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Ha'Nom and Dyson are Warbirds, not Science - Nerf plox!!11
suaveks
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The ongoing argument regarding D'deridex and Ha'apax not receiving any Cruiser Commands is that they are not Cruisers, but Warbirds, so they get Singularity Powers instead.
As such I demand other Romulan ships to be brought in line as well. Ha'Nom is a Warbird, so it should not have access to neither Sensor Analysis, nor Subsystem Targeting. Same goes for Dyson Science Destroyer - either make it a Warbird without science powers, or a science ship without Singularity Powers.
Dyson Science Destroyer also shouldn't be able to close the Rifts in Mirror Invasion Event quicker, since D'deridex doesn't repair the Power Relays faster.
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As such I demand other Romulan ships to be brought in line as well. Ha'Nom is a Warbird, so it should not have access to neither Sensor Analysis, nor Subsystem Targeting. Same goes for Dyson Science Destroyer - either make it a Warbird without science powers, or a science ship without Singularity Powers.
Dyson Science Destroyer also shouldn't be able to close the Rifts in Mirror Invasion Event quicker, since D'deridex doesn't repair the Power Relays faster.
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In all seriousness, buff the D'deridex, not nerf the DSD/WB and Ha'noms...
Or so they say, all the people flying their Superior Operative Rommies in their Scimi FAW boats and Fleet Ar'Kifs.
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Agreed. If the D'deridex and ha'apax are not cruisers, then it makes zero sense that the ha'nom have those science abilities and even less sense that the dyson romulan destroyer gets the best of both worlds. Gotta love the slippery slope we keep falling down....
You're probably one of the dudes flying around in an aux to bat scimitar laughing at all of the slow d'deridexes without even 1 hangar slot. You scared that the d'deridex might dethrone your god ship?
FED/KDF did get comm arrays, sec. defector and flanking soon, but we can stack little more crit then they can. It a trade off and i think everybody should be happy (There will always be whiners on both sides who will want everything).
Please whiners dont make this another who has more power threat.
Now, what i have problem is: mirror event, if i am on my sci or eng romulan ship, game doesnt consider me as sci/eng ship and doesnt gives me extra abilities on MI. I had a feeling that it was starship vs. warbird, not escort/science/cruiser/warbird, but the game has other ideas. And there will be more content with ship specific assignment, and cryptic will forget about warbids by not giving them something to do. It feels like "you are not invited to the party at all".
Other thing is, last week i bought hirogen hunter, and on the console clearly says - can be used on any escort, raider. But again i cant use this console on any of my romulan escorts, that really sucks. If you are going to exclude warbids out of this, then find the way to give us something at least by tweaking the console just like warp/sing cores :mad:
And actually I'm one of those few people who spend two weeks turning their D'deridex 180 degree. And it's not even an a2b d'deridex.
It does when you fly the uber Dyson Science err... Destroyer... Warbird... uhh... yeah, you're starting to see my point here?
Not only does my D'deri turn like a cow, but it doesn't even feature any class-specific bonuses. It's true that Rommies are laughably OP at the moment, but when it comes to some standards within a particular ship class I honestly think the D'deridex and the Ha'apax are like the Galaxy of Warbirds.
Still, that doesn't change the fact I find it funny how people still object the idea of these ships receiving Comm Array powers, yet don't mind science powers on Ha'Nom and Dyson uglies.
But I think we all should know by now that Cryptic only cares about ship stats when they need to boost the sales.
Hmm... perhaps I should have created a "What's your beef with the D'deridex Cryptic" thread instead? Maybe then it would have actually get a hangar in two years, or something.
I was just telling my fleetiies, the Rom DSD is the best ship for the new Mirror event, since you can run it in tactical mode without any penalty, and you get the buff to closing rifts too. Nothing else really compares to it (well maybe a Vesta would but I dont have one).
How the ship performs in PVE is like complaining that Weapons in skyrim can be made to be too powerful. having a good ship in pve means NOTHING.
Do i have a romulan dyson? YES, in fact it is my favorite ship however, it having SA and SST doesnt make it all uber. I die once in a while in mirror event and i still cant close rifts if something is shooting at me, i still have to clear the area before i close anything. And OMG i close them a second or too faster than others. SO WHAT. I could see if this ship was super uber in pvp and was pwning the hell out of vets but it doesnt even do that. To kill or even TRY to vape anyone you have to be in tac mode so there goes SA and SST. at that point it is just an escort with great shields and a crappy hull. if you stay is sci mode, sure, you have SA, SST and sing powers....
SA even after the improvement wont be game breaking when combined with sing powers, which really only help you escape btw, and SST is cleared by ET. and btw, usually SST drains, not disables SS..... what worst, if you are trying to get the most out of your dyson, you are using cannons, which means you might not even be able to use SST because it is beam only.... if you ARE using beams, you arent getting good dsp out of the proton cannon.....
Speaking of the proton cannon....
you can really buff it without gimping all the other weapons, you are forced to use it proton cannon, and you automatically have two energy types to deal with.
NO protonic polaron isnt OP, its just ok.
i have tested and used this ship since release. I have tested AP, plasma, rom/plasma, Protonic polaron, and disruptor. i have one the highest burst damage dealing Advanced dysons out there and even then, it isnt good enough in pvp to be called OP. Even with everything it has. In pve, it is simply a good ship, not OP, but in pve, that isnt saying much AT ALL.
FYI, the vesta is STILL a better science ship.....
Please lower your salt levels and calm down. Romulans have two....TWO faction sci ships. Neither is OP, and you want to nerf them both because your crapy giant green space taco turns like a sleepy hut and cant bring the power things online a bit faster.....
-_- really -_-
sure the romulan dyson is the better of the three. I admit that, but fed got the vesta and ALL the other sci ships and if we are going to talk op, let talk about ALL the fed space bar beating A2B biulds out there......
looking at you avenger......
The avenger is by far a deadlier ship compared to the Rom Dyson, even without using A2B!
so is the fleet defiant.
so is the fleet MVAM.
so is the complete escort line up for that matter.
so is every fed ship you can A2B on.
i didnt forget about you KDF.
so is the mogh
so are the BOP's, with their lacking tac consoles. (dont believe this one? get a dyson, fight HOBO in it. I HAVE.)
so is this entire raptor line up.
so is every kdf ship with elite fleet disruptors....
so is every KDF ship that can run A2B.
assimilators.....
and thats just PVP....
you want broken pve ship?
A2B, 50k DPS scimitar.
shall i continue?
there are far more things in game worst/more broke than the rom dyson.
Fun fact: a while ago (before the DSDs were announced) I proposed the Chancellor class as a Klingon science ship.
The resulting ship was essentially a Ha'nom with a regular cloak instead of a battlecloak.
People flamed me for it because it was overpowered.
When I pointed out the stats were the same as the Ha'nom (shields, hull, turnrate) they responded by saying "yeah but the Ha'nom is a Romulan ship, they're meant to be that way!"
So it seems there's something fundamentaly wrong going on here.
--Red Annorax
And after nerfing it, plz nerf it some more.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
As for science and cruiser based vessals, their turn arc is as big as a large moon. Romulans might be able to equip cannons, but their turn rate is so bad its not worth it unless its on a tactical based ship. :P
Or maybe people are just dumb and will look for any opportunity to be contrary, even if it does not make sense, does not affect them, etc.
"Change bad!" is a common trait in the forums. At least when I say "Change bad!" I back it up with reasoning. There are a few others who do as well, but I'm going to go ahead and guess those people aren't the ones who slammed you.
Or how about we just give every ship a hangar that way fresh level 50's can compete with veterans who worked for their ships with hangars in them. Hangar Bays on ships are not infinitely scalable, so we might as well just put a Hangar Bay on every ship now so we won't have to do so when there are 10-20 more ships in the next year or two.
There are people who paid for that and even though Cryptic probably CAN change ships legally, I don't think they would dare to do that.
Yet they won't, for whatever reason. And now we have the even bigger parody than before in the form of Galaxy, which "rebooted" variant Galaxy-X is essentially better in every single aspect aside from Cruiser Commands.
Same goes for the Romulans. They won't nerf anything about them. Even the joke that is the Scimitar. Still, as I've said before, Romulan "cruiser" type Warbirds are in a similar position to FEDs Galaxy, as in they're the weakest of the Warbirds due to their turn rate, and could use some bonus in the form of Cruiser Commands.
Still, I imagine Cryptic is doing this on purpose. They don't care about balance, but about monetization. Geko admitted numerous times that for a ship to sell it's got to be a bit powerful, and that even if they make a ship too powerful, the next one is going to be even more OP. Comments like these made me completely loose any hope about the game's future.
I don't actually expect science warbirds to be nerfed (funny I have to point that out, actually), but this example shows how inconsequential both Cryptic and the playerbase are. It's fine to have a science-oriented Warbird, but it's not fine for another Warbird to get a buff so it'll actually be more Cruiser-like as it should be.
Well, that is the illusion, that every ship should be equally good and that can't even happen and will never happen.
And of course new ships have to be better, why would anyone buy them if they wouldn't? Even if the game wouldn't be f2p, what reason would cryptic then have to even design new ships, if they wouldn't make any money from them?
LoL and other f2p games do the same thing. The new hero, tank, ship, whatever has to be interesting for people or there would be no sense in designing them in the first place.
In the end that is how the world works. In a way you can find those mechanics in most MMOs. The new stuff is better than the old stuff, either to keep player in the game, so they pay their subscription or because the player are supposed to buy the new stuff directly.
Fine. Lets make the rom dyson a normal warp core, 5 weapon (1 being the proton junker) up front, 3 weapons in aft tactical gunboat instead, and while we are at it, give it 7 tac consoles, 0 sci and 3 eng. You can take away cloak and singularity. Officer seats remain the same.
There. Now you have a romulan sci ship that is on par with their other ships (in otherwords, its now a gunboat).
I promise to buy the 3 pack if these changes are made.
I didn't say that.
My character Tsin'xing
But let's continue, cause apparently I've got nothing better to do with my life:
Ha'nom in-game description - http://i.imgur.com/a482VXK.jpg
"Officially a Warbird, technically a Science Vessel"
D'deridex in-game description - http://i.imgur.com/EetV2im.jpg
"firepower comparable to a Federation Galaxy-class". Well that would explain why it sucks so much...
Also, if it's "technically" a cruiser, then why doesn't it have Cruiser Commands again? I know it's a Warbird, but that didn't stop Ha'nom from getting science powers...
Least Cryptic could do is buff D'deridex and Ha'apax turn rate a bit, so it wouldn't take ages for them to turn 180 degree... I've even removed Polarize Hull from my build, because I thought I don't really need no Hold counter, as I barely turn anyway...
But apparently it's ok for the Scimitar to have a base turn-rate of 7, even though the ship is even bigger.