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danpapua
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This PVE is honestly a little to time consuming me and my fleet mates spent 1 hour and did not beat it. We could destroy the undine easily just the undine re spawned to quickly to keep up with. If that wasn't bad enough you had to think about the asteroids running though the lane. 95% of my deaths were the asteroids hitting me. BTW we were playing the mission on elite.
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Btw, Cryptic, is the rifts almost exclusively spamming cruisers intended?
We got about 3 errant rifts, and won and we got 25 marks. And it took us half an hour..
Literally the whole team was dying non-stop.
I know theres an intro but what you are meant to do is simply not explained well enough.
Do you just shoot bad guys until you kill a set amount?
I gathered (i think) that a one of the friendly npcs has to scan the rift? And then you need to close it somehow. We only got one closed by shooting it i think, can't be sure as there was so much spam on screen i had no idea who was shooting what.
Plus the "asteroids" or whatever seem to randomly come at you and kill you and there's some sort of undine grav well that is nigh on impossible to escape even with evasive manouvers.
Also noticed that the heavy bio-torps the npcs shoot seem to follow you across the whole map and will track you down to hit you even when you've been out of the fight for a minute or so.
May it was just because its new but i never felt so confused and useless in any other fleet action or STFs and i'm certain the rest of the team felt the same.
No idea how to make the command vessel scan a rift.
I think we needed an hour at least (although 2 left quiet early), and the reward were GORGEOUS 30 marks. No Dillithium.
It's long and it's tedious, but first things first, unless you're a ubah tanking/dpsing beast don't go any where by your self. Group up and push a lane together all the way to the end then do the next and the next. Npc ship has to be able to get close enough to scan rift, once it is targetable every one should melt it down then push to the end and do it all over again. A support boat dishing out heals helps a bit I've found as well.
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I should add I've only flown in support heavy boats and have not tried cruisers or escorts yet, and some one always jumps ship and leaves at the start.
Over all though reward to time investment is not really worth it, the battle zone is a far better grind, so I'm putting this one for my Fleet's weekly STF run.
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I wonder if it is even worth it to shoot down the enemy ships as they just respawn. Might be better off just keeping yourself and the command ship alive with extends and what not.
I might give it another go with a pure healbot, er healboat and see if that works. Cause otherwise it is just annoying.
The most important reason to not play this content is rewards. While the marks are plenty, a player compares this content to STFs. In STFs there are more marks, a BNP, and dilithium. None of this in the event I have played so far.
Look at Mine Trap. It is one of the best looking and well done missions since the reputation system was made. Problem is there is no reward that makes queuing up for this mission worth it. If players had a chance at 150 rom marks and a potential for 3k dilithium for a perfect match, more people would play.
This current content is only going to be played by me until my reputation is leveled then never again unless something changes.
In a PuG, at least need dps/tank build just in case your group mates are not up to the task especially if some of those groupmates just leave the team.
All in all it is a good new content. Gives us a variety of missions wherein not all missions are easy and fast.
On the plus side though, its a reasonably good mission for tank ships in particular, so I'll give them credit for doing something different.
Many people have raised good points in here. For me, the killer is tediousness and the feeling that it amounts to an exercise in futility because the reward at the end don't match the effort... and it's not even fun.
At first, I was kind of holding back since I thought it was just my builds that weren't up to the challenge (even though I've excellent gear and powers at my disposal). Drains don't seem to phase Undine ships much, gravity wells barely slows them down, and they just sawrm/zerg around you in such numbers that any organization players may attempt just breaks down.
In PUGs, it seems non-survivable, and it's rather unpleasant for a science ship's sense of usefulness. As for my Ar'kif antiproton cannon build... it feels like its been declawed. I haven't tried my Fed's A2B BFAW Fleet Avenger, though it's the one I expect to fare the best.
1 i know it is players still don't get mission like work as group instead of lane you start at
2 getting stuck at spawn point
3 toooooooooooooooo many cruisers keep comming out
4 players leaving
5 25 marks for an hour realy? i am confused here
it needs a big nerf still tooooooooooooooooooo impossible to complete :mad::mad::mad::mad:
on a tacical just to servay i have try whit the 2 set borg bonus but the hull heal is nerft and i hat the dyson shild and warpcore for the shild bonus i have whit him about 10.000 shild and i still fall like noting on solo lines and most of my boff was whit healing shild and hull. this gravity well on the uding need to be nerft big time do not make it like to have a pull efect just crate Fluid space and sci ship can close thos rift. and for the dmg and hp on the Undine neet to be nearf a bit to.
25 marks.
That is broken.
It's a nice mission, but for the time and effort, I need 3000 dil and 300 marks
to decide to play it. This is a shame because it is a neat and different sort of challenge.
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When you see that you in a relatively fragile mirror dhelan are the only one who doesn't die every other minute or doesn't have a list of injuries reaching across the screen then you KNOW you're better off taking a leaver penalty.
I have been in a situation with 3-4 incompetents or leeches for roughly 80% of the 15 undine assaults (elite) i have played.
BFAW idiots, no science or kinetic damage. People need to test at normal before they f*** things up for others in elite.
It's performance based. With an adept team you can finish it in 20-25 minutes and haul in 55-60 marks (not counting the 1-time daily bonus).
With a team of incompetents and leechers you ca spend and hour in there and still not finish.
I got 30 in elite and 25 in normal. In normal I completed a lot of optional rifts otherwise I guess it would have been 10 or 15?
I think on elite we didn't do any optionals. But it took maybe only 1/2 hour. But for 30 marks. That's just wrong.
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I queue up for the elite again and got a team that didn't quit. We spent the next 45 min closing the rifts, only to find the boss battle last for another 15. After that solid hour of gameplay I got 30 marks. My jaw hit the floor. I was expecting at least 60 for that. I understand that we as a player base have yet to figure out the best strategy, but 30 marks for an elite that took an hour to do? No thank you. I do not plan on playing that again unless the rewards are significantly increased. Let me be clear, I am NOT calling for the mission to be nerfed as I enjoy the challenge (which is the only reason I spent an hour trying to complete it with only two players), but the rewards should be on par with Breach Elite that rewards at least 65 marks with a semi-competent team.
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Speed of success is dependent on the quality of you and your group.
One hour only happens if the group is aweful. It is definitely not recommended for a PUG unless you can pewpew 30-50k dps to carry all the load of your groupmates or if ever they left the mission before completion.
I am actually against nerfing of this mission. This mission is just like The Hive or The Breach for the Borg and Voth respectively when you compare it to much easier missions like Infected or Storming the Spire.
If you want easier Undine mission, I recommend players should do Vicious Cycle rather than force the issue with Undine Assault.
agreed...mission is hard, but absolutely doable. just not with pugs and casual/average players. everybody in the grp needs to pull atleast 15-20k dps. Which totally doable with a little effort anyway.
however, imo, the rewards are underwhelming to say the least.
also there are plenty of alternatives...
I agree with this. I like the challenge of the mission. I'm just worried they are killing it with the low rewards and spoiling all the design and voice efforts. The minimum should be 50 or 60. If it means a strong team can get 100 marks is that so awful? It's in line with the borg rewards.
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I've seen people mention the "solo lane" and the "hard lane".
Anyways, the intro needs to make it more clear that your have to escort the command ship in the lane to be able to close the gate.
I had one last night where two bailed early and the two that remained kept fighting the never ending spawn at a gate with the command ship stuck at the beginning. My escort was enough to get it moving on one of the lanes but the last lane was suicide.
Then I tried the craziest thing and said in team we need to escort the command ship and the other two broke off and went over to it. It was still a slow slog with only three but they kept at it so I wasn't going to leave.