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xmoonbeamer
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Hello all.
I have a big in game graphics problem?
I had a pc full crash three days back which took me two days of head banging to sort out!
Now I got the system working again one day ago?
But even though I reset all my pc settings ok now,
I seem to have a in game only graphics display problem and also
were before the crash my pc fans run at a low rate when even in the game,
never had any warm air out of the pc?
Now they are always running 3 times faster too?
But only in the sto game?
Now I thought I better check if the graphics need a updated driver?
Well, they looked like it was helpful so I installed that just to be on the save side?
After they were in,
I found that the graphics in the sto game was very dark and
even after sorting out the in game settings for the graphics to
brighten up the view in game!
I still have the graphic problems?
Here is the problems:
> the graphic view in game freezes one each 4 to 5 mins?
> the graphic view also darken by half the light there at the same time as the freeze?
>plus my cooling pc main case fans all now run upto 3 times faster in game than before
the crash?
I end up when the in game view does these things at the same time,
I have to click the screen view with my left mouse button to get it back to the normal lit view?
Plus the graphics in the sto game seem to slow down and fight to flow smoothly?
Very odd as even the os and it's software were updated after the crash?
Here is the pc specs:
MICROSOFT WINDOWS 7 PROFESSIONAL ( SP1)
AMD FX-4130 QUAD CORE PROCESSOR ( 3.80GHz )
8Gb RAM ( DDR3 )
GRAPHICS CARD XFX AMD RADEON HD6670 HD ( 2Gb RAM ) GDDR3
( driver version: 08.00.0916 amds newest )
MOTHERBOARD GIGABYTE GA-78LMT USB MOBO
750 Watt PSU
Now remember before that crash it was running this game fine and the fans run low
not 3 times faster like now in game only?
Plus the pc case is big and well open inside as cables are flat or small and rounded
with 2 huge 120mm case fans blowing across the 3TB Hard Drive and another 120mm
fan sucks air out of the pc case right in the back facing the front fans
and
the graphics card has it's own 80mm fan and heatsink as does the cpu which
like the system is not even a year old now and before the crash run fine?
So why is it playing up in this game only?
I tried all settings in game to help it, But no it still does above what I said in the game?
If anyone can give me any help to sort out why the in game graphics are doing this now when they were fine before?
I be very thankful?
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But as for it running differently, I cant really tell without knowing more about why it crashed and how it was fixed. Is that something you could provide?
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This is an ongoing problem since Season 9 released. We are still waiting for some response from the Devs.
Best of luck...
also, was it acting the way it is before you patched the drivers? if so, try installing a slightly older driver, or even the beta drivers to see if the drivers are the problem.
Keep in mind that most manufacturers use standard chips (1600 for 1833, 1066 for 1333, etc) for their more value oriented lines and use cherry picked modules that will run at the higher clockspeed, especially for the first generation of higher speed RAM, which depending on the depth of their testing may or may not be 100% reliable. OCZ (now defunct) and Patriot are the biggest offenders, but even my 1833 G.Skill sticks are using 1600 chips. It's what you get for being an early adopter and/or budget RAM.
Try giving the RAM a bit more voltage or relax the timings/clockspeed and see if that helps.
As for the low memory you stated for this system, I am not sure what the "best size would be?"
Putting that aside for now!
You wished to know about what was running when the system crashed?
I tell you, It was STO.
As for how I managed to restore the system again?
I got on to my pc support whom I got the pc from?
They got me to run through the state of the system was in then and
what is was like before the crash happened?
They looked up the system specs on their lists for that brought pc and
then run through some restart up settings to try and save me from reinstalling
my pc from the start point?
Lucky for me with their help I got the pc into safe mode and then restarted the
pc after holding the "DELETE KEY" at restart of the pc this got my into the
advanced BIOS controls changing the setting of the sata 3 hard drive to
"ACTIVE IDE" setting in BIOS settings at the 1st HD control were you
change the settings for the cpu etc. or in this case the hard drive?
Then restart.
Then after awhile the windows 7 professional come back to life?
All my files were there to,no loss thankful.
Now I was told by the tech help to make sure I do a well noted
restore point and a rescue cd for this system as it was then?
I did so,
And I also have burned my files onto dl dvd just to be safe!
Now I must point out something here again?
The pc even though you told me the memory is low for this spec of pc?
It still worked fine before the crash on not only this game but many other
ones to all of which need high end graphics and good fps?
Unlike the others here I only had small graphic jumps when in STO.
Even when playing this new S9 version I never had any real problems
with the graphics on screen?
Plus as I said in the original post, My fans now run upto 3 times the speed they
did before the crash even though the air that comes out is not even warm?
That was the case way before the crash but also the fans run 3 times
slower then too?
Now all the system running files for this pc have be repaired using the windows 7
cd and the internet to the microsoft site?
even the graphics card drivers are now fully upto date too?
But even so, the graphics onscreen problems still happen?
Now yes after reading the other peoples posts on this problem
I see there are same things happening to their game as mine?
But not all are the same as mine?
Now that freezing and darking of the screen graphics now happens
even more often?
Now it can happen as fast as only 3 minutes into the game play?
And that with my toon just sitting still on the risa beach and the view
is of the toon and the chair and the sand background,
So no fast TRIBBLE graphics happing on screen to overload and pc.
I done what the other players done and fiddled with the ingame
graphic settings to lower them all to see if that helps?
But I just get rubbish graphic detail and still the problems I said.
But it is odd how before the crash no real problems then after it all that?
See what you think?
Thank you.
You claimed that your fans speed up quite a bit? I'm wondering if your not having a heating issue with your video card.
Another thing to check, just in case, is to make sure the cable from your monitor to the card is good and firm.
Without being there to really see it, All I can offer is very basic suggestions. But it sounds like Heat, or as the others mentioned, Memory. Heck a memory stick could even be loose, and that could cause major problems.
What is throwing me though, even with these suggestions, is that it is only STO.
Have you tried playing any thing else that may be graphic intensive?
Only other thing I could offer, would be to go into the graphic settings in game, and turn everything as low as it can go , and see if that works. If so, then slowly bring them back up to your normal configuration.
Hope this helps man, and good luck.
Actually its not, if people bothered to read other threads of other forums (specially the graphic bugs one) will realize that STO is screwed up after season 9. But nevermind, new players still need to know how things work around here ^^
As for the fans it could either be related to heat, or it could be the bios system controlling those fans needs some tweaking, that is assuming it is the MB that is actually controlling the fans.
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After season 9, its completely normal that the fans run at maximum power. Happens to me and a lot of people. Videocards are overheating, and the fans need to run at maximum power. And of course, this could lead to crashes due to overheating or a bad memory adress but not because the memory module is bad, just because the resources are not the same as before. This is happening only after season 9. And i can play any other game and the fans are ok, at 50% of their speed because the videocard is not taking excesive heat. But playing STO, my fans are at 100% and my videocard is overheating. Same as other players. Seriously, nobody read other forums but the academy and general discussion???? lol..
Not really, as I myself run a low budget computer, and do not experience these issues even on high settings.
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The problem isn't with the hardware, it's with the software, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if a system works fine with any other game but has major problems with this one, the fault doesn't lie with the system.
They've made changes with season 9 that are very hardware specific and many are suffering as a result, whether this is a bug or deliberate who can say, but the complete lack of developer response for the multitude of topics relating to this dilemma is telling.
No kidding, I run this game with only 3GB ddr2 ram on all high settings, and yes I do get the occasional hiccup from cpu, but otherwise this cheap budget computer deals with it quite well otherwise, so seeing someone with 8GB ddr3 ram is far more capable than what I got.
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this is good proof if it only spins up when playing a game then its the card trying to cool down. I know its not a software issue since you rolled back and restored your system and went through those hoops and the symptoms your are describing in game is that of GFX card failure you are lucky its not bad enough to keep from the system booting up but the symptoms match that of hardware failure the dark screen poor GFX quality even after changing the settings, the frame freezing. best thing to do is get a new card and short that instal a compatible spare card if you have one laying around and test it would also prove or disprove its the vid card.
but lets play safe and play devils advocate, if its software uninstall the game and re-install after clearing temp files as well. so no old setting linger if problem still persists then its defiantly hardware and is the card.
Because some systems are more sensitive than others. Crashes due to excesive heat are common, and a clear symptomp that your videocard is overheating is fans working at 100% when they shoudnt.
Games with a terrible optimized engine can produce this issues. And STO is one of em.
Or did you miss the part when is a known issue that the performance of the engine is even worst after season 9, and even high-end systems CANT run it a decent performance?? A high-end system trying to use 100% of the fans speed and taking the videocard so much heat playing STO is absurd. When STO should run perfectly fine in a system with 4 years in its back.
Just because a few of you dont experiment these problems, it doesnt mean they are real and they are already suffered by A LOT of players. And a lot of people stoped playing because of this. I almost did when i saw my videocard at 80c-85c playing STO, curious thing is, my videocard only reach 60c when i play ANY other game. And the other games i play are far newer than STO lol, most of em were released this very year...
But as all we know, things about computers are not as easy as they seem, honestly i dont know exactly what is the problem of the op. I dont know if hes talking about the videocard fans, for example. Or as someone said, if he is using a laptop, maybe he have the settings on power saving, but anyways that should not produce a crash. Not remotely.
I had redid my network here and installed enterprise manage router and managed switch. DC3 Cable Modem. Did the wiring on my own since I had also ditch CATV and just kept their internet. So now everything is quick on both ends. STO does have server loads issues in 8742 and Dyson Sphere where more than 15 players are in a battle with the planet killer.
Like the pipe is getting bottleneck. The cause to fix this issue would be a lot more on their end. So I guess the need to keep us waiting 20 hrs per huge volume players replays of events can re-leave some of the bottlenecks on the server end.
Just to many nodes (devices) trying to access the same data pool.
On your PC, just kinda have to keep it running 100%. Clean out the system caches, junk files, fix the registry, defrag HD, registry (one a month) an etc.. I do this on daily bases. I also run a free tool called JetBoost to disable services that are not needed for online gaming.
Not much else you can do until more patches and better back-end hardware is implemented on their end.
Time will only tell!
I hate to be that guy but that is not the case. DC3 Modem is only needed if you have speeds over 30 megs download I would say do it if you are 25 megs download or faster. If someone is on say a 20 megs download they only need a DC2 modem unless told otherwise by their isp.
This issue is several fold.. STO network does need to be optimized that is given. The 8Gb of ram is plenty. My old computer before the upgrade only has 2gb a 910e amd cpu and a cheap 5770 gpu and can run the game fine. Some of it is the hard drive if you are running a 5600 rpm drive you could have issues on that end though. Could be a poorly optimized system as that will play a big part..... Also there is the miner viri going around that will cause your gpu to work in overload..
Without having the pc in our homes that are having the issue all we can really do is give ideas as to what is the cause but i would say that it is a couple of them.
With a Decent laptop you can run this game with no problems at all.
In fact, i remember back in the days playing champions online with a laptop (lol i cant even remember what cpu it had) and a nvidia gtm9600 and i was playing almost at maximum settings. And i didnt spent more than 700-800 on it back in the days (im talking about the year 2008-2009). Champions online was already bad optimized, and still i managed to run it at almost max settings with a laptop as old as the very game (even a little older).
People keep forgetting STO should not require even a expensive computer to run at maximum settings. With a medium-end laptop you should be able to run it decently, maybe not at maximum settings, but close enough. The problem is, as we said millions of times, the game engine is terrible and the game performs really bad in most systems, and not even with a high-end computer it will asure you that you will not have fps issues. Its absurd, i know but it is the truth.
It doesnt matter what computer you have, you will always have fps issues playing in some specific zones, like everybody else. My computer is not even half powerful than yours but i can play at maximum settings at 50+ fps all the time. The problem is when you go to those zones, aka ESD, Risa, Undine and Voth battlezones, CE, tau dewa red alert, etc, then in those zones it doesnt matter what computer you have, almost most of the people are having problems there. What i did is to deactivate dynamic lighning, and that improved the fps lag, but still it is obvious that it doesnt matter what option you deactivate, it will alwasy be fps lag in specific zones. BUT again, this is not my main problem, my problem is, the overheating thing. That is what i am afraid off.
16x on anisotropic filtering is useless. And anisotropic filtering doesnt require high resources. The only things in STO that will drain your resources are:
THE UI
Dynamic Lightning option + shadow settings
Postprocessing option
Antialiasing option
These will cause a big change in the performance. Everything else.. you will almost notice nothing.
You very well could be right. I just now that a long time ago, when I was playing skyrim, I had problems with other games that required higher system specs than STO.
If so I do apologise if I led the OP down the wrong avenue. Still, Unlike skyrim, STO is not even close as boring. You know what my greatest accomplishment in Skyrim was? Making a human centipede out of guards Stretching from the north to the south.
Yes, I got that bored. Anyways, I still am concerned if we have even one player, who is unable to join us here.
Well, i never got to play skirim lol. I left it on Oblivion. But those games require far more resources than STO, and on the contrary, they perform far better.. ironically oblivion was never famous for being optimized, and still.. i dunno about skyrim, but anyways STO needs a critical improvement about this, or this will be critical in a few months..
Sounds like your more on top of things then I am. Still, I see a guy here, who just want's some advice, and like you, I am also passionate about the game I am in. (BTW Oblivion rocks). I just wanted to offer what advice I could from my very limited knowledge of specs for this game.
To be honest, last time I really got into STO, was back when we where given free Odyssey ships for doing that ole Test drive mission, so what, almost two years ago? I'm sure I missed a lot of the ole scuttlebutt.
All the same, thanks for keeping me honest, with my suggestions for the OP.
LOL, Hey, I may be old, but at least I'm not asking him, if his PC is plugged in.
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I guess you missed the beginning part of I RUN A LOW BUDGET COMPUTER, meaning there is some $400 rapped up into it including, the cost of the monitor, and a dedicated mid performance GPU, and yet it performs well running as you try to say, a labor intensive game for a high end rig.
My computer is nothing more than a cheap now 5yr old, off the walmart shelf rig in a new case for better cooling, and a galaxy NVidia GeForce GTX 560 1gb gpu, and a factory 2.5Ghz AMD dual core cpu, heck it even runs on a 32bit W7 OS, but guess what I still have almost no issue running this game on all high settings, using dx11 no less at 1600x900 at 60hz, and the highest my gpu gets running for hours with this game is in the 60*C range, no 100% fan speed coming from any fans either.
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Im not going to answer you again, not my fault if you cant even read 4 or 5 posts of this thread. Or not my fault if you are so blind that you are not even aware of this problem with STO. Im sure you didnt even bother to visit the graphical bug sections of the forums. Maybe you just dont understand what means "bad performance" or "bad optimized".
Computer games almost always have issues with bad optimization, if you don't like it go play a console game.
Bad performance is to be expected with that optimization issue, but the OP is most likely experiencing some possible user, and/or hardware related issues as well.
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We need to know why certain combinations of hardware aren't being adversely affected while other, sometimes more advanced, systems are getting messed up. Something in the changes in season 9 is making hardware calls that benefits some and is detrimental to others. The game went from running fine for virtually everyone to running weird for a hell of a lot of people over night with the release of season 9.
Now Overheating, resolution issues, brightness issues, loss of frame rate, loss of visual effects in high population areas, textures not loading properly over time, etc., are common complaints. There are volumes of posts by people talking about these problems all over the forums, but developer response is nowhere to be seen.
I'm not having a heat issue with my computer but I am noticing more frame rate problems as well as texture loading problems and I have noticed if I turn off the hud and my frame rate doubles, whatever is going on in that supposedly static overlay is taking up a hell of a lot more resources than it should for something so undetailed that just sits there. They did a number on the engine with whatever their "improvements" were, I keep hoping they will see the light and do a roll back.
It's like going to the tropics and seeing a family of 5 with big sacks of grain and bamboo all loaded onto a little motor scooter.
I thought they had a newer engine with Neverwinter if so it's not like they'd have to go shopping around.
This is driving people away, but I suspect loyalty to the player base is a low priority, as long as the money keeps rolling in, they don't care how long people stick around.