Im starting to think this guy is just having fun trolling. His "But, But, But -40 power,-40 power!!" agruement is weak and has been shut down buy at least 10 different people on two different threads about this. This video pretty much sums him up:
Im starting to think this guy is just having fun trolling. His "But, But, But -40 power,-40 power!!" agruement is weak and has been shut down buy at least 10 different people on two different threads about this. This video pretty much sums him up:
PVP ? Oh yes you are the 1% who ruins the game for everybody.
You are the one that needs a serious reality check if you think the singularity powers are compensating for -40 power drain. LOL.
You are playing a Romulan Scimitar, it facerolls pve easily, nothing PVPers have gotten balanced or fixed can "ruin" the game for you.
The -40 power drain is balanced not only by sing powers, but by battle cloak and the generally superior stats and boff layouts warbirds also have. The romulan boffs are an extra. I rather have more superior boff traits available to other factions to balance it, but if that doesn't happen then romulan superior operatives need a balance pass.
You are playing a Romulan Scimitar, it facerolls pve easily, nothing PVPers have gotten balanced or fixed can "ruin" the game for you.
The -40 power drain is balanced not only by sing powers, but by battle cloak and the generally superior stats and boff layouts warbirds also have. The romulan boffs are an extra. I rather have more superior boff traits available to other factions to balance it, but if that doesn't happen then romulan superior operatives need a balance pass.
I would not mind if the other races had the same trait.
I dont think the Warbirds have superior stats and BO layouts.
Battlecloak....in PVE, its an invite to get shot with your shields down. Not a big strenght.
Same for the singularity powers. They can be used too rarely, and got too long cooldowns.
I got a romulan and a vulcan tac, in a fleet Mogai and a fleet patrol escort. Their layout is almost the same console wise, and they have the same weapons.
3 AP dhcs, 3 ap turrets, 1 grav torp. Consoles are 4 AP Locator, 3 Turnrate Neutroniums XII, 1 leech, 1 Voth proton console, and for the romulan the valdore console, for the vulcan a mark XII purple shield cap boost console.
The Romulan in the Valdore does 14k dps, the Vulcan in the patrol does 13k dps.
However their powerlevels are 125w 60s for rom, 125w 100s for vulcan. The vulcan is more durable, and the durability would be even greater if we took the fleet elite cores and leeches out of the math.
So yes, the romulan does 1k dps more, but the fed is much more durable. -10X4 power does that.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
A humans trait might be good, except it doesn't really stack anymore, it's just the subsystem repair that stacks now. Leadership got nerfed, yet I see more threads complaining about operative than I ever did about leadership. You don't have an all human bridge crew like you have an all romulan.
Where are you getting the information that leadership does not stack? The last time I tested leadership (which is admittedly a long time ago), both the hull repair bonus and the subsystem repair bonus stacked. There was a bug that prevented both bonuses from stacking, but that bug was fixed. The hull repair bonus is much lower than before Legacy of Romulus, but that doesn't mean it doesn't stack. If you have information that indicates the hull repair bonus doesn't stack, then you should report it as a bug.
I hope this is a bug, I paid big EC for my Romulan bridge officers with the superior romulan operative trait. If this isnt a bug, lets see 12-15 mil each, drain build, glass cannon build, A2b build, I have around 40 of them, so i better have 500mil ec in my bank or Im gonna be pissed, It may not be that serious for some ppl but for me, it would be a deal breaker, Hate to say it but id probably go back to playing wow or something. Thats not just a little nerf thats HUGE.
The other races do have access to the trait. That doesn't stop it from being overpowered. Even the fact that it's a must have trait makes it overpowered.
That's where you're wrong. Warbirds have all the layouts that most people in sto have always wanted. The fleet versions come with universal seating that makes their builds very versatile. The only thing that comes close to their superior BO layouts are temporal vessels and bird of preys. Possibly the hirogen hunter, mogh/avenger. Everything else takes a back seat.
You could have everything in the game and still suck if you don't use it right. My fleet patrol does 8k dps, but a friend of mine has the same build and does around 12~15k.
Anyways, I hope you see where I'm getting at with this analogy, fingers crossed.
Edit: I'm too worried I have to explain lol. Basically I'm saying that if you're dying due to battle cloaking, you're not using it right. Mainly, you don't battle cloak when the npcs has torpedo spread active. Torpedo spread follows you everywhere, so you gotta stay out of cloak and tank that, no choice. Cloak is used for an ambush engagement, and if you're good, you should be able to kill whatever is in your path before it retaliates. I know you're going "but but but what about tactical cubes". Simply watch its buffs, hit and run. If you're smart, you will engage when it doesn't have the high yield/torpedo spread buff. So when you shoot it, even if it targets you, the torpedo that chases you is unbuffed and won't hurt you much. Use brace for impact just in case after cloaking lol. This can be done, I know because my tactical orion flies a fleet b'rel.
Eh, I don't wanna coach people that didn't ask for it. I'm too n00by for that anyway.
What the cool down is 45 seconds? Isn't that the same cool down for hazard emitters?
I'm sure there are tricks to lower the cool down too, because when I pvp romulans they seem to be able to jump constantly without any issue.
Lol fleet patrol doesn't even compare to a fleet mogai. If the fleet patrol escort had the mogai layout, the jem hadar would lose its top status on the spot. The only redeeming factor for the fleet patrol is the superior base turn rate and inertia compared to the mogai. Something that only matters in pvp, but even then it's not that big of a deal since the mogai can ambush.
Why do I say this? Hirogen hunter escort has a similar build to a mogai, but with superior speed and it rivals the jem hadar escort. Fleet patrol is a thing of the past.
Oh? 14k dps eh? A scimitar can do up to 80k dps. The romulan escorts? I didn't keep track of their dps, but I wouldn't be surprised if they can do up to 40k dps. Of course (sarcasm on) this means SRO is still underpowered, up to 40% critical chance is still underpowered and up to 220% critical severity is still underpowered (sarcasm off).
I will gladly give up my elite warp core and leech for a shield absorptive console, pretty please?
It is a waste of time to consider durability in this game. Nothing is dangerous enough to warrant that. I think you just need to learn how to fly romulans right. Anyways, I'm done beating myself against this brick wall. You came in here like a bigot, nothing will change your mind.
A scimitar can do 80k dps and more, due to Aux to Batt Technican trollery. Again, the doff OPnes is not a romulan's fault. It is just an unfortunate synergy.
I would gladly give up the absortive console for a leech.
Why is the fleet mogai so much better than the fleet Patrol Escort?
My point was, that a 45sec (+charging it up) is not a "constant" bonus.
Hit and run tactics are.... great for PVP, but in PVE, are pretty much a bad idea, unless you use a beam-escort with speed defence tanking.
If you are using DHCs , you want to face the target and shoot it as long as you can. That's how you can deal the most damage to the target. That's where durability comes into play.
Universal seatings... more options is not overpowered. Its more flexible, but that at worst means its cheaper since you need to buy less cstore ships for your chars.
Still, in pve you'll possibly have a "best" loudout for a tactic. Honestly, the Charal pretty much is one of the best loudouts BO wise, while the Bugship has the best console layout for a good DHC escort build.
So overall, I think the problem with this game is speed tanking and A2B Technicians. If we removed them from the scenario, I'm sure your SUPEROP! romulans would quickly fall back to a fed-kdf average level.
Though.... yeah, KDF does need a better escort. But that's a whole other can of worms.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
A scimitar can do 80k dps and more, due to Aux to Batt Technican trollery.
Do you ever stop with the inane blather? This is ABSOLUTELY FALSE. Aux2batt will PREVENT a Scimitar from achieving this. In order to achieve such values, you have to DUMP Aux2batt, because Aux2batt will hose your AMP boost and Nuka Offensive Power. Such values were achieved by NOT running Aux2batt. I know you think you're cool by blaming aux2batt for everything wrong with your own ineptitude, but this is simply blatantly false nonsense.
A scimitar can do 80k dps and more, due to Aux to Batt Technican trollery.
I know only one who scored 83k in ISE to be exact on a Scimitar and he hates aux to batt : I know his name and I have his parsing . Care to give the name and the parsing of this one who scored 80k with aux to batt?
The Scimitar is one of the few ships ( or maybe the only one? ) where Aux to Batt would be the worst waste of seats unless you are broke.
You can run 2 copies of FAW 3 and 2 copies of EptW1 and with plasmonic leech you can keep all levels at 75 steadily and gain the Nukara T4 bonus , which, by the way, might be bigger after the S9 revamp ...
As for Romulan OPness, someone , before, pointed out that Romulans have less energy , no special cruiser commands, warbirds are notoriously a little squishy and, frankly, during a quick stroll in Kerrat, I didn't see all of this almighty OPness.
Do you ever stop with the inane blather? This is ABSOLUTELY FALSE. Aux2batt will PREVENT a Scimitar from achieving this. In order to achieve such values, you have to DUMP Aux2batt, because Aux2batt will hose your AMP boost and Nuka Offensive Power. Such values were achieved by NOT running Aux2batt. I know you think you're cool by blaming aux2batt for everything wrong with your own ineptitude, but this is simply blatantly false nonsense.
The best DPS you can get is with A2B. You are just lying so that it wont be nerfed (Which it wont, so your effort is wasted anyway, but I'm pretty sure you have a photosopped picture already made just in case). It doesnt even need to be a scimitar.
It can be a Galor just as well, with the most powerful weapon in game, the Spiral beam arrays.
All you do is write stupidity. A2B also overcaps the weapon power, and thus gives way more damage by countering power drain than the Nukara rep one ever could.
To Spaceeagle20:
I dont care for parsers, too much work for me.
But I have seen A2B players doing a ridiculous damage with Scimitars, Galors and even one who was cool enough to manage it with the Hirogen Cruiser.
A big thing about it is that they can spam AP Omega too constantly. Which adds to speed and the already OP defense bonus it gives.
Romulans being op? LoL. Speed defense tanking is so OP in game, not even a 600k dps scimitar could do anything if all its hits miss.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
But I have seen A2B players doing a ridiculous damage with Scimitars, Galors and even one who was cool enough to manage it with the Hirogen Cruiser.
A big thing about it is that they can spam AP Omega too constantly. Which adds to speed and the already OP defense bonus it gives.
Romulans being op? LoL. Speed defense tanking is so OP in game, not even a 600k dps scimitar could do anything if all its hits miss.
Well, parsers give you real actual numbers about the amount of damage you do, not just feelings or impressions.
By the way, Aux2bat is not **** ... it's just not end-game.
I have started with Aux2bat when I didn't have a lot of resources in my bank, so to speak ... since it's a cheap build : you just sit in the B'Tran cluster waiting for the assignment.
Aux2bat is like a blue rare warp/sing core, which is not bad.
A high-level not aux2bat build is like a fleet core with AMP, which is end-game level.
I am actually mentioning the AMP modifier because aux2bat builds lose the additional 3,3% damage buff provided by that core, apart from healing powers and/or a little science DPS more ( tractor beam repulsors).
About APO, this is Agresiel / Mal Reynold's 83k Scimitar's build http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=%20hulksscimbuildnew2_0
which I've ,at last, after several experiments of mine own, got to try just very little time ago.
I am still getting used to it, and they told me that APO should be used situationally.
Anyway, I've noticed that , for 15 seconds, APB and APO can stack together.
By the way, I am talking of Scimitars here ... Maybe there are ships which are better off with an aux2bat build because of too few tactical seats ( like some cruisers ) ... but, maybe, after Nukara T4 revamp which is coming, aux2bat won't be viable anymore for more ships than it is now.
Well, parsers give you real actual numbers about the amount of damage you do, not just feelings or impressions.
By the way, Aux2bat is not **** ... it's just not end-game.
I have started with Aux2bat when I didn't have a lot of resources in my bank, so to speak ... since it's a cheap build : you just sit in the B'Tran cluster waiting for the assignment.
Aux2bat is like a blue rare warp/sing core, which is not bad.
A high-level not aux2bat build is like a fleet core with AMP, which is end-game level.
I am actually mentioning the AMP modifier because aux2bat builds lose the additional 3,3% damage buff provided by that core, apart from healing powers and/or a little science DPS more ( tractor beam repulsors).
About APO, this is Agresiel / Mal Reynold's 83k Scimitar's build http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=%20hulksscimbuildnew2_0
which I've ,at last, after several experiments of mine own, got to try just very little time ago.
I am still getting used to it, and they told me that APO should be used situationally.
Anyway, I've noticed that , for 15 seconds, APB and APO can stack together.
By the way, I am talking of Scimitars here ... Maybe there are ships which are better off with an aux2bat build because of too few tactical seats ( like some cruisers ) ... but, maybe, after Nukara T4 revamp which is coming, aux2bat won't be viable anymore for more ships than it is now.
That does look like a very powerful build, but only damage wise. How would it stand against an attack? Most A2B boats I saw were almost impervious to damage that would have melted an elite borg tac cube away.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
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Good job there, I thank you
Bugs need to be fixed in this game, hopefully before they hit Holodeck. Just recall the KDF outfit one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg_8knBHEyw
Shut down? They all failed to give me a good argument. Still, funny donkey there!
You are playing a Romulan Scimitar, it facerolls pve easily, nothing PVPers have gotten balanced or fixed can "ruin" the game for you.
The -40 power drain is balanced not only by sing powers, but by battle cloak and the generally superior stats and boff layouts warbirds also have. The romulan boffs are an extra. I rather have more superior boff traits available to other factions to balance it, but if that doesn't happen then romulan superior operatives need a balance pass.
I would not mind if the other races had the same trait.
I dont think the Warbirds have superior stats and BO layouts.
Battlecloak....in PVE, its an invite to get shot with your shields down. Not a big strenght.
Same for the singularity powers. They can be used too rarely, and got too long cooldowns.
I got a romulan and a vulcan tac, in a fleet Mogai and a fleet patrol escort. Their layout is almost the same console wise, and they have the same weapons.
3 AP dhcs, 3 ap turrets, 1 grav torp. Consoles are 4 AP Locator, 3 Turnrate Neutroniums XII, 1 leech, 1 Voth proton console, and for the romulan the valdore console, for the vulcan a mark XII purple shield cap boost console.
The Romulan in the Valdore does 14k dps, the Vulcan in the patrol does 13k dps.
However their powerlevels are 125w 60s for rom, 125w 100s for vulcan. The vulcan is more durable, and the durability would be even greater if we took the fleet elite cores and leeches out of the math.
So yes, the romulan does 1k dps more, but the fed is much more durable. -10X4 power does that.
Where are you getting the information that leadership does not stack? The last time I tested leadership (which is admittedly a long time ago), both the hull repair bonus and the subsystem repair bonus stacked. There was a bug that prevented both bonuses from stacking, but that bug was fixed. The hull repair bonus is much lower than before Legacy of Romulus, but that doesn't mean it doesn't stack. If you have information that indicates the hull repair bonus doesn't stack, then you should report it as a bug.
The fix should be in the next patch or so. It's also been confirmed some time ago by a dev that this *is* a bug. :rolleyes:
The boy who cried "Nerf!". Eventually when they actually *do* nerf something, nobody is going to believe it until it's too late.
Pretty much went back to normal after they fixed up the trait settings for non aliens to have 9 slots rather than 10.
So seems to have been fixed for a while.
A scimitar can do 80k dps and more, due to Aux to Batt Technican trollery. Again, the doff OPnes is not a romulan's fault. It is just an unfortunate synergy.
I would gladly give up the absortive console for a leech.
Why is the fleet mogai so much better than the fleet Patrol Escort?
My point was, that a 45sec (+charging it up) is not a "constant" bonus.
Hit and run tactics are.... great for PVP, but in PVE, are pretty much a bad idea, unless you use a beam-escort with speed defence tanking.
If you are using DHCs , you want to face the target and shoot it as long as you can. That's how you can deal the most damage to the target. That's where durability comes into play.
Universal seatings... more options is not overpowered. Its more flexible, but that at worst means its cheaper since you need to buy less cstore ships for your chars.
Still, in pve you'll possibly have a "best" loudout for a tactic. Honestly, the Charal pretty much is one of the best loudouts BO wise, while the Bugship has the best console layout for a good DHC escort build.
So overall, I think the problem with this game is speed tanking and A2B Technicians. If we removed them from the scenario, I'm sure your SUPEROP! romulans would quickly fall back to a fed-kdf average level.
Though.... yeah, KDF does need a better escort. But that's a whole other can of worms.
The Scimitar is one of the few ships ( or maybe the only one? ) where Aux to Batt would be the worst waste of seats unless you are broke.
You can run 2 copies of FAW 3 and 2 copies of EptW1 and with plasmonic leech you can keep all levels at 75 steadily and gain the Nukara T4 bonus , which, by the way, might be bigger after the S9 revamp ...
As for Romulan OPness, someone , before, pointed out that Romulans have less energy , no special cruiser commands, warbirds are notoriously a little squishy and, frankly, during a quick stroll in Kerrat, I didn't see all of this almighty OPness.
The best DPS you can get is with A2B. You are just lying so that it wont be nerfed (Which it wont, so your effort is wasted anyway, but I'm pretty sure you have a photosopped picture already made just in case). It doesnt even need to be a scimitar.
It can be a Galor just as well, with the most powerful weapon in game, the Spiral beam arrays.
All you do is write stupidity. A2B also overcaps the weapon power, and thus gives way more damage by countering power drain than the Nukara rep one ever could.
To Spaceeagle20:
I dont care for parsers, too much work for me.
But I have seen A2B players doing a ridiculous damage with Scimitars, Galors and even one who was cool enough to manage it with the Hirogen Cruiser.
A big thing about it is that they can spam AP Omega too constantly. Which adds to speed and the already OP defense bonus it gives.
Romulans being op? LoL. Speed defense tanking is so OP in game, not even a 600k dps scimitar could do anything if all its hits miss.
By the way, Aux2bat is not **** ... it's just not end-game.
I have started with Aux2bat when I didn't have a lot of resources in my bank, so to speak ... since it's a cheap build : you just sit in the B'Tran cluster waiting for the assignment.
Aux2bat is like a blue rare warp/sing core, which is not bad.
A high-level not aux2bat build is like a fleet core with AMP, which is end-game level.
I am actually mentioning the AMP modifier because aux2bat builds lose the additional 3,3% damage buff provided by that core, apart from healing powers and/or a little science DPS more ( tractor beam repulsors).
About APO, this is Agresiel / Mal Reynold's 83k Scimitar's build
http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=%20hulksscimbuildnew2_0
which I've ,at last, after several experiments of mine own, got to try just very little time ago.
I am still getting used to it, and they told me that APO should be used situationally.
Anyway, I've noticed that , for 15 seconds, APB and APO can stack together.
By the way, I am talking of Scimitars here ... Maybe there are ships which are better off with an aux2bat build because of too few tactical seats ( like some cruisers ) ... but, maybe, after Nukara T4 revamp which is coming, aux2bat won't be viable anymore for more ships than it is now.
That does look like a very powerful build, but only damage wise. How would it stand against an attack? Most A2B boats I saw were almost impervious to damage that would have melted an elite borg tac cube away.