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flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
Something desired by many.

Anyway, the Trait Boxes come with a Retrait Token (makes sense, else you're forced to pay for a reward you've already paid for). Could a similar Token be added to Lock Box ships though ... with a twist;

that twist being, upon unboxing a lock box/lobi ship, said character/account gets a single token (for that specific ship) that is bound to said account. This would enable said player to rebox and sell/switch that ship a single time.

There wouldn't be mass changing, because each ship (per character/account) would only come with one token so people would have to think about selling/switching before doing it. Would just be nice to have something for people who have prematurely (or accidentally) opened a ship when said ship would be better suited to a different character or better suited for someone else via the exchange.

How about it?

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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    How about no!?

    You can already sell unopened lockbox ships. What *you* want is to use your ship, get bored with it after a while, and then sell it. How lame.

    Besides, every ship ppl buy from you, they're not buying from Cryptic. So, this is never, never, never going to happen. Period.

    Next!
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  • abcde123123abcde123123 Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    tbh something along the lines of moving opened lock box ship to another toon on the account for let's say 20k dil would be really really nice. The cost should be not very expensive, but not too cheap either, so that ppl won't move ships every day.

    It will create an issue with jhas pets, but jhas pets are a bit silly in that you'll need to buy 500m ship just for pets.

    In reality thou it does goes against 1st rule of acquisition: "once you get their money - never give it back". So it's unlikely we ever gonna see that implemented.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    What *you* want is to use your ship, get bored with it after a while, and then sell it. How lame.
    Would it hurt *you* to get *your* facts before making assumptions? :rolleyes:

    What *I* want is the ability to move said ship to another character without having to spend stupid amounts of resources (dilithium>zen>energy credits) to acquire a second vessel of the same. I've already paid for it, why shouldn't I be able to use it elsewhere?
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  • unangbangkayunangbangkay Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    Would it hurt you to get your facts before making assumptions? :rolleyes:

    What I want is the ability to move said ship to another character without having to spend stupid amounts of resources (dilithium>zen>energy credits) to acquire a second vessel of the same type.

    Or maybe you should think a little harder about which character to open a lockbox ship on before opening it?

    This is yet another "make everything account bound" request thread in disguise, and unless the rebox token costs as much as a C-store ship (2k-2.5k Zen) there's no incentive to make Lockbox or Lobi ships account-bound. Cryptic makes the most money off of lockboxes so being able to shift around major lockbox rewards essentially removes the possibility of further lockbox sales for every single alt a player owns.

    If you have 32 alts you want a Hirogen Hunter on, why in the world would Cryptic allow you to spend 20k dil (a pitiful amount for the kind of player that maintains 32 alts) and spend nothing or have to spend large amounts of money (or time, which is equally valuable to their metrics) to get a Hunter 32 times?

    I'm not saying I don't want it. I'd love everything to be free for me forever and account-bound. I'd also want a free Welsh Corgi from Cryptic. But it's not going to happen and there's no compelling reason for it to happen.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    Would it hurt you to get your facts before making assumptions? :rolleyes:

    What I want is the ability to move said ship to another character without having to spend stupid amounts of resources (dilithium>zen>energy credits) to acquire a second vessel of the same type.

    LOL. Even if that 'other' person is just an alt of yours, that's *still* a sale not made to Cryptic. And it *still* means you want to use your ship, then give it to another character.

    In all honesty, would love it if *everything* was account bound: would save me billions in EC for new ships, new equipment, new Lobi items, etc. But that's just never going to happen.

    As for your idea, you want to eat your cookie, and have it. That remains a lame idea: if you 'consumed' your lockbox ship, you should no longer have it as a tradeable item (even if said trade is made to an alt).
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Or maybe you should think a little harder about which character to open a lockbox ship on before opening it?
    Maybe I'd unlock a ship on an existing character, then later make a new character and think to myself "maybe this ship would be better suited over there." :rolleyes:
    This is yet another "make everything account bound" request thread in disguise, and unless the rebox token costs as much as a C-store ship (2k-2.5k Zen) there's no incentive to make Lockbox or Lobi ships account-bound. Cryptic makes the most money off of lockboxes so being able to shift around major lockbox rewards essentially removes the possibility of further lockbox sales for every single alt a player owns.
    I wouldn't dare expect the cost of said token to be 2500zen; some people, many in fact have spent a LOT more than that just to get the ship in the first place. A token of 500zen though, I could live with that.
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    LOL. Even if that 'other' person is just an alt of yours, that's *still* a sale not made to Cryptic. And it *still* means you want to use your ship, then give it to another character.

    [snip]

    As for your idea, you want to eat your cookie, and have it. That remains a lame idea: if you 'consumed' your lockbox ship, you should no longer have it as a tradeable item (even if said trade is made to an alt).
    By your logic, Cryptic should also lock all C-Store ships to character bound as well as there is no incentive for them to have them as account unlocks. Would you support that?
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    By your logic, Cryptic should also lock all C-Store ships to character bound as well as there is no incentive for them to have them as account unlocks. Would you support that?

    C-Store ship account unlocks are far less useful than you may think. Even on my Fed-aligned Rom, I still can't claim any Tier 5 Fed C-Store ships. So, yawn, I can claim maybe a handful of old Tier 3/4 ships, which were all obsoleted the moment I hit lv 50. Yeah, good luck with those.
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  • unangbangkayunangbangkay Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    Maybe I'd unlock a ship on an existing character, then later make a new character and think to myself "maybe this ship would be better suited over there." :rolleyes:

    Tough luck, cryptic is happy to welcome you back to the slots.
    I wouldn't dare expect the cost of said token to be 2500zen; some people, many in fact have spent a LOT more than that just to get the ship in the first place. A token of 500zen though, I could live with that.

    Exactly. Why have them spend more than 2500z + 500z once than spend far more than 2500z as many times as it takes? You might live with tokens of 500z, but could the game? Maybe, maybe not, but that's not up to you or me to decide, it's up to them, and so far the math is against your modest proposal.

    Servers aren't powered by forum goodwill.
    By your logic, Cryptic should also lock all C-Store ships to character bound as well as there is no incentive for them to have them as account unlocks. Would you support that?

    Indeed, Cryptic could potentially decide that all new ships from here on are lockbox ships! Amazing. But thankfully they decided that they'd make more money from a diverse lineup of ways to get new ships. some by lockbox, others by store.

    Plus, the store ships are exactly valuable because many are equal to or better than lockbox ships for less money AND are account unlocks. That's one reason to spend 2500z (minimum) rather than spend 125Z on the chance to get one (or nothing but time to get it for EC).
    Even on my Fed-aligned Rom, I still can't claim any Tier 5 Fed C-Store ships. So, yawn, I can claim maybe a handful of old Tier 3/4 ships, which were all obsoleted the moment I hit lv 50. Yeah, good luck with those.

    That's not a problem for Fed/KDF players, that's a problem for Romulans. In fact if romulans were a full faction in their own right they'd have NO access to Fed/KDF C-store ships, since the only reason Roms are forced to align with the Fed/KDF is to preserve existing investments into the fleet system and C-store.
  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I support a feature that let me swap character bound ships to other characters on my account. Afterall I won it, after paying for it or playing for it and now I have it. What would the problem be? Trhue, a player that want such a ship on another character have to buy keys again, or get the EC if he wants to buy it on the exchange. I would be supriced if there are many of such players.

    I have the Galor on one of my characters, but I have no interest in the character anymore and only play it for doff mission and as a mule. I also deleted characters with boxed ships, because I also had no interest in those any more. I would have been interested in swapping the ships to an alt of course.

    We get more and more ships, in the Zen store, with events, lockboxes and so on the exchange. Each time we are getting more alternatives for each ship. What is the big deal.
  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    ...that twist being, upon unboxing a lock box/lobi ship, said character/account gets a single token (for that specific ship) that is bound to said account. This would enable said player to rebox and sell/switch that ship a single time.

    There wouldn't be mass changing, because each ship (per character/account) would only come with one token so people would have to think about selling/switching before doing it. Would just be nice to have something for people who have prematurely (or accidentally) opened a ship when said ship would be better suited to a different character or better suited for someone else via the exchange.

    How about it?

    i think that is a terrible idea! maybe i could get behind the idea of reboxing for use on your own account... but relisting? hell no.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    C-Store ship account unlocks are far less useful than you may think. Even on my Fed-aligned Rom, I still can't claim any Tier 5 Fed C-Store ships. So, yawn, I can claim maybe a handful of old Tier 3/4 ships, which were all obsoleted the moment I hit lv 50. Yeah, good luck with those.
    You've failed to answer my question.
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  • anothervisitoranothervisitor Member Posts: 414 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    that twist being, upon unboxing a lock box/lobi ship, said character/account gets a single token (for that specific ship) that is bound to said account. This would enable said player to rebox and sell/switch that ship a single time.

    As any MMO is always about money, your proposal would lose PWE money. If you get a refund this way, you won't spend more money on a ship you want, because you could use the refund to buy it off the exchange or trade.
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  • xlocutusofborgxxlocutusofborgx Member Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I would say limit it to your account, but the token would be only 1 token bound to account, and you get 1 per ship when you unpack it. Now if you want to use the token you would repack it but the box then becomes bound to account, only allowing you to switch it to another character, not resell it on the exchange.. as that would effect a lot of things in game "price" and also cryptic's way of making money.. see I don't just think about the player base :P

    Reason I would really like to see this implemented is that I have 2 characters that have lobi ships on them but I really want to lower my characters on my account to only 2-3 but due to them having the ships I really don't want to lose them strickly for the ships. So I'm forced to grind them till hopefully change comes around where I can take those ships off them and put them to the characters id rather see them on.
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  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Would absolutely love to see this. I have a few lockbox ships going to waste on a few alts. Would love to repack them and send them to my main.
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    Maybe I'd unlock a ship on an existing character, then later make a new character and think to myself "maybe this ship would be better suited over there." :rolleyes:

    And maybe Cryptic would say "Then buy another ship!" while rolling their eyes at the absurdity of anyone being stupid enough to believe they'd respond any other way. :rolleyes:
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    And maybe Cryptic would say "Then buy another ship!" while rolling their eyes at the absurdity of anyone being stupid enough to believe they'd respond any other way. :rolleyes:

    ^^ This, times a million!
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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I agree, there should be a repackaging option that would restrict the ship to the account only. I've had dealings with Cryptic's CS, who were quite rude in their responses when it was clearly their fault (the issue has since been resolved).
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  • betaborgbetaborg Member Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    flash525 wrote: »

    that twist being, upon unboxing a lock box/lobi ship, said character/account gets a single token (for that specific ship) that is bound to said account. This would enable said player to rebox and sell/switch that ship a single time.

    [...]

    How about it?

    Won't happen because Cryptic wants to make money by forcing you to open the boxes yourself in order to get the ship.
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  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Still a great idea that many in the community would be happy to see implemented.

    Still won't happen because it'll mean less money for Cryptic.
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