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A Theory: Q, Humanity, and the Iconians
outlaw51825
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Warning. This post is going to be LONG There will be no TLDR. So grab some stuff to eat and drink you're gonna be here awhile.
The only history that goes back any real length of time that we know of at this point WAS Vulcan and that got wiped out by the events of the first Star Trek movie. Why is this significant?
Vulcan i believe with the events of the book 'The Lost Years' (a HUGE bridge between the ST original series and movies) Were one of the Key Players in the battle with the Iconians. Their mind powers were originally external. They were what i refer to as Psychokineticists. In a bare bones sense: Essentially Take Ness From Earthbound and give him pointed ears. Its a lot more complicated than that but you at least get the general idea. Now In Vulcan's past, they warred a lot on their home world but even at the time of Surok they had significant space travel capabilities. (This is about when earth has its ICE AGE if the times are close. Someone tell me if they arent)
I'm gonna come back to this but i had to set up a stage here.
Recorded earth history goes back to after our latest ice age. Ten thousand years ago. Back beyond that we have theory upon theory upon theory. No proof though.
But given humanity's actual length of time on earth. All of those theories are possible. But the evidence was devoured by time. Enter, Q. First Contact known was with Humans through the Q Being named Trelaine. (ST Original canon confirmed by EU and STO later.) Second known contact was Enterprise-D in encounter to far point. They've always appeared mainly human. Though capable of changing their form and essentially being beings of raw but refined energy.
Q powers were transferred to Humans or Beings that shared a significant genetic sequence with them no one else that we know of. (Most famous of which being Deanna Troi's mother in one of the most hillarious ST:TNG novels ever written.)
Now to take note in the first encounter. Q references HUMANS directly and he doesn't back down on it either. He isn't referencing the federation, he isn't referencing other races. Hell he makes fun of Worf on a couple of occasions and considers Data at best an oddity. No its been HUMANITY that's his fascination. Why?
Q is human. Q is two to three stages past Homo Superior on the evolutionary chain and was one of Pre 10k BC earth's inhabitants. Humanity was a superpower in the time of the Iconian war, and as the Iconians grew in strength (As exhibited in the FE.) Humanity pushed further and further to CREATE beings capable of dealing with them head to head.
But as to all weapons there comes a line one may not wish to cross. As they pushed the boundaries of science and genetic evolution when the war was over humanity was uncertain of what to do as the other races settled into their own problems. (Vulcan's civil war being one of the real big ones.) Transcendence was inevitable for most Humans but a few stayed normal choosing for evolution to take its natural course. The Q Continuum and its rules were established and the Evolved Humans Left earth. Time took care of all the rest. Because of their nature The Q race could live hundreds of thousands of years by time travel. Temporal acceleration becoming a factor they choose to remain for the most part out of the Affairs of Mortals i say for the most part because of the events that take place as part of ST Canon.
The only ones who know of this would be The Iconians and the Q race. And even among the Q there is the potential for it to be forgotten. It would NOT be by the Iconians. Our actions made them move forward with triggering a systemic assault that United the Alpha and Beta Quadrants for the first time in ST HISTORY. But WHY was that tactic even considered?
Because the Iconians remember who drove them into the void. Without knowing the deep histories of the other current level races. The two most likely active at that time were and are The Vulcans and Humanity. The Vulcans with the destruction of their world and history being changed are nowhere near the threat they were back then. It will take decades if not CENTURIES to re-awaken their Psychokinetic powers. Assuming they knew they even EXISTED. (which is unlikely at best) Humans however are creative little TRIBBLE. Short lived and with a brain that's highly adaptable since they've retaken to the stars have surmounted challenge after challenge The Borg have not stopped them, galactic wars have not stopped them. Humanity has THRIVED. They're approaching technological levels that worry the iconians. If there is a threat to the Iconians retaking power across the galaxy and potentially beyond. It lies within the creative spark humans have.
Feel Free to Discuss.
There is a TLDR after all: Q are infact humans who lived during the Iconian war pre 10k BC.
The only history that goes back any real length of time that we know of at this point WAS Vulcan and that got wiped out by the events of the first Star Trek movie. Why is this significant?
Vulcan i believe with the events of the book 'The Lost Years' (a HUGE bridge between the ST original series and movies) Were one of the Key Players in the battle with the Iconians. Their mind powers were originally external. They were what i refer to as Psychokineticists. In a bare bones sense: Essentially Take Ness From Earthbound and give him pointed ears. Its a lot more complicated than that but you at least get the general idea. Now In Vulcan's past, they warred a lot on their home world but even at the time of Surok they had significant space travel capabilities. (This is about when earth has its ICE AGE if the times are close. Someone tell me if they arent)
I'm gonna come back to this but i had to set up a stage here.
Recorded earth history goes back to after our latest ice age. Ten thousand years ago. Back beyond that we have theory upon theory upon theory. No proof though.
But given humanity's actual length of time on earth. All of those theories are possible. But the evidence was devoured by time. Enter, Q. First Contact known was with Humans through the Q Being named Trelaine. (ST Original canon confirmed by EU and STO later.) Second known contact was Enterprise-D in encounter to far point. They've always appeared mainly human. Though capable of changing their form and essentially being beings of raw but refined energy.
Q powers were transferred to Humans or Beings that shared a significant genetic sequence with them no one else that we know of. (Most famous of which being Deanna Troi's mother in one of the most hillarious ST:TNG novels ever written.)
Now to take note in the first encounter. Q references HUMANS directly and he doesn't back down on it either. He isn't referencing the federation, he isn't referencing other races. Hell he makes fun of Worf on a couple of occasions and considers Data at best an oddity. No its been HUMANITY that's his fascination. Why?
Q is human. Q is two to three stages past Homo Superior on the evolutionary chain and was one of Pre 10k BC earth's inhabitants. Humanity was a superpower in the time of the Iconian war, and as the Iconians grew in strength (As exhibited in the FE.) Humanity pushed further and further to CREATE beings capable of dealing with them head to head.
But as to all weapons there comes a line one may not wish to cross. As they pushed the boundaries of science and genetic evolution when the war was over humanity was uncertain of what to do as the other races settled into their own problems. (Vulcan's civil war being one of the real big ones.) Transcendence was inevitable for most Humans but a few stayed normal choosing for evolution to take its natural course. The Q Continuum and its rules were established and the Evolved Humans Left earth. Time took care of all the rest. Because of their nature The Q race could live hundreds of thousands of years by time travel. Temporal acceleration becoming a factor they choose to remain for the most part out of the Affairs of Mortals i say for the most part because of the events that take place as part of ST Canon.
The only ones who know of this would be The Iconians and the Q race. And even among the Q there is the potential for it to be forgotten. It would NOT be by the Iconians. Our actions made them move forward with triggering a systemic assault that United the Alpha and Beta Quadrants for the first time in ST HISTORY. But WHY was that tactic even considered?
Because the Iconians remember who drove them into the void. Without knowing the deep histories of the other current level races. The two most likely active at that time were and are The Vulcans and Humanity. The Vulcans with the destruction of their world and history being changed are nowhere near the threat they were back then. It will take decades if not CENTURIES to re-awaken their Psychokinetic powers. Assuming they knew they even EXISTED. (which is unlikely at best) Humans however are creative little TRIBBLE. Short lived and with a brain that's highly adaptable since they've retaken to the stars have surmounted challenge after challenge The Borg have not stopped them, galactic wars have not stopped them. Humanity has THRIVED. They're approaching technological levels that worry the iconians. If there is a threat to the Iconians retaking power across the galaxy and potentially beyond. It lies within the creative spark humans have.
Feel Free to Discuss.
There is a TLDR after all: Q are infact humans who lived during the Iconian war pre 10k BC.
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The Q are eons old so they were around long before the Iconians. I prefer to think of the Q like the Vorlons as something humanity can eventually become like after millions of years of evolution.
Could roll with that.
But i don't go with the theory of De-evolution. That doesn't make any sense to me. I prefer the Forced Ascension angle in which not everyone goes up. And when earth suffers its ice age everything is just flat lost.
And Temporal mechanics deal with the timeframe imo as they just start living anywhere they want temporally.
Regardless its just a theory
What....?
That was an alternate universe, not the one STO is set in. It was romulus that was destroyed here.
While I could see the Q being humans, I'd probably see them as a parallel evolved species from some other world, Sargon's people maybe from the original series.
The word "devolve" is a nonsensical misnomer. "Evolution" merely means "change over time", so "de-evolution" would essentially mean "no change over time". In the context it's being used, the proper term is "regress".
[/kinda off-topic OCD semantics note]
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