There are many running around in the skimpiest outfit possible, yes.
But many more are actually properly dressed.
In fact I myself run around with mine mainly clothed in the elite honor guard armour.
You're amusingly defensive regarding the Orion comments and willfully dense if you think a lot of people here are arguing this from the angle of wanting their male characters to be able to run around anywhere and everywhere in swim trunks.
I'm divided on this issue. On one hand, I'm perfectly fine with not having to deal with bikini-clad Tellarites and Pakleds tabledancing in DS9 and ESD. Because you know that'll happen.
On the other hand, I can't help but feel uncomfortable with restricting a costume set we spent a lot of time and effort unlocking to a single event zone. By the time we're all done grinding away to unlock the outfit the event will be halfway over. I mean, we earned that costume. We paid for it. It feels like a waste of effort if we spend all this time and energy getting a thing, only to find that we're never allowed to use it.
Especially given how the Risan costumes don't work with anything but themselves already. I was very disappointed to discover that the barefoot option was restricted to only the Risan pants, and that the entire outfit itself was restricted to Off-Duty outfits, which means that our Bridge Officers can't use it anyways and that we can't combine it with 90% of our costume parts. And now this is just another layer of restriction, where it's an Off-Duty outfit that only works with itself and cannot be used outside the Risan Event, but will require weeks of grinding and effort to earn.
What next? Scarves only allowed in the Winter Wonderland?
So while I certainly agree with the reasoning behind the decision, I can't help but feel opposed to it just on the principle of the matter.
What makes you think this is even the final implementation of the swimsuits? They weren't even supposed to be on the test server at this point if I had to guess. Otherwise they wouldn't of immediately nuked the Event store and access to Risa's Resort map. The event isn't for, at a minimum, another two months. For all anyone knows they're going to work with at least last year's Risan wear if not more options.
Beyond that as much as I enjoy unrestricted SpaceBarbie I sure as hell don't want to see everyone, literally everyone, running around the game in a swimsuit. There's also the fact that you can, fully educated on the limitations, just, you know, not "grind" for them in the first place if you don't like how limited they're going to be.
What makes you think this is even the final implementation of the swimsuits? They weren't even supposed to be on the test server at this point if I had to guess. Otherwise they wouldn't of immediately nuked the Event store and access to Risa's Resort map. The event isn't for, at a minimum, another two months. For all anyone knows they're going to work with at least last year's Risan wear if not more options.
Beyond that as much as I enjoy unrestricted SpaceBarbie I sure as hell don't want to see everyone, literally everyone, running around the game in a swimsuit. There's also the fact that you can, fully educated on the limitations, just, you know, not "grind" for them in the first place if you don't like how limited they're going to be.
Because the flavor text specifically said "Swimsuits only work on Risa."
Beyond that as much as I enjoy unrestricted SpaceBarbie I sure as hell don't want to see everyone, literally everyone, running around the game in a swimsuit. There's also the fact that you can, fully educated on the limitations, just, you know, not "grind" for them in the first place if you don't like how limited they're going to be.
Which in reality would never happen.
Vast majority of players don't do things just because they "can".
Else every single Orion would be running around in a minimal bikini everywhere, which a significantly large number don't.
What makes you think this is even the final implementation of the swimsuits? They weren't even supposed to be on the test server at this point if I had to guess. Otherwise they wouldn't of immediately nuked the Event store and access to Risa's Resort map. The event isn't for, at a minimum, another two months. For all anyone knows they're going to work with at least last year's Risan wear if not more options.
Beyond that as much as I enjoy unrestricted SpaceBarbie I sure as hell don't want to see everyone, literally everyone, running around the game in a swimsuit. There's also the fact that you can, fully educated on the limitations, just, you know, not "grind" for them in the first place if you don't like how limited they're going to be.
Why does everyone assume this is going to happen? Does everyone run around in the Mirror Uniforms, the Seven of Nine bodysuit, or a naked orion girl? Oh? You mean they don't, and most people use reasonable outfits?
Why does everyone assume this is going to happen? Does everyone run around in the Mirror Uniforms, the Seven of Nine bodysuit, or a naked orion girl? Oh? You mean they don't, and most people use reasonable outfits?
Then this won't change anything.
Exactly. There is this one MMO that is 99% fanservice. People got tired of playing the game because looking at fanservice gets boring if the game is boring. There is the initial thrill, but that thrill always fades away. After all, the Party Poppers are used a ton at the start of the Anniversary event, but they are rarely used after that. Swimwear is the same thing. We will see a lot of players wearing swimwear during the first few days of the summer event, but there will be hardly any people that will still be wearing swimwear unless they go to Risa.
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Why does everyone assume this is going to happen? Does everyone run around in the Mirror Uniforms, the Seven of Nine bodysuit, or a naked orion girl? Oh? You mean they don't, and most people use reasonable outfits?
Then this won't change anything.
I can find Orions about everywhere. And for some reasons, they all have the boob slider to the maximum. Wonder why.
I can find a lot of characters with the arc Khan outfit, or the mirror universe uniform, or some mix that make it really short.
I can just log in right now, and I'm sure I'll see at least one or 2 of them waiting in front of any bank/exchange of the main hubs.
Let's face it. While a very small minority ask for this outfits to be unlocked for the "good" reasons (IE not for seeing a pound of flesh on their characters), the very large majority is asking for it just to have more flesh on their female characters. Or male for a few female/TRIBBLE person.
Just like Drozana was never really used by your average RPer, but by another playerbase, if you catch my meaning.
There are pretty much no other reasons to have swimwear unlocked on ESD or anywhere else than Risa. RP ? RP what ? Rp that you are wearing swimwear in a place without water ? The only argument I read once, which was quite funny, was "rp you are exiting holodeck with a swimming pool inside". Sweet jesus that the kind of RP that happen about every day !
Let's be honest there. Even if you are not this kind of guy, we both know this system is asked, and will be used by a very large majority just to see half naked women.
The Majority of players I always see are what one would call properly dressed.
You greatly overestimate the amount of people who would actually run around near naked all the time.
I vote for letting bikinis go anywhere any time. If a concession must be made then give people the ability to turn on a rated G mode (cause bikinis aren't even PG-13) :rolleyes:
Exactly. There is this one MMO that is 99% fanservice. People got tired of playing the game because looking at fanservice gets boring if the game is boring. There is the initial thrill, but that thrill always fades away. After all, the Party Poppers are used a ton at the start of the Anniversary event, but they are rarely used after that. Swimwear is the same thing. We will see a lot of players wearing swimwear during the first few days of the summer event, but there will be hardly any people that will still be wearing swimwear unless they go to Risa.
I know the MMO you speak of, and it's not doing very well at the moment. So much for "sex sells". :rolleyes:
I mean really, there are a lot of options for fanservice already, if people were really that desperate this game would be full of characters wearing those clothes. It's not. So quit your whining. :cool:
I vote for letting bikinis go anywhere any time. If a concession must be made then give people the ability to turn on a rated G mode (cause bikinis aren't even PG-13) :rolleyes:
That's actually an interesting idea. What about a toggle that displays all other players in a 'standard' uniform for their faction?
I imagine that it could also be a performance benefit for people on lower end machines, while simultaneously nipping this old controversy in the bud.
Don't you dare separate swimsuits into their own category! You put them right with the rest of the costumes where they belong! :mad:
^^^^ The swimsuits shouldn't have their own category. If it's due to canon reasons, canon has been long gone out of the window. So put them in off-duty, uniform category, or even better, non category, where all options are available!
I can understand the desire to not have people suddenly wearing bikinis and such everywhere, but I am vehemently opposed to the compartmentalization of all clothes in this game, it simply drives me insane. I see no meaningful benefit to it. What if you have an alien where their culture is bare foot? The Risan explorer outfit is your friend. But you can't cross that with your uniform so the guy has to wear shoes most of the time.
ALL Orions should have access to these swimsuits 100% of the time, because for the love of money and jewels they need those costume options.
What if I'm in a Foundry mission that takes place in a resort on a different planet? Casperia Prime for instance.
There are a lot of things that I think should be restricted but aren't like bombing a place with disco balls, smoke bombs, and all of that idiocy. People wearing vaguely skimp clothes in public places doesn't faze me much. It's not like we're visiting the Edo planet with a bunch of npcs in the background having sex and wearing tiny shiny shorts and tops.
I would love to see more of those TOS Theiss style dresses in the formal attire, but restricting things just rubs me the wrong way.
I'd like to see combinations like the bikini or monokini and the explorer shorts.
It would be great if this game allowed layering of outfits.
Regardless though, allowing combinations of outfits really can't fail.
Note that many people are using the flower belt to get rid of the Orion loincloth.
My suggestion is, instead of whitelisting Risa (as in restricting swimwear to those whitelisted locations only), blacklist the locations where it should be restricted.
ESD, Quo'nos, Starfleet Academy are the sensible choices in my head. Force the costume to switch automatically to the first uniform whenever a player beams down using a outfit with the swimwear category, and lock down the slot while the player is inside the blacklisted location.
Everywhere else should be unrestricted, *specially* inside ships.
:rolleyes:
I can actually agree with this. An elegant solution.
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^^^^ The swimsuits shouldn't have their own category. If it's due to canon reasons, canon has been long gone out of the window. So put them in off-duty, uniform category, or even better, non category, where all options are available!
I can't believe that people are more okay with flying Undine ships than revealing outfits. Besides, skimpy outfits are canon. :P
But these are outfits and costumes for everyone. I don't think there are any racial limitations for once. I still think they should all be available everywhere, and with other costume parts too.
I certainly hope they restrict everything to Risa. They keep the map open year-around. Lots of people went through the farming process for super jetpacks, and I feel it was a fair decision by Cryptic to just keep the Risa map available year-around, without the event running. That way people had the chance to still use their equipment in a place that it was designed to be utilized.
I'd expect the same vein of thought in regards to swimwear. Where would it being utilized be appropriate? Risa. Not ESD. Not Qo'nos. Not NR Command. Could they decide that flagging it for select other locations may be appropriate? Maybe. But I'd expect those locations to match Risa in atmosphere. I don't anticipate being able to walk about Starfleet Academy, Hathon, or Andoria in swimwear.
I certainly hope they restrict everything to Risa. They keep the map open year-around. Lots of people went through the farming process for super jetpacks, and I feel it was a fair decision by Cryptic to just keep the Risa map available year-around, without the event running. That way people had the chance to still use their equipment in a place that it was designed to be utilized.
I'd expect the same vein of thought in regards to swimwear. Where would it being utilized be appropriate? Risa. Not ESD. Not Qo'nos. Not NR Command. Could they decide that flagging it for select other locations may be appropriate? Maybe. But I'd expect those locations to match Risa in atmosphere. I don't anticipate being able to walk about Starfleet Academy, Hathon, or Andoria in swimwear.
Any Klingon location would obviously be appropriate, since Orions already do it (and nobody in the Empire seems to mind).
As for Federation locations, the Federation is hardly the prudish place most people seem to think it is. There have been plenty of episodes across the entirety of Star Trek with people wearing very little, and any issues (if there were any to begin with) were with the person's actions rather than their attire. And... just so you know, Starfleet Academy is located in San Fransisco. Pretty close to some nice beaches. Andorians might disagree with you on not wearing swimwear on Andoria, but I'll let them deal with that themselves :P
All of you who are supporting the limitation need to remember that not everyone in STO is a member of Starfleet, or the KDF, or even the Republic military. Some of us play neutral characters, whether they be mercenaries, traders, or just civilians. Neutral characters don't wear Starfleet uniforms.
All you need to do to see a civilian wearing something revealing is go to your local mall during the summer, some of which are worse than what Star Trek showed. And none of the outfits Cryptic is designing are going to show nudity, and they'll probably be less revealing than what we saw in the actual shows.
I certainly hope they restrict everything to Risa. They keep the map open year-around. Lots of people went through the farming process for super jetpacks, and I feel it was a fair decision by Cryptic to just keep the Risa map available year-around, without the event running. That way people had the chance to still use their equipment in a place that it was designed to be utilized.
I'd expect the same vein of thought in regards to swimwear. Where would it being utilized be appropriate? Risa. Not ESD. Not Qo'nos. Not NR Command. Could they decide that flagging it for select other locations may be appropriate? Maybe. But I'd expect those locations to match Risa in atmosphere. I don't anticipate being able to walk about Starfleet Academy, Hathon, or Andoria in swimwear.
Yeah it was nice they did that. Except for the fact that almost nobody goes there when the event isn't running because there isn't anything to do there, except fly around on a floater. The messed up thing is that it was highly requested that Cryptic leave the summer event map available when the event ended so people could go there year round and fly around the place.
Sheesh. It's like asking for free pizza and after you get it, you find it later growing mold in your fridge.
These swimwear needed to stay on Risa. It would have contributed too much to the immorality creep.
If you allow too much skin in public there would be too much immorality. Don't think of it as losing something, you still keep it on Risa but not anywhere else.
It's like getting 100 pennies instead of a dollar bill, the pennies are better cause it weighs more and you keep the immorality creep down.
These swimwear needed to stay on Risa. It would have contributed too much to the immorality creep.
If you allow too much skin in public there would be too much immorality. Don't think of it as losing something, you still keep it on Risa but not anywhere else.
It's like getting 100 pennies instead of a dollar bill, the pennies are better cause it weighs more and you keep the immorality creep down.
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Look, whatever your idea of "immorality" is, it's almost assuredly wrong if you think showing a little skin via swimwear has any effect on it.
If you feel Keel'el's effect is well designed, please, for your own safety, be very careful around shallow pools of water.
Yeah it was nice they did that. Except for the fact that almost nobody goes there when the event isn't running because there isn't anything to do there, except fly around on a floater. The messed up thing is that it was highly requested that Cryptic leave the summer event map available when the event ended so people could go there year round and fly around the place.
Sheesh. It's like asking for free pizza and after you get it, you find it later growing mold in your fridge.
Well... I for one go to Risa all the time. But that's not really the point of this thread.
These swimwear needed to stay on Risa. It would have contributed too much to the immorality creep.
If you allow too much skin in public there would be too much immorality. Don't think of it as losing something, you still keep it on Risa but not anywhere else.
It's like getting 100 pennies instead of a dollar bill, the pennies are better cause it weighs more and you keep the immorality creep down.
So it is immoral to show a little skin, but not immoral to slaughter thousands of enemies? This is a problem with America. We can have hundreds of people killed in a TV show, but 10 seconds of showing some skin is not allowed.
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You're amusingly defensive regarding the Orion comments and willfully dense if you think a lot of people here are arguing this from the angle of wanting their male characters to be able to run around anywhere and everywhere in swim trunks.
On the other hand, I can't help but feel uncomfortable with restricting a costume set we spent a lot of time and effort unlocking to a single event zone. By the time we're all done grinding away to unlock the outfit the event will be halfway over. I mean, we earned that costume. We paid for it. It feels like a waste of effort if we spend all this time and energy getting a thing, only to find that we're never allowed to use it.
Especially given how the Risan costumes don't work with anything but themselves already. I was very disappointed to discover that the barefoot option was restricted to only the Risan pants, and that the entire outfit itself was restricted to Off-Duty outfits, which means that our Bridge Officers can't use it anyways and that we can't combine it with 90% of our costume parts. And now this is just another layer of restriction, where it's an Off-Duty outfit that only works with itself and cannot be used outside the Risan Event, but will require weeks of grinding and effort to earn.
What next? Scarves only allowed in the Winter Wonderland?
So while I certainly agree with the reasoning behind the decision, I can't help but feel opposed to it just on the principle of the matter.
Beyond that as much as I enjoy unrestricted SpaceBarbie I sure as hell don't want to see everyone, literally everyone, running around the game in a swimsuit. There's also the fact that you can, fully educated on the limitations, just, you know, not "grind" for them in the first place if you don't like how limited they're going to be.
Because the flavor text specifically said "Swimsuits only work on Risa."
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While I realize I didn't specify, I was referring to the swimsuits not working with any other clothing.
Which in reality would never happen.
Vast majority of players don't do things just because they "can".
Else every single Orion would be running around in a minimal bikini everywhere, which a significantly large number don't.
Multiple people who were on Tribble before it was taken away found that it was it's own subheading.
They can't.
Why does everyone assume this is going to happen? Does everyone run around in the Mirror Uniforms, the Seven of Nine bodysuit, or a naked orion girl? Oh? You mean they don't, and most people use reasonable outfits?
Then this won't change anything.
Exactly. There is this one MMO that is 99% fanservice. People got tired of playing the game because looking at fanservice gets boring if the game is boring. There is the initial thrill, but that thrill always fades away. After all, the Party Poppers are used a ton at the start of the Anniversary event, but they are rarely used after that. Swimwear is the same thing. We will see a lot of players wearing swimwear during the first few days of the summer event, but there will be hardly any people that will still be wearing swimwear unless they go to Risa.
make what you wear actually be your armor
problems solved
want to see skin...watch TOS
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Agreed. The less 'pathetic' I'm exposed to the better.
I can find a lot of characters with the arc Khan outfit, or the mirror universe uniform, or some mix that make it really short.
I can just log in right now, and I'm sure I'll see at least one or 2 of them waiting in front of any bank/exchange of the main hubs.
Let's face it. While a very small minority ask for this outfits to be unlocked for the "good" reasons (IE not for seeing a pound of flesh on their characters), the very large majority is asking for it just to have more flesh on their female characters. Or male for a few female/TRIBBLE person.
Just like Drozana was never really used by your average RPer, but by another playerbase, if you catch my meaning.
There are pretty much no other reasons to have swimwear unlocked on ESD or anywhere else than Risa. RP ? RP what ? Rp that you are wearing swimwear in a place without water ? The only argument I read once, which was quite funny, was "rp you are exiting holodeck with a swimming pool inside". Sweet jesus that the kind of RP that happen about every day !
Let's be honest there. Even if you are not this kind of guy, we both know this system is asked, and will be used by a very large majority just to see half naked women.
The Majority of players I always see are what one would call properly dressed.
You greatly overestimate the amount of people who would actually run around near naked all the time.
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I know the MMO you speak of, and it's not doing very well at the moment. So much for "sex sells". :rolleyes:
I mean really, there are a lot of options for fanservice already, if people were really that desperate this game would be full of characters wearing those clothes. It's not. So quit your whining. :cool:
That's actually an interesting idea. What about a toggle that displays all other players in a 'standard' uniform for their faction?
I imagine that it could also be a performance benefit for people on lower end machines, while simultaneously nipping this old controversy in the bud.
^^^^ The swimsuits shouldn't have their own category. If it's due to canon reasons, canon has been long gone out of the window. So put them in off-duty, uniform category, or even better, non category, where all options are available!
ALL Orions should have access to these swimsuits 100% of the time, because for the love of money and jewels they need those costume options.
What if I'm in a Foundry mission that takes place in a resort on a different planet? Casperia Prime for instance.
There are a lot of things that I think should be restricted but aren't like bombing a place with disco balls, smoke bombs, and all of that idiocy. People wearing vaguely skimp clothes in public places doesn't faze me much. It's not like we're visiting the Edo planet with a bunch of npcs in the background having sex and wearing tiny shiny shorts and tops.
I would love to see more of those TOS Theiss style dresses in the formal attire, but restricting things just rubs me the wrong way.
I'd like to see combinations like the bikini or monokini and the explorer shorts.
It would be great if this game allowed layering of outfits.
Regardless though, allowing combinations of outfits really can't fail.
Note that many people are using the flower belt to get rid of the Orion loincloth.
I can actually agree with this. An elegant solution.
I can't believe that people are more okay with flying Undine ships than revealing outfits. Besides, skimpy outfits are canon. :P
But can they allow it on private maps? LIke as said above, a foundry resort map? A foundry beach map? Maybe a beauty contest on the starbase?
Maps with water for instance?
They could just disable it on big social hubs like ESD, Ds9, Kronos....
I'd expect the same vein of thought in regards to swimwear. Where would it being utilized be appropriate? Risa. Not ESD. Not Qo'nos. Not NR Command. Could they decide that flagging it for select other locations may be appropriate? Maybe. But I'd expect those locations to match Risa in atmosphere. I don't anticipate being able to walk about Starfleet Academy, Hathon, or Andoria in swimwear.
Any Klingon location would obviously be appropriate, since Orions already do it (and nobody in the Empire seems to mind).
As for Federation locations, the Federation is hardly the prudish place most people seem to think it is. There have been plenty of episodes across the entirety of Star Trek with people wearing very little, and any issues (if there were any to begin with) were with the person's actions rather than their attire. And... just so you know, Starfleet Academy is located in San Fransisco. Pretty close to some nice beaches. Andorians might disagree with you on not wearing swimwear on Andoria, but I'll let them deal with that themselves :P
All of you who are supporting the limitation need to remember that not everyone in STO is a member of Starfleet, or the KDF, or even the Republic military. Some of us play neutral characters, whether they be mercenaries, traders, or just civilians. Neutral characters don't wear Starfleet uniforms.
All you need to do to see a civilian wearing something revealing is go to your local mall during the summer, some of which are worse than what Star Trek showed. And none of the outfits Cryptic is designing are going to show nudity, and they'll probably be less revealing than what we saw in the actual shows.
Yeah it was nice they did that. Except for the fact that almost nobody goes there when the event isn't running because there isn't anything to do there, except fly around on a floater. The messed up thing is that it was highly requested that Cryptic leave the summer event map available when the event ended so people could go there year round and fly around the place.
Sheesh. It's like asking for free pizza and after you get it, you find it later growing mold in your fridge.
If you allow too much skin in public there would be too much immorality. Don't think of it as losing something, you still keep it on Risa but not anywhere else.
It's like getting 100 pennies instead of a dollar bill, the pennies are better cause it weighs more and you keep the immorality creep down.
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Look, whatever your idea of "immorality" is, it's almost assuredly wrong if you think showing a little skin via swimwear has any effect on it.
He can't be serious, can he?
I think solidneutronium forgot his [/sarcasm] tags.
Well... I for one go to Risa all the time. But that's not really the point of this thread.
So it is immoral to show a little skin, but not immoral to slaughter thousands of enemies? This is a problem with America. We can have hundreds of people killed in a TV show, but 10 seconds of showing some skin is not allowed.