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darramouss1
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I've never seen the queues this dead. I'm getting bored waiting and I'm betting I'm not the only one.
How to fix this? Incentives. Currently, you get rewarded with a crappy little amount of EC and dilithium when you PvP.
Big freakin' deal.
What is needed to attract players are TRUE incentives. A participation package and a winners package. You need to play (and finish) to get the participation package. If you win you get the winners package as an additional bonus. The PvP missions would remain the same.
Possible examples. (P) = participation, (W) = winners. Common sense dictates that you all would have guessed, but common sense can be uncommon.
(P) - Rep mark package of 25 marks. (W) - 2 reputation items of your choice (Borg neural processor, Voth neural implant, etc.)
(P) - 100 GPL. (W) - 1 lobi.
(P) - 500 refined dilithium. (W) - 100 fleet credits.
The possibilities are limitless. Some may say that giving certain things like lobi could be bad. Considering that a match must be finished and matches usually go for at least 10 minutes, the lobi earned in an hour would be around 6. That would require a player to play 133.3 hours of PvP to earn a ship. I don't see that as unfair.
Anyone else agree with any or all of this idea?
How to fix this? Incentives. Currently, you get rewarded with a crappy little amount of EC and dilithium when you PvP.
Big freakin' deal.
What is needed to attract players are TRUE incentives. A participation package and a winners package. You need to play (and finish) to get the participation package. If you win you get the winners package as an additional bonus. The PvP missions would remain the same.
Possible examples. (P) = participation, (W) = winners. Common sense dictates that you all would have guessed, but common sense can be uncommon.
(P) - Rep mark package of 25 marks. (W) - 2 reputation items of your choice (Borg neural processor, Voth neural implant, etc.)
(P) - 100 GPL. (W) - 1 lobi.
(P) - 500 refined dilithium. (W) - 100 fleet credits.
The possibilities are limitless. Some may say that giving certain things like lobi could be bad. Considering that a match must be finished and matches usually go for at least 10 minutes, the lobi earned in an hour would be around 6. That would require a player to play 133.3 hours of PvP to earn a ship. I don't see that as unfair.
Anyone else agree with any or all of this idea?
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If you're not the only one waiting, then why are you waiting? :cool:
But yes, the few times I apply, I have to wait at least 5 minutes too
With solo or duo queues there is a limit to premades. Rewards would attract people to play and attract people to learn.
Its not the number that are waiting, its the total number of participants, including waiting and actives. There could be 3 matches underway already, which is 3x10=30. It would certainly be better if it showed number waiting vs playing, like in the PVE queues. Maybe one day
As for rewards...offer more rewards, more folks will afk for those rewards...has history shown us nothing with the countless games that have gone through that same problem?
You run into potential issues of folks being able to earn better rewards for losing one than winning the other unless you're careful...
But that's exactly the issue I was speaking about.
Joe Random: Hey, Random if we get three more folks and form a premade losing team we can get better rewards than if we queue alone and lose.
Random Joe: Sounds good me, let's get a few guys together.
Joe Random: Yep, don't forget not to equip any shields or armor consoles.
Random Joe: I won't...this will be great - we'll earn rewards in no time!
Could just be I'm jaded by the "Efficient" folks from so many games.
"Stop trying, the faster we lose the faster we get rewards!"
Even now, lol, it's causing my blood to boil...those folks used to drive me crazy - wanting to do all sorts of irrationally violent things over a silly game but wanting to do them all the same.
It is easy to chase away that mentality.
Good rewards for good score(not current: FAW will get you 15kills on current scoreboard although you didn't get one kill really)
Self Healing- no score
FAW, mine, chroniton, clickie spam that leads to no kill - -0.10 score each
Direct Kill - + 1 score
Assist - 0.25 score
Death - -1 score
Healed teammate for triple of his hull+shield capacity - +1 score
Subnuke, scan, sci debuff that directly lead to kill - + 0.2 each
etc.
It can be done, it is complicated, but it can be done.
Current system that counts self-heals as heals in general, and damage system that favors FAW spam for example is broken.
Or they can make a reputation that requires you to win one and kill(assist on kill) one guy for small daily project and win 1 game kill/heal 5 ppl for big daily project.
Even if they make it fair, there will be crying so if they ever make PvP reputation they need to make it alongside some PvE reputation, and make leader boards and stat based matchmaking.
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While I agree afk is a problem I'm hesitant to support rewards based on kills, since as healer, for example, I rarely even get more than one kill. I would say do it based on damage and healing. Like have a minimum of 100k combine and then scale it up to 1mil. Rarely have I seen even a pug stomp with people less than 100k numbers combined.
That being said, rewards are badly needed if pvp is to be made more appealing. I live pvping but there are plenty of time I can't do it as I need to grind and the rewards for pvp are so pathetic. However, if better rewards were available I would do it even more often. And many more people would try it.
Nothing is impossible to him who would try.... except getting cryptic to care about pvp.
Cryptic doesn't care about fixing the the game. They only care about giving people little shinies that preoccupy us until we start to get bored, then they give us the next shiny. This way we forget about all the flaws that bring this game down. That way they don't have to spend time on fixing the game, but rather making something that can be sold via lockbox.
They're not going to update/improve PvP as there's nothing in it for them. They'd only fix it if they could figure out a way to sell us the PvP experience that we've always wanted. They're mercenaries who don't allow player opinions to factor in to their money making equations.
I partially agree with this. But pvp is an arms race which leads people to buy shinnies which means more money. So if cryptic is smart they would try and get more people to pvp. Since better ships and better gear usually means more wins (obv there are other important things for pvp).
In the alternative maybe we should pick up our pitchforks and torches and pay cryptic a visit :P
Nothing is impossible to him who would try.... except getting cryptic to care about pvp.
read the proposal again. its not based on how many kills it shows a person has, its based on the team score. you just have to be on the team that wins to get the 30 payout. if the loseing team gets 14 kills, they get 28 marks. maybe a minimum should be set too, 15-0 blowouts would suck if the other team gets 0 marks. maybe a minimum of 10 for the losers each match
Apologies DDIS it seems I misunderstood your proposal. I actually really like this proposal as it would incentivize both side to try their hardest and, hopefully, discourage people who want to die fast for the rewards.
Aside from the marks however perhaps a modest boost to the dil earned and a major boost to the ec earn would also be warranted.
Nothing is impossible to him who would try.... except getting cryptic to care about pvp.
I guess the PvP content we got after 4 years wasnt as successful as people thought it would be
Indeed. Anytime I am on, it seems a lot more quiet overall. It's not dead silent by any stretch, but it is a great deal less talkative and such.
its not that they just aren't around in OPVP, its that they arent playing the game anymore at all. i see more and more people ive never encountered befor and dont subscribe to opvp in the ques though, i wouldn't read too much into it
I have no idea who most of the people in OPVP are these days, which is why I don't write something there so often. But I was practically gone for about 2 years...
This sounds pretty great.
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Cool idea, actually, I agree.
The only risk is people gamign the system and shooting each other to 15:14. But that's probably not something for the queues, and if the rewards are only given in the queues...