Hey everyone, I was just thinking about the next movie recently and after listening to the new writers talk about the project and the fat it's being written as we speak, it's lead me to believe that the film might involve the massive elephant in the room from ID, that being the "immortality" blood from Kahn that can seemly heal anything. It would make for an interesting moral dilemma between the "science" of the process and the idea of "should one have the power to control this substance? Should the federation? And how would it be used?"
Anyways, just wondering what other people have theorized about the next movie.
Hey everyone, I was just thinking about the next movie recently and after listening to the new writers talk about the project and the fat it's being written as we speak, it's lead me to believe that the film might involve the massive elephant in the room from ID, that being the "immortality" blood from Kahn that can seemly heal anything. It would make for an interesting moral dilemma between the "science" of the process and the idea of "should one have the power to control this substance? Should the federation? And how would it be used?"
Anyways, just wondering what other people have theorized about the next movie.
That doesnt need to be a factor.
I mean in ST4 they time traveled basically because they felt like it... that wasn't a "big elephant" later on either.
im not even gonna entertain what next they are gonna dredge up from the sewer. jjcrapverse has lost all creditability when the kelvin captain was more concerned with his wife and son then he was with being a captain of his ship before it was destroyed by the nerada, nero himself and the senseless destruction of vulcan, khans qo'nos transporter device from earth and khan turning some arrogant admirals head into smush. finally that stupid augment super blood.
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Well, there are some changes this time around (for Star Trek 13).
1) It's an odd numbered movie. (Oh *****)
2) JJ will no longer be directing this film.
3) Damon Lindelof, one of the staff, will no longer be working on this movie.
With JJ airlocked, who knows what kind of direction the movie will take. Hopefully it adheres closer to TOS, and not another "let's beam across time and space to the frakking Klingon homeword and Section 31 and Khan and tribbles and Mudd and Praxis and Chapel and Captain Sulu and....
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since us trolls have apparently been baited on your hook, guess that answers this silly thread.
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the thread is linked with jjcrap, there are members like myself who hate everything to do with it is like irresistible bait, and then you got those fans of that TRIBBLE who curse us haters for it without professing too much they love it, more perfect bait. look around more, there are threads over the years with these types of certain flame fests. thats what :P
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Anyways, just wondering what other people have theorized about the next movie.
It will have an even worse sense of scale than the last one, but better than the first one.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Wow, didn't expect all the JJ bashing. I wasn't even looking for that, I was seriously wanting to entertain possible story ideas that could spread from the events of ID. Immortality? Major Klingon threat?
Wow, didn't expect all the JJ bashing. I wasn't even looking for that, I was seriously wanting to entertain possible story ideas that could spread from the events of ID. Immortality? Major Klingon threat?
You wont find many friends of JJ on STO. He ruined our prime universe the game is set in by blowing up Romulus. I haven't even seen ID myself lol.
You wont find many friends of JJ on STO. He ruined our prime universe the game is set in by blowing up Romulus. I haven't even seen ID myself lol.
Speak for yourself.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Immortality blood, just like transwarp beaming, time travel at will, and that weird-TRIBBLE planet in Insurrection, wil be completely ignored in the future. Everything will remain at status quo, just like always. And no matter how it's written, who produces, who directs, or whatever changes or remains the same, a bunch of folks here in Ten Forward are going to complain that it's the death of Star Trek.
Just like every change has been since the first movie came out.
Wow, didn't expect all the JJ bashing. I wasn't even looking for that, I was seriously wanting to entertain possible story ideas that could spread from the events of ID. Immortality? Major Klingon threat?
all i can tell you is that you will find these types of battles between nerds/geeks over their preferred choice. most iconic example is star wars vs star trek .
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all i can tell you is that you will find these types of battles between nerds/geeks over their preferred choice. most iconic example is star wars vs star trek .
Oh dear. :P Can't people leave each other's respective fandoms alone, and never intertwine them?
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Immortality blood, just like transwarp beaming, time travel at will, and that weird-TRIBBLE planet in Insurrection, wil be completely ignored in the future. Everything will remain at status quo, just like always. And no matter how it's written, who produces, who directs, or whatever changes or remains the same, a bunch of folks here in Ten Forward are going to complain that it's the death of Star Trek.
Just like every change has been since the first movie came out.
Agreed.
But one quibble; the Ba'ku planet in Insurrection was outright stated to be a finite resource; impossible to get the radiation to benefit the wider universe without destroying the planet's capacity to sustain life. And once Picard blew up the collector, there wasn't even the tech for that.
So at least they gave a REASON for the status quo being maintained. JJcrap doesn't.
You wont find many friends of JJ on STO. He ruined our prime universe the game is set in by blowing up Romulus. I haven't even seen ID myself lol.
I actually kind of like the whole planet-blown-up thing, even if it does seem like some idiot Iconian jumped the gun by 20+ years on that one.
ID is action-packed and a fun movie (with some glaring "come ON" moments and bad acting from Kirk and Love Interest Chick), that has absolutely zero credibility once you start to think about it.
It's got more plot holes than a Dutch dam made of Swiss cheese, Benedict Cumberbatch is an obviously better actor than the rest of the cast put together (and that's saying something, given that Spock, Bones, Uhura, Sulu, and Scotty are all well-acted in their unfairly small parts), and the LENS FLARE is nuts.
Plus there's an explosion every 5 minutes, science and astronomy get thrown out the window, and Kirk for some insane reason does a 1-ship mission to SHOOT TORPEDOES AT QO'NOS. To kill ONE GUY.
Sure, he decides not to because Spock basically says "Dude, seriously? You want the Klingons to be pissed at you now, too?", but he still CONSIDERS it.
SO yeah. Decent if you're drunk, but makes "Sharknado" look good otherwise. Because at least "Sharknado" had a vaguely consistent plot.
The galaxy at large couldn't benefit from the Ba'ku. But are you telling me that the version of Starfleet in that movie wouldn't have at least considered sending some of their more "important" members to that world for a little spa treatment? Instead, it just goes into the bit bucket, never to be mentioned again.
Just like the time travel method used in "Assignment Earth" and ST IV; just like the Guardian of Forever, which was never mentioned again until STO; just like using the transporter and a stored DNA sample to restore a crew member with a lethal disorder; just like half a hundred other little details from half a hundred episodes and movies that, if properly explored, would have changed the entire Trekverse forever.
It's a pretty weaksauce criticism. And the poor astronomy affects almost everything in Trek, from ENT having Qo'noS less than a week from Earth at warp 5, to the stellar naming conventions in TNG, to the idea of Bajor having a class-M moon (I could see an Earthlike moon orbiting a transJovian planet, but for Bajor it would have been a binary planet, not a "moon"), to the idea of asteroids one could live on, to an event horizon with a crack in it, to... well, you get my drift, I'm sure. Let's just say that astrophysical accuracy has never been among the top goals of any Trek writers.
[/QUOTE]Plus there's an explosion every 5 minutes, science and astronomy get thrown out the window, and Kirk for some insane reason does a 1-ship mission to SHOOT TORPEDOES AT QO'NOS. To kill ONE GUY.
Sure, he decides not to because Spock basically says "Dude, seriously? You want the Klingons to be pissed at you now, too?", but he still CONSIDERS it.
SO yeah. Decent if you're drunk, but makes "Sharknado" look good otherwise. Because at least "Sharknado" had a vaguely consistent plot.[/QUOTE]
Well, to be fair, Kirk was motivated by revenge at that point in the film. He would of done anything to avenge Pike's murder. He wasn't thinking rationally, which is realistic. I saw that as a parallel to when prime universe Kirk from ST:VI would let the Klingons die rather than develop peaceful relations with them. He eventually learned that was not the right thing to do. Just like JJKirk realized. However, ST:VI dealt with that whole "revenge" issue better.
Kirk et al discover that the time line they currently inhabit was altered and should not have occured and set about restoring the prime universe timeline by using Boot Camp to install Windows 8 on all the lovely Apple hardware on-board JJverse Enterprise...
Just like the time travel method used in "Assignment Earth" and ST IV; just like the Guardian of Forever, which was never mentioned again until STO; just like using the transporter and a stored DNA sample to restore a crew member with a lethal disorder; just like half a hundred other little details from half a hundred episodes and movies that, if properly explored, would have changed the entire Trekverse forever.
Unusual timing. My non-Trekkie co-worker was noting today that he thought ST woefully under utilizes the transporter concept, then started spouting off idea after idea of how to use it. Some of what he mentioned was found somewhere in one of the series. Others, I could name the book and synopsis that addressed it. ("beam bombs" yeah, see the game transporter in My Enemy, My Ally. "body repair and swapping" yeah, that's in The Price of the Phoenix, etc.) His point was made though. Trek could push the transporter technology even further in useful ideas.
His point was made though. Trek could push the transporter technology even further in useful ideas.
That's the problem with the JJporter. In Star Trek, and especially TNG where the technicalities of it were fleshed out, the transporter was a limited device. It couldn't break physics and beam people anywhere instantaneously, let alone from one moving planet to another moving planet months away by warp speed.
According to the JJporter, there really isn't a need for starships to explore the galaxy. Now you can teleport anywhere, and be home for supper. It's ridonkulous.
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That doesnt need to be a factor.
I mean in ST4 they time traveled basically because they felt like it... that wasn't a "big elephant" later on either.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
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We're not a very cohesive fandom.
Followed by more JJ bashing in Ten Forward.
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1) It's an odd numbered movie. (Oh *****)
2) JJ will no longer be directing this film.
3) Damon Lindelof, one of the staff, will no longer be working on this movie.
With JJ airlocked, who knows what kind of direction the movie will take. Hopefully it adheres closer to TOS, and not another "let's beam across time and space to the frakking Klingon homeword and Section 31 and Khan and tribbles and Mudd and Praxis and Chapel and Captain Sulu and....
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...What? /10char
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the thread is linked with jjcrap, there are members like myself who hate everything to do with it is like irresistible bait, and then you got those fans of that TRIBBLE who curse us haters for it without professing too much they love it, more perfect bait. look around more, there are threads over the years with these types of certain flame fests. thats what :P
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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You wont find many friends of JJ on STO. He ruined our prime universe the game is set in by blowing up Romulus. I haven't even seen ID myself lol.
I personally don't mind that. It opened up a lot of potentially great character storylines (some of which we see in STO).
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Speak for yourself.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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+1
Personally, I like the new Romulan storyline. It gives the Star Empire a reason to restart its Cold War with the Federation.
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Immortality blood, just like transwarp beaming, time travel at will, and that weird-TRIBBLE planet in Insurrection, wil be completely ignored in the future. Everything will remain at status quo, just like always. And no matter how it's written, who produces, who directs, or whatever changes or remains the same, a bunch of folks here in Ten Forward are going to complain that it's the death of Star Trek.
Just like every change has been since the first movie came out.
all i can tell you is that you will find these types of battles between nerds/geeks over their preferred choice. most iconic example is star wars vs star trek .
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Oh dear. :P Can't people leave each other's respective fandoms alone, and never intertwine them?
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hahahaha! but its true though :P
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But one quibble; the Ba'ku planet in Insurrection was outright stated to be a finite resource; impossible to get the radiation to benefit the wider universe without destroying the planet's capacity to sustain life. And once Picard blew up the collector, there wasn't even the tech for that.
So at least they gave a REASON for the status quo being maintained. JJcrap doesn't.
I actually kind of like the whole planet-blown-up thing, even if it does seem like some idiot Iconian jumped the gun by 20+ years on that one.
ID is action-packed and a fun movie (with some glaring "come ON" moments and bad acting from Kirk and Love Interest Chick), that has absolutely zero credibility once you start to think about it.
It's got more plot holes than a Dutch dam made of Swiss cheese, Benedict Cumberbatch is an obviously better actor than the rest of the cast put together (and that's saying something, given that Spock, Bones, Uhura, Sulu, and Scotty are all well-acted in their unfairly small parts), and the LENS FLARE is nuts.
Plus there's an explosion every 5 minutes, science and astronomy get thrown out the window, and Kirk for some insane reason does a 1-ship mission to SHOOT TORPEDOES AT QO'NOS. To kill ONE GUY.
Sure, he decides not to because Spock basically says "Dude, seriously? You want the Klingons to be pissed at you now, too?", but he still CONSIDERS it.
SO yeah. Decent if you're drunk, but makes "Sharknado" look good otherwise. Because at least "Sharknado" had a vaguely consistent plot.
Just like the time travel method used in "Assignment Earth" and ST IV; just like the Guardian of Forever, which was never mentioned again until STO; just like using the transporter and a stored DNA sample to restore a crew member with a lethal disorder; just like half a hundred other little details from half a hundred episodes and movies that, if properly explored, would have changed the entire Trekverse forever.
It's a pretty weaksauce criticism. And the poor astronomy affects almost everything in Trek, from ENT having Qo'noS less than a week from Earth at warp 5, to the stellar naming conventions in TNG, to the idea of Bajor having a class-M moon (I could see an Earthlike moon orbiting a transJovian planet, but for Bajor it would have been a binary planet, not a "moon"), to the idea of asteroids one could live on, to an event horizon with a crack in it, to... well, you get my drift, I'm sure. Let's just say that astrophysical accuracy has never been among the top goals of any Trek writers.
Sure, he decides not to because Spock basically says "Dude, seriously? You want the Klingons to be pissed at you now, too?", but he still CONSIDERS it.
SO yeah. Decent if you're drunk, but makes "Sharknado" look good otherwise. Because at least "Sharknado" had a vaguely consistent plot.[/QUOTE]
Well, to be fair, Kirk was motivated by revenge at that point in the film. He would of done anything to avenge Pike's murder. He wasn't thinking rationally, which is realistic. I saw that as a parallel to when prime universe Kirk from ST:VI would let the Klingons die rather than develop peaceful relations with them. He eventually learned that was not the right thing to do. Just like JJKirk realized. However, ST:VI dealt with that whole "revenge" issue better.
...okay, probably not.
yep, hate just because it ain't the original. Happens with EVERYTHING.
Unusual timing. My non-Trekkie co-worker was noting today that he thought ST woefully under utilizes the transporter concept, then started spouting off idea after idea of how to use it. Some of what he mentioned was found somewhere in one of the series. Others, I could name the book and synopsis that addressed it. ("beam bombs" yeah, see the game transporter in My Enemy, My Ally. "body repair and swapping" yeah, that's in The Price of the Phoenix, etc.) His point was made though. Trek could push the transporter technology even further in useful ideas.
That's the problem with the JJporter. In Star Trek, and especially TNG where the technicalities of it were fleshed out, the transporter was a limited device. It couldn't break physics and beam people anywhere instantaneously, let alone from one moving planet to another moving planet months away by warp speed.
According to the JJporter, there really isn't a need for starships to explore the galaxy. Now you can teleport anywhere, and be home for supper. It's ridonkulous.
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