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No More Iconians?

nobscunobscu Member Posts: 136 Arc User
edited March 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
A lot of the revamped episodes on Tribble for the Borg/Undine arc seemed to have removed any kind if Iconian reference, and there's a few rumors that Cryptic's plan regarding the Iconians changed. Is there anyone that can elaborate? The main story was the primary reason I've kept sticking with the game. It would be a shame if they got removed.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Nope, I'm still here.
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  • rexyfrexyf Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    They'd better not be dropping the Iconians. The Iconian Concept art looks too good to just be dropped.
  • samt296samt296 Member Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You know I've been thinking about this a lot lately... Where are our ****** Iconians Cryptic!!! I want the ultimate baddies already, you've been dangling them in our faces for FOUR frickin' years! :mad:
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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    Nope, I'm still here.

    LOL, had to laugh, nicely done.
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  • genadagenada Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    STO has so many open story lines. I really wish they would start a story and finish one.
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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    skollulfr wrote: »
    the iconians where introduced too early in the story, giving the audience too much foreknowledge their characters shouldnt really have had in context of the rest of the narritive.

    retconning that would be the correct way to maintain continuity in the broader story.

    Cryptic's solution is retconning?

    Ouch. Someone didn't plan this very well up at Cryptic Headquarters.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    stardestroyer001 wrote: »
    Cryptic's solution is retconning?

    Ouch. Someone didn't plan this very well up at Cryptic Headquarters.

    Planning ahead was never Cryptic's strong suit.

    That said, as pointed out in another thread, I noticed in the Undine dev blog they retconned the part where the Iconians supposedly antagonized the Undine into believing the Federation violated the truce Janeway struck with them.

    Now the apparent idea is that the Undine that Janeway struck a truce with was a "small group" of Undine who did not speak for the "larger" undine government, who did not acknowledge a truce with the Federation.

    I'm wondering if Cryptic was given the idea that some players found the 'Man Behind The Man' trope to be a little ridiculous and are retconning in order to make the story of STO a little more diverse.

    Although, I'm not sure where they'd get the idea that the "Iconians are behind everything." being comical from. It's a mystery.
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  • lordfuzunlordfuzun Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Oh no. Iconian referrances aren't being dropped from the remastered Borg/Undine missions. They've tweaks the story line to make a lot more sense. And that's all I'm going to say w/o spoiling anything.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The Iconians are still a big part of the overall story. And they'll get back to them. Remember they pretty much left the Undine in limbo since season 2.
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  • planetearth2371planetearth2371 Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    the iconians and undine are trying to make the powers of both quadrants fight each other. so that they weaken for an invasion. its like the iconians are trying to get the powers to do their dirty work for them. just like the dominion. it does help the star trek story line in the future, it is good that the iconians stay hidden most of the time,
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    i doubt there wont be references to the iconians, directly or indirectly. the Solanae could of provided some details on how to try assimilate an 8472 and how to link that 8472 mind to the collective and get access to the 8472 telepathic link... "by accident" and dropping it in front of the borg knowing they would find it and pick it up. Terradome if its been completely changed because of this Sulu thing. maybe its a way of finding out that these 8472 knew about the iconians from their computers then the retcon comes after this point that some 8472 believed they were manipulated and thought back to the voyager encounter in the training simulation with the 8472 lifeforms impersonating Valerie Archer and Boothby and then realized it doesnt make sense, and the 8472 you attacked were researchers for the main 8472 attack and infiltration but also knew of these 8472 renegades elsewhere. maybe the expansion leads on to finding these renegades? and then discover an iconian plot unfolding in fludic space on the way.
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  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Removing the iconians pretty much screws up the entire season 8 premise.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    Planning ahead was never Cryptic's strong suit.

    That said, as pointed out in another thread, I noticed in the Undine dev blog they retconned the part where the Iconians supposedly antagonized the Undine into believing the Federation violated the truce Janeway struck with them.

    Now the apparent idea is that the Undine that Janeway struck a truce with was a "small group" of Undine who did not speak for the "larger" undine government, who did not acknowledge a truce with the Federation.

    I'm wondering if Cryptic was given the idea that some players found the 'Man Behind The Man' trope to be a little ridiculous and are retconning in order to make the story of STO a little more diverse.

    Although, I'm not sure where they'd get the idea that the "Iconians are behind everything." being comical from. It's a mystery.

    Is this a retcon, or it just vague to avoid spoilers for people that haven't played the respective mission yet?

    I could easily see Cryptic to be vague on some facts in public blogs so that people don't get spoilered. You may get some general information "Iconians are doing stuff", but the details are left out so you have fun learning the full story as you play.
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Hoestly at this point infeel we have been teased with the iconians long enough.
    I like the general concept but at this point only getting hints is getting old.
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  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rylanadionysis wrote: »
    Removing the iconians pretty much screws up the entire season 8 premise.
    If that doesn't create headache's, I don't know.
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  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    Nope, I'm still here.

    On this exact moment, you won the thread.



    Anyway OP. I've got a hunch we'll be seeing more of the Iconians. [SPOILERS BELOW]
    - They still abducted Sela
    - They still have their evil observatory in SoI
    - They sitll did cause the destruction of Romulus
    - They still have the Elachi and Solanae as servant races
    - Aaaand, LC (insert number here): The Final Battle, called Iconians, Solanae, Elachi and Undine as the threads you would be facing. Those four. We know we have Iconians and 2 servant races, but according to that info, the Undine are at least allied with the Iconians.


    So just hang on, we haven't seen the last of the Obex. (aka we didn't blew her up already :))
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,159 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    - Aaaand, LC (insert number here): The Final Battle, called Iconians, Solanae, Elachi and Undine as the threads you would be facing. Those four. We know we have Iconians and 2 servant races, but according to that info, the Undine are at least allied with the Iconians.

    What and where does it state the Undine are allied with the Iconians... if anything... the moment the Undine find the Iconians, I suspect a big hole to be where said Iconian was standing.
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  • woerligenwoerligen Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    iconians wrote: »

    That said, as pointed out in another thread, I noticed in the Undine dev blog they retconned the part where the Iconians supposedly antagonized the Undine into believing the Federation violated the truce Janeway struck with them.

    Now the apparent idea is that the Undine that Janeway struck a truce with was a "small group" of Undine who did not speak for the "larger" undine government, who did not acknowledge a truce with the Federation.

    I'm wondering if Cryptic was given the idea that some players found the 'Man Behind The Man' trope to be a little ridiculous and are retconning in order to make the story of STO a little more diverse.

    Although, I'm not sure where they'd get the idea that the "Iconians are behind everything." being comical from. It's a mystery.

    It's not been retconned. The same idea was already given in Star Trek Online: The Needs of the Many, where the Iconians didn't feature in at all. :cool:

    I can also explain the mystery.... Iconians! :D:cool:
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  • decroniadecronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Irrespective of what I would like to see though, I DO wish that they would, one way or another, stop bigging the Iconians up and then feeding us the smallest of crumbs in the occasional feature episode, whch doesn't involve anything more than X happens and the Iconanis were, AGAIN, lurking in the shadows behind it all. Sorry Cryptic - you are WAY too reliant on this scenario; I actually think that you don't know how to do anything else.

    However, I hold absolutely no hopes of anything pertaining to the Iconians happening since they're simply WAY to useful to Cryptic/PWE and seem to be their only plot element for introducing new content.

    I've seen that breadcrumb feeding in TV series too, especially when they know they have another season paid for in advance. Then they bring it fully in when they go onto a future series and tie off the loose ends.

    However given all the loose endings this game I wouldn't hold any hope of this one being tied off either.
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    Nope, I'm still here.
    D@*!

    JK, where would I be without my daily injection of what's-his-face in your sigline, reminding me not to take anything too seriously... and not to take anything he may have taken, for that matter....
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  • thyrnecristhyrnecris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    But what if the current 'Retcon' (In Universe) was just another Nemes- uh, ICONIAN plot?
    I mean, not saying it was Iconians......
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Um, from what I've heard from tribble, the nature of the methods used by the Iconians to provoke the Undine is the main change. IE, now there is less reason for the Undine to be suspicious of the Iconians.
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    reyan01 wrote: »
    100% agree.

    I really do wish that they would stop with the 'lurking in the shadows manipulating everyone' thing - it's tired and boring. Have them actually show up and DO something. It makes NO sense to 'big them up' as the Big Evil when you're never going to actually have them DO anything.

    My personal preference would be a game-changing event, where the Iconians actually show up - ONCE, briefly, to prove that they don't just muck around manipulating everyone else into doing their dirty work - if the situation demands it, they'll show up - prove just how big a threat they REALLY are and disappear again, leaving everyone licking their wounds, wondering how they were so easily defeated and fearful of when it might happen again.

    Irrespective of what I would like to see though, I DO wish that they would, one way or another, stop bigging the Iconians up and then feeding us the smallest of crumbs in the occasional feature episode, whch doesn't involve anything more than X happens and the Iconanis were, AGAIN, lurking in the shadows behind it all. Sorry Cryptic - you are WAY too reliant on this scenario; I actually think that you don't know how to do anything else.

    However, I hold absolutely no hopes of anything pertaining to the Iconians happening since they're simply WAY to useful to Cryptic/PWE and seem to be their only plot element for introducing new content.

    So essentially another Wolf 359-9/11 like happening in the ST-universe?
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