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Not sure how long this has been the case, But in addition to many of the Starfleet NPCs being updated to Oddy uniforms, there are 7 different Starfleet NPCs in full MACO gear as preset costumes
Just thought I'd give anyone who has MACOs in any of their missions a heads up that these assets are availible for use. I know I have played many older missions that have been forced to work around this.
I know I was disapointed when the new kit items weren't put in the editor tailor, But Its worth looking in the preset costumes, Theres a whole bunch of Oddy uniforms + kit item officers that should fit the bill
Also Thanks to whomever it was who added these to the list, I know it takes time to do that, and I appreciate it
Just thought I'd give anyone who has MACOs in any of their missions a heads up that these assets are availible for use. I know I have played many older missions that have been forced to work around this.
I know I was disapointed when the new kit items weren't put in the editor tailor, But Its worth looking in the preset costumes, Theres a whole bunch of Oddy uniforms + kit item officers that should fit the bill
Also Thanks to whomever it was who added these to the list, I know it takes time to do that, and I appreciate it
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I also Looked around for some Omega outfiited ones but none seemed to be there.
As far as I can guess, after replacing the Uniformed crew with Oddy versions, they wanted to replace the ones wearing the Armor visuals, and replaced them with MACOs instead of the old body armour visuals
Wait, straight up replaced? In existing missions too?
I ask because I used an officer in armour as the mission start popup costume (the one where you can't use custom outfits) for every mission I've replaced so far. He's been established, and he's not supposed to be a MACO.
There used to be a picture here, but they changed signatures and I can't be bothered to replace it.
Straight up replaced. If the contact was a generic Starfleet Captain they're a MACO now. The commanders and Lower are still Starfleet though. You could also make a unique model for this character now as we do have Plasti-Armors in the costume creator now.
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That is my understanding, Probably best to check any published missions for MACOs that might be out of place. Chances are you should be Okay, long as you didn't use any of the specific 7 costumes
But this definitely opens up some possibilities! Good find Adverbero!
He's a commander, so it should be okay.
It's nice that we have armour in the Foundry now, but I don't think it's added the ability to use a custom costume for the hail dialogue, which is why I was using a stock character in the first place.
There used to be a picture here, but they changed signatures and I can't be bothered to replace it.
I have a theory that up up until the player accepts the mission, he/she doesn't have a copy of it on their computer. Therefore the players client doesn't have access to any of your custom costumes until after the opening dialog. Just a theory.
EDIT: Ended up changing him to that female Vulcan researcher commander from Mem Alpha.
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Elaborate.
The NPC contacts are already used in people's missions. Now they've been suddenly changed to MACO dudes. Now we gotta go back and replace any captain NPC's in all of our missions (unless we don't care about the costume change which is fair enough)
If they wanted to add MACO npcs for us they should have been new costumes instead of replacing current ones.
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Negative, leave it as it is...
That is until such a time we get M.A.C.O. costumes in the character creator.
That these "replaced" existing NPCs already in use in missions is pretty strait up terrible IMO.
There should have been new assets created not some stealth (we weren't informed of this in any patch notes or anything were we?) replacing of assets that authors may already have in their missions.
If not found by the community, these "replacements" can look VERY out of place I imagine in some people's stories.
Yes, it's nice to have MACOs.
It's not at all nice that in order to give them to us, they replaced a bunch of other assets that are potentially in use in wwho knows how many missions , and never told us about the change.
I find this to be really poor communication on Cryptic's part.
Really, REALLY poor.
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The NPCs in question. Where do they come from? Well, these Captain NPCs come from the captain level combat mobs, which were just updated to look like this in the main game along with updating the other Starfleet NPCs to be wearing Oddy uniforms and kit parts. I planted some down in the Foundry, and the captain mobs that spawn are these ones with MACO gear.
Pretty sure they did not purposefully go out of their way to "give us MACOs." It is a byproduct of them updating the look of the NPCs game-wide.
Drogyn is right. These contacts are the NPC Captain Mobs. They're also the NPCs that spawn when you call for a Captain reinforcement in the Dyson Sphere Battlezone. I get the impression Cryptic wanted the "Captains" to be elite troopers when they spawn from now on. So switching them to MACOs is fine.
In addition, I get your feeling HippieJohn and Zorbane. But my response is, we have more Federation NPCs in the foundry than any other. Its what? 40-50 25th Century Fed NPCs and another 25-35 TOS-era NPCs? 7 being changed to a version we didn't have before is a minor change. To be honest, I never used those 7 NPCs because they looked rediculous before. The Vulcan for instance was wearing an Admiral's longcoat, covered in kit gear. I get it is an inconvience, but the whole uniform change was an inconvience. We have MACOs now. An entire division of the Federation we never had before. You can change those other costumes to any of the 40 some odd other Federation NPCs we had available.
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Cryptic has never promised that they wouldn't make changes that require us to alter our missions. In fact, it's a completely unrealistic expectation them to maintain that kind of consistency. The only way to achieve it would be to never make a single change to the Foundry (and a lot of STO) ever again.
Expecting visual things to not change is not so outlandish. Apparently there were other stealth changes such as plants showing up on the moon clearing map. Now if you were using the map and didn't want these plants sprouting out of your floor you're screwed.
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As we all know MMOs have to change and grow to stay competitive (whole other can of worms that), and Cryptic is going to alter their game to suit their needs and wants. Sometimes that will affect the Foundry, sometimes it won't. It isn't the first time this has happened and it is by far not the worst of these we've seen. At one point several years ago the Romulan captain mob spawned this ridiculously powerful warbird. It happened in game, and it happened in the Foundry and I got 1-starred for it.
For me this is an overall positive change. The affect to my existing missions will be minor and easily remedied, and in one situation actually makes it better. I had the Caitian captain mob guarding a prisoner. He looked cool and I figured no one would bother looking at his rank. Now he's a MACO and it's even cooler.
It is not the ideal way we could have gotten MACOs, which would either be new NPC contacts or the costume options put in the creator. But we don't often get ideal, do we?
Because they're Cryptic's NPCs which they have shared with us. We're using official NPCs which appear in the main game. We don't ultimately own them. We borrowed them.
These changes represent the overall changing face of the game, just like when the update an enemy group. Unlike a single player game modding tool the Foundry is an interconnected, living part of a living, constantly-changing MMO.
Cryptic has never promised us consistency.
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Glad to see the MACO uniform is available, at least, even if players can't use those colors (black) at all with the player character versions, or the uniforms themselves at all with the Foundry costume editor.