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Lockbox ships that would actually make sense as lockbox ships.

centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
With the possibility that we may be getting pilot-able Undine ships, in order to help get over this nonsense, I decided to make this thread listing all the ships that would make much better choices.


1. Baran's Mercenary Vessel

Why would it be a good Lockbox ship?
Have you looked at this thing? This ship is a nasty, wicked looking customer, a perfect match for a Klingon or Romulan looking to wreck some massive face. It would fit so well, I'm really surprised it isn't one yet.

How canon is it?
Very. At least one Romulan commanded one for a short period of time, it wouldn't look out of place against a Klingon fleet, and at least two undercover Starfleet officers have served on one at the same time!

2. The Maquis Raider.

Why would it be a good Lockbox ship?
While not as epic as some of the other ships, it's still a rather cool looking vessel, and would make a nice small escort.

How canon is it?
Medium. It was a federation design to begin with, and it's old enough that a few of them may have been passed around.

3. The Whorfin Class.


Why would it be a good Lockbox ship?
Even though the movie it came from sucked, it is a nice design, and it was also the first 100% computer generated ship in Star Trek. Not to mention El-Aurians are rather underrepresented.

How canon is it?
Medium-Low. It's unlikely that the various factions would appropriate fairly weak civilian transports, but then again, El-Aurians do travel a lot...

4. The Eymorg starship

Why would it be a good Lockbox ship?
Dumb episode, but cool ship! The Eymorg starship was one of the most radical changes when the remastered editions came out. So the Dev's could pick which (or even do both!) version(s) of the ship they wanted to do, and even then, they could have a lot of fun with the design if they so chose. Besides, it would be nice to have a TOS themed lockbox for once! (Yes, I would rather fly the ship from "Spocks Brain" than a space squid)

How canon is it?
Low. But still more canon than flying space squids.

5. Balok's pilot vessel

Why would it be a good Lockbox ship?
Similar to the above, but from a much better episode, we have Balok's vessel from "The Corbomite Maneuver". It's just so weird and alien. This game is in need of more variety, and this certainly provides.

How canon is it?
Low-Medium. The First Federation has had a trade agreement with the various members of the Alpha Quadrant for at least 300 years. It is possible ships have been involved.

6. The Tarellian starship

Why would it be a good Lockbox ship?
It's one of the coolest looking ships, so much so it was one of the favorite designs of Andrew Probert. It's a really alien ship, and nothing has looked quite like it before or since. It was also one of the few designs to be assisted by Gene Roddenberry himself.

How canon is it?
Very, very unlikely. As of the episode "Haven" there was only one left. It's not mentioned what happened to the Tarellian's afterward, so it's entirely possible that the plague was cured, and they were free to duplicate their ships. It's also possible they all died and people stole the plans and duplicated the ships.

Either way, both of those scenarios are much more likely than flying undine space squids.



That's all I can think of right now. I'm sure there's more, but I don't feel like visiting Ex Astris Scientia. :o
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  • hawke89305092hawke89305092 Member Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Your comments about flying space squids give me the strangest feeling that one day we'll see a "Farpoint Lockbox" with a giant jellyfish starship as the main prize...
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  • tyranthraxisiityranthraxisii Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Your comments about flying space squids give me the strangest feeling that one day we'll see a "Farpoint Lockbox" with a giant jellyfish starship as the main prize...

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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I agree with all of this. Except that I'd think the Maquis Raider would instead be, well, a Raider.
  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I think there would be more prominent options. Like the Cardassian Keldon and Hideki class. The Hideki could be an escort and the grant prize, the Keldon class the heavy cruiser for the lobi store. I'm sure they would find a Cardassian shuttle somewhere in the series to complete the set.
  • notorycznynotoryczny Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Dayuum, each one of this ideas is better than stuff Cryptic has came up with lately.

    Not joking.

    Since we are getting bioships in s9, I smell Borg spheres in s10 lockbox. After all, not much power creep possible after riding a planet killer, right?
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  • johnstewardjohnsteward Member Posts: 1,073 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Not saying i dont like the idea but you're missing the main point about lock box ships:
    They should be (from a cryptics point of view) if possible ships that are already there so they can just put stats on it and be done with the whole thing.

    Or do you really expect them to put extra work into their most lucrative selling scheme?
  • xiaoping88xiaoping88 Member Posts: 1,493 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Not saying i dont like the idea but you're missing the main point about lock box ships:
    They should be (from a cryptics point of view) if possible ships that are already there so they can just put stats on it and be done with the whole thing.

    Or do you really expect them to put extra work into their most lucrative selling scheme?

    They did it in the beginning.
    Ferengi Marauder and Galor Class were remade from scretch for the lock box, and the Time Ships were entirely new - if I recall correctly.

    Since then, it's just ships of the next themed enemy...
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Not saying i dont like the idea but you're missing the main point about lock box ships:
    They should be (from a cryptics point of view) if possible ships that are already there so they can just put stats on it and be done with the whole thing.

    Or do you really expect them to put extra work into their most lucrative selling scheme?
    xiaoping88 wrote: »
    They did it in the beginning.
    Ferengi Marauder and Galor Class were remade from scretch for the lock box, and the Time Ships were entirely new - if I recall correctly.

    Since then, it's just ships of the next themed enemy...

    Jem'Hadar Carrier was also new, all the borgified romulan ships, some of the elachi vessels, all the voth ships, as well as every shuttle.
  • kolbrandrkolbrandr Member Posts: 266
    edited March 2014
    They have stated that the modelling and detail on player ships have to be much higher than that of the NPC ships.
  • xiaoping88xiaoping88 Member Posts: 1,493 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Jem'Hadar Carrier was also new, all the borgified romulan ships, some of the elachi vessels, all the voth ships, as well as every shuttle.

    How were the Voth and Elachi ships new? They are the paragons of "new enemy ships made into lock box ships"... :confused:
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    xiaoping88 wrote: »
    How were the Voth and Elachi ships new? They are the paragons of "new enemy ships made into lock box ships"... :confused:

    You can compare them in the foundry. The player ships look very different from the NPC versions. They also behave very differently too.
  • xiaoping88xiaoping88 Member Posts: 1,493 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You can compare them in the foundry. The player ships look very different from the NPC versions. They also behave very differently too.

    They are player ships. Of course they behave how the player wants them to behave. :D

    But I didn't realize they look any different from their NPC counterparts!
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  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    With the exception of Baran's ship which i quite like, i think the rest are pretty awful choices.

    but thats the thing about aesthetics. everyone has a different opinion of what they like, so i cant see how any of these are better or worse. they are just different that some will love and some will hate.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I think these ships look interesting enough to warrant addition to the game, be it lockbox, lobi, Zen, Dilitihium or for free. I would not be interested in all of them for myself, but it would be nice seeing them in game. Heck, even as NPC addition.
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  • wazzagiowwazzagiow Member Posts: 769 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You could throw Borg type 03 in a box..... And only that one. Which would been lore's ship in decent. So not really a Borg ship.
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Personally I'd LOVE a marquis raider. Always wanted one.
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  • wazzagiowwazzagiow Member Posts: 769 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    Personally I'd LOVE a marquis raider. Always wanted one.

    the problem most will face is a marquis raider would be a shuttle in this game. although I could see it as a smaller reward in a box or the lobi store it wouldn't make any sense as a $tar $hip.
  • tyranthraxisiityranthraxisii Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    xiaoping88 wrote: »
    How were the Voth and Elachi ships new? They are the paragons of "new enemy ships made into lock box ships"... :confused:

    Because they had to put the work into making them for the expansion anyways. As they may do with Undine ships. I personally don't care what ships they do in lockboxes though, I haven't opened them since they came out, and I will continue to not open them, and all they do is allow my "regular" ship to be more unique.
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    With the possibility that we may be getting pilot-able Undine ships, in order to help get over this nonsense, I decided to make this thread listing all the ships that would make much better choices.


    1. Baran's Mercenary Vessel

    Why would it be a good Lockbox ship?
    Have you looked at this thing? This ship is a nasty, wicked looking customer, a perfect match for a Klingon or Romulan looking to wreck some massive face. It would fit so well, I'm really surprised it isn't one yet.

    How canon is it?
    Very. At least one Romulan commanded one for a short period of time, it wouldn't look out of place against a Klingon fleet, and at least two undercover Starfleet officers have served on one at the same time!

    fair enough...
    2. The Maquis Raider.

    Why would it be a good Lockbox ship?
    While not as epic as some of the other ships, it's still a rather cool looking vessel, and would make a nice small escort.

    How canon is it?
    Medium. It was a federation design to begin with, and it's old enough that a few of them may have been passed around.

    Thats a federation ship. And more of a shuttle then a t5 escort. Although: its awesome.
    3. The Whorfin Class.


    Why would it be a good Lockbox ship?
    Even though the movie it came from sucked, it is a nice design, and it was also the first 100% computer generated ship in Star Trek. Not to mention El-Aurians are rather underrepresented.

    How canon is it?
    Medium-Low. It's unlikely that the various factions would appropriate fairly weak civilian transports, but then again, El-Aurians do travel a lot...

    4. The Eymorg starship

    Why would it be a good Lockbox ship?
    Dumb episode, but cool ship! The Eymorg starship was one of the most radical changes when the remastered editions came out. So the Dev's could pick which (or even do both!) version(s) of the ship they wanted to do, and even then, they could have a lot of fun with the design if they so chose. Besides, it would be nice to have a TOS themed lockbox for once! (Yes, I would rather fly the ship from "Spocks Brain" than a space squid)

    How canon is it?
    Low. But still more canon than flying space squids.


    5. Balok's pilot vessel

    Why would it be a good Lockbox ship?
    Similar to the above, but from a much better episode, we have Balok's vessel from "The Corbomite Maneuver". It's just so weird and alien. This game is in need of more variety, and this certainly provides.

    How canon is it?
    Low-Medium. The First Federation has had a trade agreement with the various members of the Alpha Quadrant for at least 300 years. It is possible ships have been involved.

    6. The Tarellian starship

    Doubt that lockboxes would sell...
    Why would it be a good Lockbox ship?
    It's one of the coolest looking ships, so much so it was one of the favorite designs of Andrew Probert. It's a really alien ship, and nothing has looked quite like it before or since. It was also one of the few designs to be assisted by Gene Roddenberry himself.

    How canon is it?
    Very, very unlikely. As of the episode "Haven" there was only one left. It's not mentioned what happened to the Tarellian's afterward, so it's entirely possible that the plague was cured, and they were free to duplicate their ships. It's also possible they all died and people stole the plans and duplicated the ships.

    Looks kind of like a Vulcan design to me^^
  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Maqui Raider: Federation Carrier Frigate.....FTW!!! :D
  • colson15colson15 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I love these ideas. That Raider is sweet, too.
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    scififan78 wrote: »
    Maqui Raider: Federation Carrier Frigate.....FTW!!! :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs
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  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    A Lockbox Ship that makes sense being in the next Lockbox? Well, let's see here...

    I can fit dozens of stacks of 20 boxes in even my smallest ship's holds, so the boxes can't be that big so...

    To make sense, the next Lockbox Ship should be about the size of a small child.

    Of course, having small children (and working with them) I wouldn't discount thier ability to take on most of the ships in the game today...
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  • risingstar2009risingstar2009 Member Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I would like to see Baran's Merc Vessel, complete with Sensor Scatter Coating, as a Lock Box ship.

    It was an awesome design in TNG: the Gambit (not the Marvel Character).

    For the others, meh.
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  • admrenlarreckadmrenlarreck Member Posts: 2,041 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I would like to see this one, not in a lockbox, but maybe dil or ec or even fleet.

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Raven_type
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I would like to see this one, not in a lockbox, but maybe dil or ec or even fleet.

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Raven_type

    I don't really see that one being used by anyone other than the federation. Would be a cool ship to add though.
  • jabberwalkie09jabberwalkie09 Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I would like to see this one, not in a lockbox, but maybe dil or ec or even fleet.

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Raven_type

    IMO, this would be good to add for traffic around starbases and other outposts... Don't really see it being player controlled.
  • doalxkdoalxk Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    What about the Tin Man ship, Gomtuu?
  • macfellymacfelly Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I'd like to see them step away from non-starfleet/klingon boxes maybe a vulcan or andorian, gorn or orion. There's too many non starfleet ships running around currently, the whole oh we captured it and use it now theme is silly.
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  • galanis2814galanis2814 Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Easy justification for the Maquis raiders, with reintegration of the surviving Maquis cells in the badlands, Starfleet revisited the tactical viability of the raider, after all the Maquis conducted a very successful insurrection and had the Cardassians up against the wall until they joined the Dominion. Even though the ships were hastily refitted civilian models, by and large, they proved exceptionally effective at hit and run attacks against a numerically superior foe.

    Starfleet would be foolish to ignore the proven potential of such a design were it to be updated. Maybe get the Catians in on the project to retool the Maquis raiders so that they could be launched from their Atrox carriers, even.
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