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maliusnight
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Let me start by saying if you have not been on tribble to look at S9 you need to now.
To put it simply S9 will go down as the biggest nerf in STO history.
I logged over to tribble because a lot of fleeties had questions about how the new kits would work.
While I was over there I checked out the trait set. If you are not aware, all those passive traits you spent lots time and effort grinding and they said they were buffing, is simply an epic piece of misdirection.
Yes they did improve each trait individually, but you have gone from being able to use all the traits you unlocked during the rep grind, to being limited to 4 in each category. The Categories being ground, space, and active. in short if your maxed you will lose at-least two whole reputations worth of passive traits.
From where I am sitting that means all the effort we have put into the game for the last couple years has just been dropped. I don't even know what to say I'm so mad.
To put it simply S9 will go down as the biggest nerf in STO history.
I logged over to tribble because a lot of fleeties had questions about how the new kits would work.
While I was over there I checked out the trait set. If you are not aware, all those passive traits you spent lots time and effort grinding and they said they were buffing, is simply an epic piece of misdirection.
Yes they did improve each trait individually, but you have gone from being able to use all the traits you unlocked during the rep grind, to being limited to 4 in each category. The Categories being ground, space, and active. in short if your maxed you will lose at-least two whole reputations worth of passive traits.
From where I am sitting that means all the effort we have put into the game for the last couple years has just been dropped. I don't even know what to say I'm so mad.
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Frankly I'm actually looking forward to pretty much all the changes coming with season 9. I think it'll be a great season.
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Doubt it. F'n EVERYTHING was nerfed when the lockbox ships were introduced.
And they've done ninja nerfs for quite a while now.
You expect balance? Dude, they're going to make everything biased to the new "content." Always happens, always will.
That's just how PWE works. Keep playing and get over it, or leave and shut up.
The single biggest nerf in STO history happened in Beta. When they made the skill trees have points caps.
Nothing they've done since comes close to that.
The benefits from those 4 powers you have were buffed. The developer stated goal is to have them be near equal to double their current values. They've been mucking about too much with that, but, the old 4 dimes versus 8 nickels quote is what they were shooting for. Which if achieved would mean you didn't get a decrease at all.
Reputation? Nerf and not nerf. Nerf in that you get less abilities overall. Not nerf in that the +dam and +crit reputations break the game DPS-wise even worse than before. Vapers online, basically.
Kits? Nerfed under the guise of customization. the pre-patch kits (fleet kits especially) are much better, giving you more, better powers. Please note fleet kit frames in s9 now only give ONE power, meaning you will spend much more to make the same kit you can currently buy now. And ultimately the 'customization' is very limited. A purple tac XI kit or instance will give you ONE strategic kit and the rest for powers/grenades. Really the best combinations are already in game. They merely repackaged them and added some minor stat buffs to make it feel like you came out ahead.
Make no mistake, there are plenty of nerfs in S9, some bad design changes, a very few good ones.
But at the end of the day people will be more interested in tearing down your outrageous ranting then admit that yes, S9 is pretty ugly.
I looked at the traits, I can tell you right now the product of having all those passives is greater sum of the four new ones even after improvement. Improvement in most cases barely holds water, just look at the new omega space passive? That horrible excuse for a trait is twice as good as hitting more? Not a chance.
Does anyone really think the unwashed masses of this game are going bother changing trait load out before doing a mission? Not in a month of Sundays.
Your not wrong, but the point is to get as many as possible in conversation. Yes most who post won't agree, but this is a pure numbers game, the more that read the thread the better. The Dev's won't change what they are doing, but they are likely to put forward a token effort given enough rage. (See the old galaxy threads.) So if you at all agree that S9 is giant nerf get in here and have at it!
This thread is redundant though and will most likely be moved to one of three different threads on the same topic.
Redundancy is how you achieve effective communications.
Besides Thursday afternoon before good Friday and Easter? We got a decent chance this could make it through the weekend. A Hundred pages in we'd have achieved our point.
Yeah . . . but I tend to think of Crypic as used starship salesmen when it comes to things like this. They will tell you all the great and wonderful things that are coming but tend to ignore/ gloss over the nerfs. By the time the players have played actual content and crunched the numbers, its too late.
well put.
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Times not up yet! There is still time get that used starship salesman to throw in a sound system upgrade!
And that just proves it has everything to do with you! Why does s9 not bother you? B/c clearly your ok with being nerfed. Just think about what that means!
Unlikely by this point. (Thankfully)
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So whatever you gain from the trait improvement is very tiny. Originally they were about to double the trait effectiveness, but nerfed that too.
It doesn't bother me because everyone is, so none of us are
FYI no it's not. Multiple threads about the same things spreads information allover making it pretty much annoying to read every thread when there is threads SPECIFICALLY designated for said feedback. If you don't want to use the official threads for feedback, then if you get ignored that's your own doing. Not the developers, not the CM's, but yours. As for this thread, since it covers multiple points, I've left it open but it's in general discussion and feedback for tribble since Season 9 isn't live yet.
THAT SAID, if you're going to quote multiple people and reply to them, do it in one post and not multiple posts. Doing so is spamming.
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You clearly haven't been here since launch, we've had way worse :rolleyes:
Somehow the new rep traits changes don't really affect my character on Tribble. I perform just as well as I did on Holodeck. Nothing seems to have drastically changed other than the fact I built my own kit and can choose whatever rep traits/traits I want. I quite like the new Undine/Borg arc and the new ESD is incredible as well. I cannot wait for Surface Tension, and I hope there's cutscenes for the Undine reputation, which I also look forward so I can have my fair share of story before Expansion 2 and from what I can tell, Harry Kim in August.
In point of fact it is my dear Mod. Why do you think they play the same commercial more then once, or have 14 blog posts on the new season before its released?
As to spamming I did not reply more then once and each reply was concerning a different individual's statement and different line of reasoning. If that's against the rules then ban me now. This thread is relevant to general discussion of the game, just wait until the 22nd and see how most of the player will feel about this. This will get a lot worse. On the upside I won't be around the game to see it.
I'm out.
Arguing with a mod, well played sir.
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
*slurps*
Your tears are delicious.
Bro...we need more than just a sound system. This game is on life support and it's bleeding players. Today I had to wait at least 15 minutes till their was enough players to play some STF's. That's unheard of.
Not to mention for the past two weeks I've only made 300,000 EC on the weekend. I normally bank 1 million EC on weekends. I don't care what anyone says,...those two things are clear indications to me that this game is hemorrhaging players. This season,...is all or nothing.
This rep thing is the least of my worries. I feel that the rep and the new ESD is an attempt at giving us something new (besides just another ship). Of all the things we have asked for, they went with what can be achieved the fastest and cheapest. They know players are mad, they see the numbers dwindling, they see how the Voth Bulwark Dreadnought couldn't be their new cash cow (or whatever you call that ship), they see that we are no longer making idle threats about not playing this game and they gave us a "remixed" Galaxy line to generate some fast cash. These are all bandage fixes because the writing is on the wall. I don't need any employee of Cryptic to try to tell me otherwise.
In closing with all the space games that are coming out this year and next, that fill in various niches,...theirs less and less reason to play this game. Instead you can head to steam and get 2-5 space games that can give you plenty of entertainment.
That is all.
Micromanaging widgets is not the same thing as unlocking a suite of passive effects through an ungodly grind. It's a rather dumb argument to state otherwise.
It is a nerf, though I'm quite sure in a few weeks they'll roll out a p2w trait build system similar to the ship one. There was no good reason to nerf it from a gameplay perspective, but a fantastic one in the eye of PWE accounting.
Wow, quick on the "THE GAME IS DYING HEAD FOR THE HILLS!" spiel, huh? Have you thought that it's not the game dying and more people doing other things? It's XP Bonus Week - people are gonna be spending time grinding up a new toon or gathering Expertise. There's the build on TRIBBLE - people are probably gonna see what neat stuff is heading their way, even if it's small. It's freaking Spring and only four days until the Season drops. They can take a minor break from the game until the new stuff shows up.
Trust me, once the new season starts up, things will blow up again. Starting with the server.
Agreed. I like the idea and flexibility of being able to change traits. We are ALL having this new system so it makes the playing field level. So we all lose a percent here and gain a few numbers there. Will I have less fun having some lower numbers that everyone else will be also experiencing. No. Will I like a bit more freedom to fiddle with traits, unlock more and perhaps in the future unlock additional slots (or purchase).. Yes.