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hasukurobi
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I have wanted Three Dimensional space travel since the very first moment playing STO. I know I am not the only one who feels this way as well...
However, it would not be such an issue if there was nothing off the plane you were on that needed to be dealt with in missions. That would make sense... If you are going to treat this game as if it is more or less two dimensional then it follows that you should keep everything on one plane and stop making me do the death spiral up and down just to reach things.
There are already missions that fail hard at this particular issue that force you to go up and down when the game is HORRIBLE for doing that thanks to being STUCK at an angle.
Now there is a new violator. Now there is Viscous Cycle where you have to fly up to the stacks and down to the maw. Not only is this a pain in the rear to begin with but it is even more troubling when Fluidic Space is moving you all around and there are those danged Gravity Wells and Goo all over your ship. Then you need to ... Aim DOWN to shoot the Planet Killers inside the maw (with cannons at least). Fun thing to try and do considering that you CAN'T aim DOWN. You have to mess around to wedge yourself in at a proper angle which is a major headache.
Seriously... Either give us 3D movement or KEEP IT ON ONE PLANE! I mean I do not care if scenery goes above or below but anything I MUST interact with should NEVER be on anything but the same plane as me. It is just an added layer of frustration for nothing and makes it feel as if you cannot decide rather you want your game to be a real space simulator or a 2D sea going vessel simulator.
I also love the fact that we now have a rail shooter part of a mission. You are locked completely down to one line. At least in that case everything is kept right were it should be, directly infront of you. So I guess kudos for that at least. Honestly though that part would look awesome if you could do a real barrel roll while firing. Sort of have the Aquarius in the middle and do a spiraling loop around it firing your guns at everything in sight. That would be epic.
However, it would not be such an issue if there was nothing off the plane you were on that needed to be dealt with in missions. That would make sense... If you are going to treat this game as if it is more or less two dimensional then it follows that you should keep everything on one plane and stop making me do the death spiral up and down just to reach things.
There are already missions that fail hard at this particular issue that force you to go up and down when the game is HORRIBLE for doing that thanks to being STUCK at an angle.
Now there is a new violator. Now there is Viscous Cycle where you have to fly up to the stacks and down to the maw. Not only is this a pain in the rear to begin with but it is even more troubling when Fluidic Space is moving you all around and there are those danged Gravity Wells and Goo all over your ship. Then you need to ... Aim DOWN to shoot the Planet Killers inside the maw (with cannons at least). Fun thing to try and do considering that you CAN'T aim DOWN. You have to mess around to wedge yourself in at a proper angle which is a major headache.
Seriously... Either give us 3D movement or KEEP IT ON ONE PLANE! I mean I do not care if scenery goes above or below but anything I MUST interact with should NEVER be on anything but the same plane as me. It is just an added layer of frustration for nothing and makes it feel as if you cannot decide rather you want your game to be a real space simulator or a 2D sea going vessel simulator.
I also love the fact that we now have a rail shooter part of a mission. You are locked completely down to one line. At least in that case everything is kept right were it should be, directly infront of you. So I guess kudos for that at least. Honestly though that part would look awesome if you could do a real barrel roll while firing. Sort of have the Aquarius in the middle and do a spiraling loop around it firing your guns at everything in sight. That would be epic.
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If you can't make a 3D game because of limits in the Engine, then don't make enemies that need a 3D game to shoot.
The positioning of the towers and the maw, added to the undine goo Grav wells basically lock you out of using cannon-equipped ships. Even in beam boats, just today I got goo welled over a tower in perfect position to block my line of sight on the maw. Then when the goo dispersed, splat! Another one.
Basically my best bet was to park myself over the maw and FAW everything to draw aggro, hoping a teammate could beam over commandos in the few moments they aren't held stationary.
I would seriously rather be one of the commandos, because the space play is frustrating and boring.
This topic has been around since Beta. FWIW, it's nothing to do with 'limits in the Engine' -- just limits imposed by the devs' design philosophy.
I don't understand what "philosophy" would lead to limiting the game in such a way. Someone once said around here that the limit was to prevent disorienting players. I don't understand this either. I watched a documentary many years ago that, based on testing, the vast majority of people can learn an intuitive sense of 3D spatial awareness in a very short time(i.e. 30 minutes). I have also played a ton of games that were full 3d movement and experienced no issues with getting "lost". Anyone ever play "Elite"?(yes, I'm old)
So, I as many, have to ask the question, why is vertical movement limited?
@OP I have never tried viscous cycle because of the reasons you stated it is frustrating and agree with the statement "either single plane interactions or full 3D movement"
Isn't there a large percentage of the worlds population that will never experience motion sickness?
There is no reason to NOT create a real, full 3D game for STO.
The only thing u can obtain, is that it will result a lot more immersive ... more space-like.
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The way it is now, it's very tedious and annoying due to our limited movement (especially for the slower larger ships) and it's not the making of a good, fun and enjoyable gameplay.
Ok, so i must be superman. I dont have any problem at all trying to move my ship down and to aim under my knees. Thats part of the game and part of a 3d space fighting game. You guys need to live with it , seriously. Maybe you guys want a special weapon placed in the belly of your ship??? to shot directly down? or something like that? lol.
The only problem of VC is the lag. Thats it. The fuk1 lag when there are 20+ players in the screen plus all the undine and voth ships. If i dont have lag, i dont have any problem at all on maneouvering and shoting where i want to. But the problem is, the engine is so cheap that it will not handle more than 20-30 ships at the same time with all those bubles around (the bubbles seem to consume a lot of GPU processing looooooool).
No, it is bad game design. Arbitrarily limit up and down movement, then require up and down movement to complete objectives?
...and no, we don't need to live with it. We can just choose not to play it. Judging by the queue numbers, there are a lot of people choosing to not play it.
Champions Online allows you to fly straight up, down, and every other angle in-between.
So the engine allows it. Cryptic does not (because confusion?).
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I have also noticed sometimes when there is say a three enemy and a single enemy on the same map you go say after the three enemy and once you have delt with them the solo enemy is nowhere in site, probably hiding in a corner or something.
bugs aye we would miss them if they all went away.
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Food for thought: Doesn't Champions Online use the same engine? I remember reading that somewhere. And doesn't CO have unrestricted vertical movement?
Because the show doesn't use full 3D either. They want it to look like the show. I still think we should have a steeper angle.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
It is not an engine issue from what I understand.
I hear you brotha. It seems enemies just get more annoying and obnoxious... First there is the Tholians with their webs (which is understandable because that is what they do) and their super subsystem shutdown ability. Then here comes the Voth who have super shielding, decoy ships, gravity wells, subspace snares, and little ships that come and bring them back to life. Those seemed like the most annoying yet but they were kind of different so I begrudgingly gave them a little pass... Then come the new Undine who pop in and out all over the place making it so you NEED to be able to spin around on a dime a LOT but they hit you RELENTLESSLY with goo that slows you down and goo blobs that hold you tight for minutes on end in ways not even the best Gravity Well could EVER hope to. If that was not fun enough they also knock you around with their normal fire and have really big explosions for their torps (which do not even hurt all that much) just to add more clutter to the already clogged screen. Easily they have become the most frustrating and annoying enemy yet. Not the hardest, not the smartest, not the most strategically difficult, just the most annoying.
Well good for you... Try it in something slower than a Bug Ship and we will see. A real 3D space fighting game would let you fly in 3 Dimensions like you could in... Space. Also I do not want weapons that fire down like that. I already have those but they are not the right weapons for every ship and I do not see a good reason to widen the firing cone on all weapons... Except that anyone who was smart would make all space weapons Turrets if they could. I would even be totally fine with the ability to just ascend and descend with keys. That is: Not aim my nose up and down but literally move my ship straight up and down as if on an elevator.
Usually but there have been numerous occasions where even the show DID have real 3D movement.
Also another annoyance with this mission: Heavy Torps do not seem to be able to each any part of the exposed Planet Killer to detonate on it. That seems to be a problem with a lot of large targets that should be addressed.