Value of the newly buffed Nukara, Romulan and Reman space sets for pvp builds.

dave18193 · May 2014

Hi all, I was wondering what the consensus was on the freshly buffed other rep sets, especially the Nukara and Reman sets.

Specifically, I was wondering if they were now more in line with the Borg (which has been nerfed a little I heard) and other Omega sets. I know they were woefully inferior before, but was hoping they were equal to the others now.

Besides, I just came into a load of marks and dil (saved my T5 rep rewards and mirror universe rewards for the dil bonus weekend) and was hoping to equip my pretty bare rom alt for pvp.

Concerned mostly with pvp. Pve is easy enough to be done with blue stock gear.

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warmaker001b · May 2014

deokkent wrote: »

One of the deflector from the romulan reputation is pretty good for stealth detection.

The nukara set is pretty good for a specialized tetryon build, and the shield proc can ruin a vaper's day.

Romulan Deflector has the same +2% stealth detection the Jem'Hadar Deflector does. Reman version doesn't.

dave18193 · May 2014

So you wouldnt say it won on par with Borg, Omega, Maco or KHG for pvp then? Outside of tiny niches.

Such a shame. The visuals are so nice, and was hoping to finally use something other than 2 pc Borg or 2 pc OMEGA. That and I hoped that buffs to Nukara would make tetryon more in line with disruptor.

Thanks anyway chaps/chapettes.

shadowwraith77 · May 2014

Still meh as far as being on par, they are niche sets and items, but still not nearly as great as Omega, and the newer stuff.

sharxtreme · May 2014

Romulan set is best used on cloaked romulan tactical/sci ships that run HY torps and disables. Vaper hunter setup, basically. T'varo comes in mind for optimal usage, although i use it on my scim paired with EPTA for some games.

Reman is pure defensive set.

ridddickxxx · May 2014

Well if you are planning to take undine deflector and sacrificing borg hull heal, nothing wrong with romulan engine with elite fleet shields...

And disruptors got nice boost to dps, we shall se how many players will take disruptors in pvp, reman shields also have resist to disruptors, meh, but still fleet shields are better overall
(well we already have large number of escorts with disruptor build)

chlamidiot · May 2014

The old Reman/Romulan 3 piece, Covariant Capacitance Cell, was attached to just the shield. This is a fairly crappy design which I've ranted about before. It got a change in S7 to go from only giving empty capacity to giving actual temporary shield points. It never justified running 3 pieces, but as a feature on a shield which also gets 20% resist, maybe it's up for consideration.

One "balancing" part is that when the stacks expire losing the shield points is just like taking damage, including taking a facing offline. But now, with the Valdore console, this isn't a downside because all I need to do is keep applying my face to the spacebar. In fact, a key part of the braindamaged defense of the Valdore console was that it "overhealed" or was "wasted healing." Well, now we've got two crappy design elements complimenting each other! Progress!

With 9 sustainable stacks, because the 10th drops off instead of refreshing, you are looking at 45% added capacity. Clearly that's a win over any other shield if you manage to utilize the capacity and match the flavor of the 20% resist against either Phaser or Disruptor. Whether that much capacity would make it valuable against other flavors, I know there's a spreadsheet for that. I'm sure if you maintained a certain level of all energy resist there's a theoretical point where capacity would give you more functional shield points than ResA/B. I don't know if that theoretical point can be reached, but I can say that just reaching 9 stacks requires a bit of focus fire. I've never been able to get a full 9 outside of PvP, no matter how many NPC's I've pulled.

So, you need something that can survive focus fire to build stacks, but also does enough damage to leverage the Valdore console into covering the stacks' expiration (and of course to warrant being focused in the first place). Where is this shield maybe OP? I'd guess in a 1v1 where you match the 20% to your opponent's weapons.

blessedladyboy · May 2014

Yeah I'm having good results with the reman shield on my scimi. Works good with valdore and pretty much guarantees my shields are up on cloaking cycles with secondary shielding.

dabaddaba · May 2014

Seems to me that by the time you actually reach the 9 stacks you will probably be at 1% hull anyway due to the bleedthrough.

senatorvreenak · May 2014

The Romulan Shield and 3-piece set bonus is still in dire need of improvement.

For starters having 20% phaser resist is just a complete and utter joke, I mean who else in the game other than feds even user Phaser weapons???.
Next the little extra shield hitpoints you get with that in my is inconsequential.
Damage Resistance > Hitpoints

The 3-piece set bonus is pretty crappy too, as its essentially a glorified aux dependant Emergency Power to Shields that only lasts for 15 seconds and has a 3 minute cooldown.

At this time there is absolutely no reason to use any more than the Deflector and Engines and a shield like Elite Fleet or Honor Guard, for any kind of build period.

Maybe if they...
Granted 15-20% resist to all energy weapons, putting it on par with other Mk XII shields.
Increased the shield HP bonus to +10% instead of a mere +5%.
Extended the duration of the 3-piece set bonus and reduced the cooldown.

warmaker001b · May 2014

I would not use the Romulan or Reman shields for anything. PVE or PVP. I can see use of the Deflectors and Engines for certain builds, but those shields will get you killed.

shadowwraith77 · May 2014

dabaddaba wrote: »

Seems to me that by the time you actually reach the 9 stacks you will probably be at 1% hull anyway due to the bleedthrough.

Exactly the shield has a puny 10% chance to even stack more shield hp, and by the time you do reach the full 10 stacks you shields were gone long ago, and so was your hull.

I use the valdore console, and even with the bugged console, it couldn't replenish the shields fast enough during a heated battle.

The 3pc. clickie causes a shared cd with tachyon beam, when using the dyson secondary deflector, and the amount of shield healing received by the ability is weak even on a high FC drain ship, and not to mention the 3min cd.

The only good thing about the clickie is the shield DR.

caldannach · May 2014

The Nukara set is great if you spec tetryon for then the damage is boosted greatly on the 3 piece click, and as well as the rep click trait. Now they made the shield better and gave a damage boost for the 2 piece, its slightly more fun.

I use it on my fleet Dhelan.

Value of the newly buffed Nukara, Romulan and Reman space sets for pvp builds.

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