershirts optional for both males and females on other jackets, allowing men to not wear them and allowing women to wear them.

In these cases, the balance adjustments I'm suggesting are not necessarily making things THE SAME but would be a compromise between gender essentialism and equality.

I also think male hairstyles are vastly lacking.

And if we can't have cute, feminine, and seductive for men...? Howabout at least "boyish" for "cute"(inspired by Charlie X -- shoulders slumped, arms out, legs shoulder width with gawky foot placement), "masculine" for "feminine" (inspired by Riker -- head tilted, neck slumped, eyes intense, right shoulder slumped, left foot forward, smirk that forms or maybe an Apollo inspired posture since Apollo almost had the feminine posture seen in game), and "precocious" for "seductive" (with Q/Trelane inspired gestures. Theatrical. Dainty jazz hands. One wrist bent at the side and the other pointing upwards doing a periodic tsk-tsk-tsk with tilted head that periodically shakes in disapproval. Maybe a stray wink and a smirk?).

mattachine · June 2014

marc8219 wrote: »

Please don't reduce the sexism in uniform choices, its fine as it is now. Just because Star fleet is headquartered in San Francisco doesn't mean we want Starfleet looking like one of those San Francisco parades. :rolleyes:

You could simply choose to ignore all signs of equality in the game and keep making your females wear skimpy clothing and cover up your males in the most butch outfit you can think of.

Just as I usually ignore people with values/opinions that feels like they are from the Victorian era. This is Star Trek and men and women are supposed to be equals. Even if they aren't that yet in this game.

artan42 · June 2014

marc8219 wrote: »

Please don't reduce the sexism in uniform choices, its fine as it is now. Just because Star fleet is headquartered in San Francisco doesn't mean we want Starfleet looking like one of those San Francisco parades. :rolleyes:

Have a tiny little look at the examples below...

Done that? Well, any of them pride material? No? Okay then :rolleyes:.

artan42 wrote: »

Males don't get the option for more skin, females don't get the option for less.

Males don't get the rounded KDF shoulder pads or the Type 3 collar.

Female KDF don't get short boots.

Neither males nor females get the Skant.

Female Remans get three head options.

Females don't get a suit, they only get a dress.

Males don't get the TOS earpiece or the 7of9 bits.

Females don't get the Mirror TOS jacket.

Males get TRIBBLE longhair choices.

Female Saurians have TRIBBLE.

artan42 wrote: »

Reman Females don't get the Centurion helmet.

RR Females have one vest option (sleeveless and cleavage) Males have about 8.

Females cant wear the Jem'Hadar belt pouch from the Mk.XII costume unlock.

Male RR have the Tal'shiar chest piece, Females get the belt, this is weird.

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