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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,461 Community Moderator
    edited April 2014
    You shouldn't be feeling insulted about the words on the forum.

    What you SHOULD be feeling insulted about as a Starfleet officer is seeing fellow Feds Alpha Striking an AA with energy weapons for ages... with their teammates nearby... it's like watching somebody look in a mirror to repeatedly punch themselves in the face to knock the other guy out, and worrying if the stupidity can spread to others like a virus.

    I have no control over what others do. I could tell them to back off the AAs, but they might just ignore or not even have chat up. Not everyone communicates, which is another problem that isn't exclusive to the Federation.

    I just take offense at the wide net cast by people who decides to bash Fed players in general over what they feel is a factionwide problem. I do not judge a whole faction on the actions of a few idiots. I'm sure there are just as many KDF who pull the same stuff, but I don't call out the entire KDF for it on the forums like some people seem to enjoy doing to Feds. Is it too hard to ask for the same level of consideration and respect in return?
    the difference between the factions isnt so much the player, but the game. i back the KDF, not because i think i am a klingon, not because i hate blue UIs or anything silly like that. its because both factions should be given equal content. not the same content, equal. meaning if fed gets the vesta, KDF should get a support cruiser. fed get a cruiser, KDF get a BOP. i dont want a reskinned feddy ship, i want a unique KDF ship.
    i suppose the reason i back the KDF is because i like voting for the underdog. they get nothing and still dont give up, hoping some day cryptic will realize the KDF is just as much of a faction as the federation, and needs just as much consideration. not the scraps left over.

    The real issue is available content to work off of in the IP. Star Trek has always been Federation centric, so naturally there is more Federation material. I may be a Fed player for the most part, but I would support more KDF designs. Besides... every once in a while I dust off my KDF Orion female and go plunder some system for teh lulz... and the smexy green chick with a big gun. :D
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    mimey2 wrote: »
    Like I said before, we haven't had an AA's are OP thread in awhile, guess the forum just needed to get it out of it's system.

    Not what happened at all, imho. IMHO, the reason we haven't seen one in forever is because they've been near useless forever...and thus...rarely ever seen in a long time.

    Which might explain this part...
    arnthebard wrote: »
    It used to be that it worked aginst energy weapons. Now it clears everything destructible torps included within its range.

    ...as if it were the first time the OP had encountered them, eh?

    Oh noes, they destroyed my targetable torps - they never did that before! Nope, never - they've never done that for how many years now that they've been doing that? Heck, even if we just go back to Consolemegeddon in Feb 2012 and the ability to slot T1-T4 consoles on other boats...that's still over two years they've been doing that.

    Leaves me to believe that it was either a troll post by the OP...or...based on their previous PvP posting, that it's just evidence of how not overpowered AA is based on the OP just complaining about them now rather than previously...as if it were a garbage console that they finally ran into somebody dorking around with, eh? That they haven't replied to the thread themselves...leaves me to believe it was the former and they're just enjoying the replies...
    scurry5 wrote: »
    Technically, this is a PvP subject....I think.

    With this...while I'd technically agree it is a PvP subject; lol - c'mon, it's a non-subject - it's a waste of database space.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    As a Sci use GW or SS to help remove AA. TbR is also effective in pushing AA.

    AA is not OP. AA just does not die to the spacebar pew pew simple ploy that normally kills everything else in STO. You have to exploit the weaknesses of AAs with attacks that do so.

    KDF use AAs alot in Nvak and once you get out of the pew pew first mode of thinking they are easy to overcome.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    As a Sci use GW or SS to help remove AA. TbR is also effective in pushing AA.

    AA is not OP. AA just does not die to the spacebar pew pew simple ploy that normally kills everything else in STO. You have to exploit the weaknesses of AAs with attacks that do so.

    KDF use AAs alot in Nvak and once you get out of the pew pew first mode of thinking they are easy to overcome.

    Personally I like AA's simply because they're the one true weakness of Aux2Batt builds. :D
  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Personally I like AA's simply because they're the one true weakness of Aux2Batt builds. :D

    Scramble/AMS is pretty hilarious too.

    Additonal lulz if you use that plus AAs
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  • mosul33mosul33 Member Posts: 836 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    LoL of course AA is OP. And for sure I remember a dev saying that too, in an interview or pod cast or something... Also since devs stated a few times they dont want to make to many diferences between PvP and PvE mechanics, it shouldnt even matter if this was only a PvP issue, wich is not. In PvE it has great success in NWS and even in the new Undine battlezone. I've seen ppl deploy it to attract undine ships fire so you can do the varoius clickies around there (and for that matter, saw it been used in the Mirror Universe Event too).

    Its funny tho how PvPers and kdf players jump at every thread that would actually balance the factions. And they all scream that they want balance :rolleyes:

    AA should only have a duration of no more then 15-20 secs, same as the voth palisade drain console. Also it should disapear after the spawner's death.
  • rakija879rakija879 Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    AA ARE a big problem as a science torp boater who can't buff damage to absurd levels that kill them in one shot, it can take a considerable amount of time to kill the bloody things, and by the time that is done, another one of them is deployed to replace the destroyed one. Now it wouldn't be such a problem if being a torp boater as a sci didn't mean relying heavily on destructable torps like breen clusters, mines, and romulan torps to do even half decent damage, all one has to do to completely win is just camp these damn things and spam them, they should follow the usual rules of special consoles and have a much longer cooldown.

    Now of course, I'd have less beef with it if destructible torps were made immune to AOE as they should be these days with the AOE crisis that's going on rendering them near useless, but good luck on that happening. It's still waaaaay too good of a perfect point defense that can have near full uptime denying ANY use of projectiles that can be destroyed. It's also an I-win button against science carriers who DEPEND on their pets for most of their damage, it's ridiculous that a single console has that much power to deny an opponent the use of any pets and destructible projectiles completely.

    If you consider the AA a serious opponent destroying your hy torpedoes, crippling you, your pets and other spam. Then what do consider a tac full operative rom guy flying a Scimitar with aux2bat beams + all the cheese maybe a rider of the apocalypse?
  • patientnr0patientnr0 Member Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    ROFL

    the same devs who don't even play this game?
    the same who thought using Powers nearly without CD is a great idea and
    if we give NPCs just 10times of evering (Hull, DMG etc) balances gameplay?
    the same who gave payers the Scim+elite Droneships+Faw+Marion+DEM+Crti-Boffs+ALL powers on 125 all the time?
    wow, they even knew that a AA even exists and call this little bugger OP?

    Its time for DEVs to create at least a rudimentary AI (for NPCs.....) instead of this old-wet-bun-"AI" we got now instead of nerfing everything to oblivion.
    I played games in the 1980s where NPCs where far smarter than this
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,462 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Scramble/AMS is pretty hilarious too.

    Additonal lulz if you use that plus AAs

    Perhaps i shall test scramble against a tholian red alert. The tholians love their BFAW.
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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    kimmym wrote: »
    Don't waste your time or money.

    The only people who die to AAs are people too dim to fly away from the damned thing...

    I like to think of them as blue team natural selection...

    This thread is a gold mine of sig worthy quotes.
    Scramble/AMS is pretty hilarious too.

    Additonal lulz if you use that plus AAs

    Its surprising how well it works since scramble has been around since forever.
  • tfomegatfomega Member Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    As I said, 'needs a hug.' Anyone who takes the factions so seriously that their ego is invested is just laughable.

    I hear you are good at giving hugs and much more!

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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I find it funny how the PvE and Fed idea of balance is to gimp or strip the other factions.
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  • neppakyoneppakyo Member Posts: 245 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    I find it funny how the PvE and Fed idea of balance is to gimp or strip the other factions.

    Gimp the romulan faction and I'll be happy.
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    I find it funny how the PvE and Fed idea of balance is to gimp or strip the other factions.
    Oh you want Feds to get a counterpart, instead of calling to nerf AA? That would be ... a platform that spews VM on every ship in reach, does passive damage that blocks your cloak, does active damage when hit with energy weapon, lasts for 5 minutes even if the owner dies, and can be dropped 2 at a time on your spawn point, by everyone on the opposing team regardless of skill level. Cause that's what you have with AA, with the KDF drain flavor (TR) instead of disables (VM).

    Yeah you would rage for weeks if Feds got a counterpart console
  • tlamstriketlamstrike Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I once sensor scrabbled an Aceton that some Klingon dropped on me in Ker'rat. I've never see a Klingon run so fast before. :eek:

    But most of the time I'll just pull up to one in my FACR and fire away with over 18K of DPS at it laughing as it barely dents my shields while it melts an entire team of pugs. :D

    I love Aceton Assimilator... ;)
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  • patientnr0patientnr0 Member Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited April 2014
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Oh you want Feds to get a counterpart, instead of calling to nerf AA? That would be ... a platform that spews VM on every ship in reach, does passive damage that blocks your cloak, does active damage when hit with energy weapon, lasts for 5 minutes even if the owner dies, and can be dropped 2 at a time on your spawn point, by everyone on the opposing team regardless of skill level. Cause that's what you have with AA, with the KDF drain flavor (TR) instead of disables (VM).

    Yeah you would rage for weeks if Feds got a counterpart console

    Actually, we wouldn't.

    We know how to counter such things :cool:

    There is no secret to taking out AA's. The only ones that have problems with them are fools that bash their faces into stone walls and wonder why their face is a bloody mess. Then they go right back into facebashing.
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  • innuwarriorinnuwarrior Member Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    You will take away my AA from my cold hard finger only................. Oh wait don't have it, ah well never mind than.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Oh you want Feds to get a counterpart, instead of calling to nerf AA? That would be ... a platform that spews VM on every ship in reach, does passive damage that blocks your cloak, does active damage when hit with energy weapon, lasts for 5 minutes even if the owner dies, and can be dropped 2 at a time on your spawn point, by everyone on the opposing team regardless of skill level. Cause that's what you have with AA, with the KDF drain flavor (TR) instead of disables (VM).

    Yeah you would rage for weeks if Feds got a counterpart console

    I never mentioned a counterpart. I said its funny how the first reaction for balance is always the nerf or strip approach followed evidently by the growth of outrageous effects defense.

    I guess the feds just need a Kirk torpedo that shoots lightning from its eyes and fireballs from its TRIBBLE while wooing all nearby females of any species to offset the boogeyman AA. Poor underdeveloped feds.....how hard it must be to just barely survive due to this one console.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Actually, we wouldn't.

    We know how to counter such things :cool:

    There is no secret to taking out AA's. The only ones that have problems with them are fools that bash their faces into stone walls and wonder why their face is a bloody mess. Then they go right back into facebashing.

    In defense of Ursusmorologus, I do not think him a fool. Which is why I am befuddled by his hatred of AA sense it is not so hard to counter.
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  • mm06360mm06360 Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I am hankering for some cheese to go with all this whining.

    I know how to deal with the AA since my first time I was playing Gorn Mine Feild before the Oddy Came out.

    DON'T SHOOT IT WITH ENERGY WEAPONS! Amazing, isn't? And I really hate the PUGs that keep shooting them in said STF.

    Then there is Using impulse, Evasive Manuvers, and Deturium surplus.


    My personal fave is Using Quantom torps and Torp Spread 3 on my Regent and the Emo Beam.

    Now the issue of spawn campin is totally seperate and does need to be addressed, but that is caused more by game design than any "OP" weapons.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    In defense of Ursusmorologus, I do not think him a fool. Which is why I am befuddled by his hatred of AA sense it is not so hard to counter.
    Its not a problem by itself. I mean, if you are fighting somebody and he drops one, just fly 10k away and its out of the picture, then kill him and go back and kill his AA. But its never like that, its always 8 of the damn things. Why is that? Its because of the damn stupid specs

    * more drain than a Tyken's Rift, able to shutdown an entire wave of NWS spawn
    * passive AOE radiation
    * active AOE damage when shot
    * AOE explosion damage on destruction
    * immune from energy weapons
    * immune from targetable projectiles
    * 45-second CD
    -- vs 1:45 CD for TR3
    -- vs 2:00 CD for every other non-weapon console
    * stays after owner death
    * not limited to one-per-owner
    * any fool can use it

    If I asked for a console that dropped 5-minute Tykens Rift, people would call me nuts, even without bullet items 2-N

    Of course its abused by flooding the zone. Because it is just perfectly designed for it. Its just fundamentally broken. I dont understand why people even try to justify it.

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  • khaldun1khaldun1 Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I have to agree. This fed has no idea about how AA's really work. Honestly, all they are good for is clearing spam and detecting when cloaked ships are about by seeing the trails. The power drain is nice, but its not a killer.

    If you are not capable of figuring out a counter, you deserve to get beat up by it.

    You CAN target them with destructible projectiles. I've DONE it. Next?

    TWO AA's. You get TWO. Not a freaking minefield! Next?

    If your getting systems shut down from AA due to power drain, you are playing wrong. Go respec into insulators. Problem solved. ANd you did not read your own picture very well. ONLY 2 ACETONS CAN DRAIN A SINGLE TARGET AT ANY GIVEN TIME! So if 2 are shutting you down, you have issues.

    If you cannot out-regen the DoT, you are doing it wrong. I will not even get into that, because it should be obvious!

    If you do not have a KCB on your precious FAW/DEM faceroll boat to shoot them down, you are failing at this game.

    Tell you what. You want the AA? HAVE IT! Klingons want the Tachyon console in exchange. Lets see how people like it when suddenly all the Fed rom cloakers and wannabe Sisko Defiant fliers suddenly are getting popped out of cloak. Sound like a fair exchange? :rolleyes:
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,461 Community Moderator
    edited April 2014
    Its not a problem by itself. I mean, if you are fighting somebody and he drops one, just fly 10k away and its out of the picture, then kill him and go back and kill his AA. But its never like that, its always 8 of the damn things. Why is that? Its because of the damn stupid specs

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    If I asked for a console that dropped 5-minute Tykens Rift, people would call me nuts, even without bullet items 2-N

    Of course its abused by flooding the zone. Because it is just perfectly designed for it. Its just fundamentally broken. I dont understand why people even try to justify it.

    I belive that is done by multiple people with the AA equipped.
    khaldun1 wrote: »
    I have to agree. This fed has no idea about how AA's really work. Honestly, all they are good for is clearing spam and detecting when cloaked ships are about by seeing the trails. The power drain is nice, but its not a killer.

    If you are not capable of figuring out a counter, you deserve to get beat up by it.

    You CAN target them with destructible projectiles. I've DONE it. Next?

    TWO AA's. You get TWO. Not a freaking minefield! Next?

    If your getting systems shut down from AA due to power drain, you are playing wrong. Go respec into insulators. Problem solved. ANd you did not read your own picture very well. ONLY 2 ACETONS CAN DRAIN A SINGLE TARGET AT ANY GIVEN TIME! So if 2 are shutting you down, you have issues.

    If you cannot out-regen the DoT, you are doing it wrong. I will not even get into that, because it should be obvious!

    If you do not have a KCB on your precious FAW/DEM faceroll boat to shoot them down, you are failing at this game.

    Tell you what. You want the AA? HAVE IT! Klingons want the Tachyon console in exchange. Lets see how people like it when suddenly all the Fed rom cloakers and wannabe Sisko Defiant fliers suddenly are getting popped out of cloak. Sound like a fair exchange? :rolleyes:

    Much rage I sense here. I pointed out a certain part that you neglected to notice. Its the tactics that are being used. Sure a single ship can only deploy 2 as everyone is saying... but how often are you in a 1v1 in places like Kerrat anyways? Its multiple ships with the AA that are flooding the area, not a single ship. 2 ships with AAs means 4 AAs, 3 gets 6 and so on. It stacks up the more ships have it. Insulting people doesn't help your case either.

    And for the record, I would have been fine with the Tachyon console being shared instead of the Ionized Gas Sensor when the Romulans came out, as the KDF is kinda more vulnerable to cloak attacks. Although technically the IGS is a bit more useful as a single ship can use it, and I believe its sorta like a free High Yield 1 in damage that can't really be actively targeted.
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  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    boohoohoo

    QQ feddie a2b/dem fawtard tears QQ
  • twofatnutstwofatnuts Member Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Im using galX dread beam boat when i see AA i still faw but i target AA device so my borg cuting beam do kinetic damage to AA for about 900 dmg per tick and woala AA goes poof! problem solved -.-
  • khaldun1khaldun1 Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Yeah, I'm a bit torqued off. All I see is ''I'm a Fed who needs yet another BS reason to take away from the already hosed ''pure'' KDF". Not Rom KDF mind you. Pure KDF.

    The KDF who had the leech given to feds because they QQ'ed until they got their way.
    The KDF who has the B'rel which is a far more terrible raider than, say, the T'varo. (Look up the 2 and compare. And the fleet versions. Its a joke.)
    The KDF who just last year got something akin to real "content" while Feds were spoon fed items, ships, stories, etc.

    Speaking of KDF vs. Fed......thanks to whomever posted the ships that have been released over the years for both factions. That should alone tell you Feds need to get over it.

    And now, here is another QQ thread trying to get something the KDF has that is SOLELY UNIQUE to them as a faction nerfed or removed. I mean, for the love of COD, you guys QQ'ued and look at the abomination that FAW/DEM has become.

    So yeah, my knickers are in a bit of a twist.

    Man up, learn some tactics, respec properly, and stop crying NERF!

    Come to think of it, just stop crying.
  • khaldun1khaldun1 Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    twofatnuts wrote: »
    Im using galX dread beam boat when i see AA i still faw but i target AA device so my borg cuting beam do kinetic damage to AA for about 900 dmg per tick and woala AA goes poof! problem solved -.-

    ^This person, is what we call "Not stupid".

    Oh and I forgot. Re-read the device's info again.

    "Any given target may only be drained by 2 assimilators"

    Your entire argument of multiple drains from multiple ships is now officially invalid. Next argument on how its OP?

    Damage?

    DoT?

    Please. Just close this horrible thread of pointlessness.
  • eisenw0lfeisenw0lf Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    boohoohoo

    QQ feddie a2b/dem fawtard tears QQ

    Pretty much this. The AA is the only target in the game that doesn't get facerolled by aux2bat/DEM/Marion fawboats.

    Then again all that people need to do is bring a kinetic beam or a torpedo launcher and stop mashing spacebar for ONE SECOND.
  • mosul33mosul33 Member Posts: 836 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    khaldun1 wrote: »
    Your entire argument of multiple drains from multiple ships is now officially invalid. Next argument on how its OP?

    Damage?

    DoT?

    Please. Just close this horrible thread of pointlessness.

    Ha this made me LOL. Scared of drawing too much attention on this, right? Its the CD and uptime aswell as not disapearing after the player that deploy it died. IMO this is why its OP.

    Also saw here ppl comparing this with the tachyon fed console. But last time I checked, that thing still had 3 mins CD with 30 secs uptime.
    Its right darn outrageous the uptime and CD of AA. Actually I dont think there is any console in the game that has only 45 secs CD and an UPTIME OF 5 MINS.
    It should be balanced to the standard 3 mins CD with an uptime of 30 secs or even 15-20 secs. How kdf players can still say this is balanced when this console wich cost only 1500 zen is far better then some lockbox consoles, wich have normal 3 mins CD or even 5 mins CD like the temporal ships have??
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